Most knife unfriendly places?

Restricting firearms to possession/carry only by licensed individuals is no different from allowing the State to choose not to allow any citizens to carry or possess firearms at all. Just because it hasn't happend just means that it hasn't happened yet; sooner or later it will - look at California.

The law should concentrate on punishing those people who act innapropriately, not on some complicated system of permissions based on everchanging criteria. Criteria such as that are always circumventable, and end up only being obeyed by those who would not cause problems in the first place. IOW they become expensive and useless.

Spend the money used to implement firearms registration/licensing/other crappy social-engineering make-work project on LEOs to get out on the street and catch evil-doers instead. The effect will be more immediate, it's proven that police presence prevents crime. If the police are kept in line by a strict reading of the Constitution and by good pay, excellent training, then the dangers of a police state fade away.

The other benefits come from a population that is brought up to believe that each individual is responsible for himself and for his neighbours, and that the police are there to assist in this, not to achieve it. Security cannot be provided by a State that respects the rights of individuals, rather it must be sought after by each individual. The State would provide much more security by spending resources on maintaining a society that has an active interest in maintaining their own security rather than spending resources trying to create huge databases such as the TIA project.

Use the courts to enforce a certain level of civility so that training with firearms, while not required by statute, becomes extremely desirable (a factor in civil/criminal trials, etc) and you get a higher level of training for "free".

All this nonsense about trying to keep tabs on every single person who ever breathed in the US would disappear, and such stupidity as worrying about nail files on a frigging air liner wouldn't even be on the radar.

Pierre
 
Originally posted by lesoleilnoir
If you guys plan on visiting Washington D.C. any time soon....

Yes we have many wonderful sights and free museums, and yes they are now all equiped with metal detectors, so leave your knife in the car.

I found out the hard way, when my Spydie Native, that the lady said she would "keep an eye on" was nowhere to be found an hour later. :grumpy:
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When my high school senior class took our trip to Washington D.C. in 1997, we also had to go through the metal detectors. I took all three of my EDCs out and laid them in the guard's pan about a dozen times that week. There was never a problem, at least then. Keep in mind, we were a whole bus full of kids who grew up on farms in the rural midwest. After the first 10 boys took out their pocket knives for the guard(s), he kinda knew what was going on. "Man! Everbody's got a knife in this group!" he said. He was right. ;)
 
Knifes are restricted on so many places in the us and they do control this?

So aswell courthouses, yes, i don´t know how to translate, but on the first level of court, they usualy do not control, so i carry knifes even there. Controlling starts on higher levels of courts. Oficially no go on oficial events. But nobody cares. Even though knifes belng to traditional eqiupment (bavaria f.e.) so, if you don´t harm anyone, who cares?!

I would get wild of this spying in my pockets so much. Even i supermarkets, when asked if they may take a look in a carrybag, i say no. I say: "if You believe i´m a thief, call the police." Nobody wants to look seriously.

Sometimes, on more private events there are some "doorkeepers" who try to control if somebody carries weapons. They don´t find it..hahaha.

Once i´ve shown my knife clearly, saying:"here, i have a knife, what´s to do with it?" They get so confused, they forget to control me, no touch. Notice: These were unprofs, not police, but it was fun at all!
 
Good Evening All-

Originally posted by brownie0486
..."Yes, each terrorist attack will/should bring heavier restriction on movement and freedoms once enjoyed when the world environment was not as hostile. What most Americans don't realize is that our country is very young relative our worldly neighbors and it will take events here similiar to what they have experienced over centuries to bring us closer to the rest of the worlds conception of what is necessary for the good of the masses"...Brownie
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Brownie0486, I see where you are going from an intellectual/academic standpoint, but I don't believe your theories will pass scrutiny in the real world. It looks like Benjamin Liu, Chief_Wiggum, Rubber Ducky, The Possum, and Brownshoe (even though I didn't like his/her rant against the (paraphrased) "unelected President Bush...") are heading down a path more palatable to patriotic Americans.

Knives and common sidearms are merely "peashooters" in the big picture. The fashionable rule of "no knives" being established by companies and property owners only serves to annoy and inconvenience law-abiding people. Worse yet, no provisions are being made to protect the property of innocent customers, visitors, and vendors while REAL criminals and terrorists can continue their evil ways.

For example, let's say theater-owners begin this hypothetical tactic:

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Theater: "Mr./Ms. Customer, you are not permitted to bring that digital camera into the theater."

Customer: "Why not? It is a common digital camera. We're tourists, but I know it is rude behavior to take pictures during performances. No problem, we'll promise to keep it turned-off."

Theater: "Sorry. Homeland Security reasons. It's not that simple. It could contain an explosive device or poison gas canister."

Customer: "Are you crazy? Here, let me turn it on and take a sample picture. There are thousands and thousands of these cameras on the streets right now."

