Mossberg Shotguns

[MORIMOTOM]

Rat - get a life. encouraging me to start something on an internet forum shows that you have no life and troll on blade forums in some attempt to make yourself feel better. I pity the fool that gets off to knocking people on a "knife forum" of all places....

he said......

but i digress, i prefer the 870, although i have seen them malfunction/break on the range, it is far less in frequency than other shotguns, including benellis, mossbergs, ithacas.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

No I wasnt fantasizing about anything. What is it with you and your tag team boy Rat? "obsessed" "fantasizing"???? You and Rat's words. Once again, I am correct. You just dont like to admit that it is fact that the only thing that will allow one to have a chance against a FA weapon is a shotgun. But rather than do the noble thing and contribute to the thread, you and Rat wanna start crap and blow things out of proportion.

i wouldn't say the only thing, but a shotgun definitely levels the playing field a bit, that is if you dont have a full auto weapon as well.

i dont mean to attack you in any way, but i am having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that you anticipate bad guys with sub guns or such entering your home. not that i am against being prepared, but even as a cop with a bunch of guns in and around my home, i hadnt really considered that scenario. in the field, yes.

are you thinking along the lines of a home invasion type robbery?

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

No I wasnt fantasizing about anything. What is it with you and your tag team boy Rat? "obsessed" "fantasizing"????

Auto-trepanation might make the mocking voices in your head stop tormenting you. . . .

Once again, I am correct. You just dont like to admit that it is fact that the only thing that will allow one to have a chance against a FA weapon is a shotgun. But rather than do the noble thing and contribute to the thread, you and Rat wanna start crap and blow things out of proportion.

Hmmmmm, the last time ninjas attacked me with automatic weapons, I just hid on the other side of the bed (I'd shitcanned the box-spring and replaced it with sandbags) and deployed the claymores.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

hey tyr, how exactly did you deploy the claymores from behind the sandbags?

are they already strategically placed? or do you pull the pins and throw them? just wondering........

cause my ninja defenses are a bit dusty and need some refurbish.

 

[culpritish]

I own a Mossberg 590 and recently bought an old beater 500 off a buddy. The 590 I bought new in 1987, and only had two problems occur; once a small spring went cattywampus in the trigger group about two years after I got it, and another time I had around jam in the chamber. Cheap Eastern European shotshells with minimal rims was the problem there,not the gun itself. Other than that, they are both stalwart workhorses that get the job done. About the only concerns I have with the Mossies is all the little parts that ya haveta' keep up against the insides of the reciever when you re-assemble it, and the plastic trigger guard on the newer models.

 

[reconseed]

Mori, if you are familar with MS-13 then you know exactly what I am talking about.

So let me get this straight...

I should expect someone to break into my apartment b/c that happens right? I mean after all, home defense is on the minds of thousands of Americans, right? So expecting that is OK???? But expecting or being ready for the fact that a criminal might have a FA weapon is grounds for being called a mall ninja, and I shouldnt think that any intruder should have a FA weapon?

Bottom line is this, I get stigmatized for mentioning something that can and does happen. (home invasions happen everywhere. criminals do obtain FA firearms, despite what Rat and his cohorts want to think)

Oh yea and Mori. What difference does it make? Armed robbery? Home invasion? Who cares. Either way, someone is illegally and forcefully entering my living quarters, right? But maybe i should ask them what they want before shooting, maybe that wouldnt warrant "mall ninja" from Rat Finkenstein.

 

[reconseed]

I own a Mossberg 590 and recently bought an old beater 500 off a buddy. The 590 I bought new in 1987, and only had two problems occur; once a small spring went cattywampus in the trigger group about two years after I got it, and another time I had around jam in the chamber. Cheap Eastern European shotshells with minimal rims was the problem there,not the gun itself. Other than that, they are both stalwart workhorses that get the job done. About the only concerns I have with the Mossies is all the little parts that ya haveta' keep up against the insides of the reciever when you re-assemble it, and the plastic trigger guard on the newer models.

Bowie, thats my only problem with the new Mossbergs from what I can tell, the plastic trigger guards and aluminum receiver.

 

[Kohai999]

Bowie, thats my only problem with the new Mossbergs from what I can tell, the plastic trigger guards and aluminum receiver.

They have always had a plastic trigger housing, and it works just fine.

The aluminum reciever is not an issue.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Mori, if you are familar with MS-13 then you know exactly what I am talking about.

So let me get this straight...

I should expect someone to break into my apartment b/c that happens right? I mean after all, home defense is on the minds of thousands of Americans, right? So expecting that is OK???? But expecting or being ready for the fact that a criminal might have a FA weapon is grounds for being called a mall ninja, and I shouldnt think that any intruder should have a FA weapon?

Bottom line is this, I get stigmatized for mentioning something that can and does happen. (home invasions happen everywhere. criminals do obtain FA firearms, despite what Rat and his cohorts want to think)

Oh yea and Mori. What difference does it make? Armed robbery? Home invasion? Who cares. Either way, someone is illegally and forcefully entering my living quarters, right? But maybe i should ask them what they want before shooting, maybe that wouldnt warrant "mall ninja" from Rat Finkenstein.

dude, i wasnt attacking you, just trying to understand where you are coming from. you brought up full auto, so i just wanted to clarify your reasoning.

home invasion is armed robbery.

 

[reconseed]

Mori, no offense taken. I have just been taking heat from Rat and his buddies because they seem to disagree with me on a few things.

Home invasion is not always armed robbery. Armed robbery would be commencing if the perp. is armed. However, sometimes, individuals who break-in to a home are not armed. I know this because our home was broken into years back while I was in high school. They caught the individual at the bottom of our long driveway after the police were called. But I am like you, if someone breaks into my house, i am assuming they are armed.

Also, someone could be breaking into your house without the intention on taking anything and just vandalizing your home or backed with a personal vendetta against you or anyone living with you...

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Mori, no offense taken. I have just been taking heat from Rat and his buddies because they seem to disagree with me on a few things.

Home invasion is not always armed robbery. Armed robbery would be commencing if the perp. is armed. However, sometimes, individuals who break-in to a home are not armed. I know this because our home was broken into years back while I was in high school. They caught the individual at the bottom of our long driveway after the police were called. But I am like you, if someone breaks into my house, i am assuming they are armed.

Also, someone could be breaking into your house without the intention on taking anything and just vandalizing your home or backed with a personal vendetta against you or anyone living with you...

home invasion, at least in ca, is committed with the intention of robbery.
burglary would be with the intention of taking property or vandalizing.

i was a little unclear, robbery is robbery in ca, whether armed or not. "the unlawful taking of the property of another by force or fear."

if a weapon is used, the punishment is often harsher.

 

[reconseed]

Wow, thats interesting Mori. I received my bachelors in CJ last December (cant believe its been a year!) and here in Tennessee, the TCA code defines robbery as the same as what you state, "the unlawful taking of the property of another by force or fear," however, knowing someone's intent when they enter your house can be skeptical at times... I am always under the impression that IF someone were to break in, that they intended on stealing but such is not always the case. Burglary as defined by the TCA code here is when someone breaks in and steals something. If they are armed, and dont confront anyone while in the commission of their crime, i am not sure how that is defined. But you are right, robbery can be committed without being armed.

We studied a case in CA i believe, if memory serves me correctly, of a man who confronted 2 kids and told them he was going to beat them up if they didnt give him their pizza. They gave in and ran away. He was unarmed, and as he sat there eating, he was soon arrested for robbery.



Edit* It just dawned on me that I pretty much said the same thing you did... I think we just misunderstood one another at first. Oh well.

 

[Sid Post]

This thread is wandering around. If you are being attacked with Full-Auto weapons in an apartment, it most likely isn't going to be a home invasion by criminals. If a SWAT team is trying to arrest you and you use a shotgun on them, I doubt your #00 Buck will penetrate their body armor. Their Full-Auto's will kill you in your pajama's. But, I digress because we aren't giving the SWAT team a reason to do a "no knock warrant" are we?

Urban legend with the sound of "jacking" the slide on a pump action shotgun. A sane and rational person would probably recognize that sound and stop but, someone robbing you or intent on doing some other harm isn't sane and rational.

Shotguns are great DEFENSIVE firearms for most casual shooters. They make a very good DEFENSIVE firearm when you take a barricade position in your bedroom and have a good field of fire down a hallway, across your bedroom, whatever. You diall 911 on your cell phone and repel attacks only if the bad tries to do you harm. You avoid legal issues and stress after the fact because you didn't escalate the situation into deadly force when deadly force wasn't required. If the bad guy continues down the hallway and continues the attack, then you can shoot from a very strong defensive position. As you can tell, if some idiot wants a 12 year old VCR and a 7 year old TV from my house, they can have it and I will get on with my life. On the other hand, if they are there to kill me, I reserve the right to defend my life or flee. Yes, flee. I have no blood lust even if the criminal "is in my castle".

Pistols are convenient and have their place. People who don't spend time around firearms are buying pistols because that is what they see everyone else buying and it is what they see on TV. They aren't buying the best and cheapest DEFENSIVE firearm. Pistols are handy if you must fight in area's of limited space, my bedroom doesn't fit my definition of limited space. A car is limited space when you must fight from the driver's seat with a seat belt on.