Theater: "Sorry. We don't allow any cameras anyway. It could be used to compromise future physical security if images are taken of the theater. Besides, the flash bothers the performers. You'll have to store it elsewhere or relinquish possession. You can't bring it in the building and we won't be responsible for it. It will be destroyed as as a potential terrorist weapon."

Customer: "Potential terrorist weapon!? You've lost your marbles! We took a four-hour train ride to get here. My husband and I are here in town to see the afternoon show and go home after dinner. We don't have a place to store this $350 camera and the performance is starting in less than 20 minutes anyway..."

Theater: "Cameras used to be fairly-common among tourists, but we have public safety to consider. If our actions prevent one camera-bomb or one poison-camera from hurting someone, it's worth it...especially for the children."

Customer: "Well, considering our theater tickets, train passes, tolls, and parking cost us more than $350, we'll surrender our property. We're very mad and this is a lousy way to treat customers. I'm a pharmaceutical sales representative and my husband is a marketing executive, we are not terrorists. This is absurd. We'll never set foot in this city again after today."

Theater: "The rules are the rules. Next person to be frisked, please. Remove your shoes, socks, and belt."

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This is EXACTLY what is happening with knives! Nobody is made safer because they are being taken from normal people with normal lives and normal intentions. Parks, tourist attractions, nightclubs, hotels, and theaters are not even providing lockers for temporary storage of legal personal property while you are visiting their premises....which is a crappy compromise in my opinion.

How do we reconcile the damage and costs against day-to-day living?

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Good Morning All-

P.S., BLOP, welcome to BladeForums!

Just returned from a visit to Austria and Germany a few months ago. Didn't encounter any anti-knife attention while sightseeing in your country...this appears to be somewhat of a phenomenon to the United States.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
I love living in Smalltown, Michigan. The local bartender feels safer if I'm carrying my gun (she asks if I will walk her to her car with the nights deposit). Neither my daughters school, the local P.D. or the Sheriffs Dept (including booking) mind my Emerson SOCFK, and the courthouse tags it and safely returns it to me everytime. Small town America, you can't beat it. :D
 
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Shoup, you've identified the problem. As the notions of "civilized" life in the city expand into flyover country, we'll see less and less tolerance for those who carry knives as tools.....even in Smalltown, Michigan.

Tagging and returning someone's legally-owned property is so darn normal and courteous we shouldn't need to talk ourselves blue to make everyone understand.

Take a look at the semi-fictional scenario I outlined above. Events much like it are happening all over the United States right now. We need to identify these folks (in the private sector, anyway...) willing to compromise rights so they can be slapped in the pocketbook.

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
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AKJON, yeah...these are all good points, but we surely have to hang together. Didn't Benjamin Franklin say something like that? ;)

If you encounter a hassle gaining entrance to a public facility with your legal, little 3.00" folder...PUBLICIZE IT HERE so other forumites can be aware.

P.S. Welcome to BladeForums!

Thanks all,

~ Blue Jays ~
 
just another unfriendly knife place.....AUSTRALIA!!! all of it, i live here and frankly if i got caught carrying my little schrade that i take every where i'd probly be in big trouble for carrying a concealed weapon which is 100% illegal here (damn, a whole country thats knife unfriendly).

PS. they don't like swords much either, damn trying to bring them into the country they give you the third degree but luckily i know the laws and what i can and can't bring in. worst of all is balisongs are highly illegal and i want one :(.
 
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Welcome to BladeForums, Robert.B! Your story kind of punches holes in the whole "Paul Hogan" scenario, huh?! We've seen the problems that the gun-grabbers have caused for our Australian brothers and we aim to NOT have it happen in the United States.

Are they utilizing the "metal detectors EVERYWHERE" methodology Down Under?

Oh, and "Thank You" to our Australian friends and the British for helping us give Saddam a good bashin' the past couple of weeks. My future travel plans will only include countries (like yours) that have stood by the USA during our darkest days.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
well the paul hogan thing has never been real, most larger knives for some years have been frowned upon and i own rifles and want to own pistols but most are banned except little 22's and some larger sport approved pistols so i'm going to stick to rifles, and were only allowed bolt action, lever action and pump action...all semi-auto rifles have been banned and the new pistol bannings on "military style" pistols were both brought on by only 2 F**king psyco's who went and shot a heap of people. i'm only 19 and already have felt the burn of crappy politicians in regards to knives and guns, and actually i was considering at a later stage in life to move state side (i want an M1 garand :p). but guess i'll have to live with it...:mad: and the metal detectors are being used a little in some government buildings and airports but there not that common.

and i'm glad and supprised at how quick and effient our troops went...also the rescue of the POW's was awesome news, i had a big smile on my face when i saw they where found (my great grand dad was a POW in WWI France and from his journal that our family has it really screwed his life for many years after wards). i want to travel to some arabic countries but i'm way to weary with the extremists so i think i'll stick to going to the states and UK for the time being. :)

Thanks for the welcome too. :D
Robert.B
 
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