When you use a firearm in a defenive role, you really need to take that firearm to an appropriate range and shoot your "good" and expensive ammunition to ensure you know how it will perform. A lot of people rely on urban legends and not personal experience to define what is "best". Personally, I find birdshot to be a false sense of security but I have also shot it at representive targets to see what it does. Do I really need #00 Buck? In situations where I don't expect the criminal to be wearing heavy winter clothing #4 Buck is the smallest I will go for pattern density and coverage but, I do go larger in winter time.

 

[reconseed]

Good post Sid. However, I dont engage in behavior that would warrant a SWAT team ever coming to my house. And if the police come to my residence to ask me something I will gladly let them in. But I see your point. But you are right. The BEST thing to do is to call police when you are aware of someone trying to break in your house. Then if you have your weapon ready for something, its just a matter of time before the police arrive and then the intruder has two problems on his hands. But with the response time of "east tennessee's finest" I would have to make sure I opted the police enough time to leave the BP gas station's VIP lounge in order they have enough time to travel a few miles down the road to my house.

 

[Suerte]

Yeah, it does. It says that the military gave to the contract to the lowest bidder. It doesn't mean they got the best, only the cheapest. :thumbdn:

I hunted with a Mossberg 590 for one season. It was the single worst shotgun I have ever used. It constantly jammed at the just the wrong moment and was very difficult to field strip when the weather was cold. The foregrip was constantly coming loose and the firing pin busted on more than one occassion. I shouldn't have to buy 3 firing pins in one hunting season.

I got rid of it (destroyed it). I then got a Rem 870 and I never looked back.

I had a 590A1. Shot thousands of rounds through without a jam. I traded up to an 870 Police Magnum. No jamming problems with the Remington either, but I didn't like how it loaded or the location of the slide release. Yeah, it was tighter and rattled less. But I just didn't care for it and the pump action was very stiff, even after a 100s of shells. One of the most regretted firearms trade that I ever made. Mossberg is a very simple, straight foward firearm to field strip as well.

 

[Suerte]

First of all, the Mossberg that got the contract was the 590-A1, not the standard model.

I'm pretty sure that Mossberg 590s and 500s are in service. Their website actually mentions "the Persuaders are virtual duplicates of the proven Mossberg® military 500® and 590® models -- the only pump-action shotguns ever to pass all stringent U. S. Military Mil-Spec 3443 standards."

 

[reconseed]

I am like you Suerte, I was looking on the Mossberg site and came to the same conclusion. I am also pretty sure that the Detroit Police Department use Mossberg shotguns. At least they did in Narc

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

hey tyr, how exactly did you deploy the claymores from behind the sandbags?

are they already strategically placed? or do you pull the pins and throw them? just wondering........

cause my ninja defenses are a bit dusty and need some refurbish.

Actually, it was only one Claymore (those things are expensive on the black market!) already embedded in the sandbags to absorb the backblast, with the wire running under the mattress to the clicker on the other side. After which, I grabbed my Striker 12 (loaded with flechettes, bolos, and exploding slugs) to finish off the ninja "invaders," but was pleased to see that the Claymore did its job quite well . . . of course, I did lose my security deposit.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Wow, thats interesting Mori. I received my bachelors in CJ last December (cant believe its been a year!) and here in Tennessee, the TCA code defines robbery as the same as what you state, "the unlawful taking of the property of another by force or fear," however, knowing someone's intent when they enter your house can be skeptical at times... I am always under the impression that IF someone were to break in, that they intended on stealing but such is not always the case. Burglary as defined by the TCA code here is when someone breaks in and steals something. If they are armed, and dont confront anyone while in the commission of their crime, i am not sure how that is defined. But you are right, robbery can be committed without being armed.

We studied a case in CA i believe, if memory serves me correctly, of a man who confronted 2 kids and told them he was going to beat them up if they didnt give him their pizza. They gave in and ran away. He was unarmed, and as he sat there eating, he was soon arrested for robbery.



Edit* It just dawned on me that I pretty much said the same thing you did... I think we just misunderstood one another at first. Oh well.

burglary in ca is "entering a structure to commit grand theft, petty theft, or any other felony". so vandalism could fall under this section, if it was inside a residence. in this case i usually try to book under burglary and ad-charge the vandalism.

and the pizza thing, if the victims were in fear for their lives or safety, suspect is good to go for robbery.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Actually, it was only one Claymore (those things are expensive on the black market!) already embedded in the sandbags to absorb the backblast, with the wire running under the mattress to the clicker on the other side. After which, I grabbed my Striker 12 (loaded with flechettes, bolos, and exploding slugs) to finish off the ninja "invaders," but was pleased to see that the Claymore did its job quite well . . . of course, I did lose my security deposit.

only one claymore? what if there is a team of ninjas? they are known to attack in waves.