Most over hyped knife currently in production?

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I just scored one on the exchange for a fair price. I am betting I like it and for what I paid, most likely a good value. We'll see, but in general I have been impressed with all of the stuff I've seen, and used from Spyderco, and this coming from a former Benchmade guy.
 
For me it would be the PM2. Its a good knife of course, and at a fair price point - Its one of the internets favorite knives. But since it didn't appeal to me personally (owned a couple), I'm just not onboard for all the hype
 
Keeping in mind that beyond the first $50 or so, pretty much everything we discuss in this place is highly subjective, but the most over-hyped to me would probably have to be either of these:

CRK Sebenza

I'll say it. I'm not claiming it's a bad knife, or not worth the money. The one I bought was very nice, and the fit and finish was as fabulous as I expected. It was just a disappointment because there is always so much hype about the Sebenza being the gold standard in production folders.

It wasn't superior in ergos to my work horse knives, and it wasn't superior in appearance to my pretty knives. I found it sort of a really, really nice knife that didn't do either thing well enough to make me want to keep it for anything other than style points.

Spyderco Paramilitary 2

This is another knife that I really like, but I think is over-hyped here. It's a very nice knife, but I couldn't replace my BM 940 or BM 710 with it. The 940 packs as much blade in a significantly smaller, lighter package. The 710 packs more blade into about the same amount of pocket space. It's a nice knife, but the amount of love it gets here is silly.

. . . again though, to be clear, I'm not claiming either the Sebenza or PM2 isn't a great knife, or saying that either isn't worth the money. Just that, IMO, both get way too much love hereabouts, compared to the reality when I'm holding them in my hand.
 
Nilloc said:
Hands down, it has got to be the Spyderco Southard. Nothing special to it, it is foreign made and costs more than numerous knives that out perform it.

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You have been around here long enough, you should know that there is always a newer knife that comes out that receives a lot of attention for a while and then that attention dies off when something new comes out. Remember, the 056x was that knife for a long time too, it was discussed a lot. I would think most people would not consider it over-hyped or over-priced. I did not get one because it is just a bit big for my personal taste. The only criticism I can see is that people keep making repetitive threads just like this one over and over, no fault to the knife. People love to bash the guy at the top, and right now the Southard is at the top. The thing is, there really are no negatives minus a few minor preferences. I personally put an STR clip on mine, and did not like the clip, but I change the clip on 3/4 of my knives. Some guys don't like the brown G10, and do some cool scales.

I do own one, and it is every bit worth the price. Nothing special? How about a steel that only one other company (Microtech) even uses, and outperforms 95% of production steels, how about bearings that make it one of the smoothest knives out there, and result in absolutely zero blade play no matter how much you try to wiggle it side-to-side. How about the fact that there are not numerous customers complaining of issues with the knives and having warranty issues. I have seen one where a guy took it apart and then it was not smooth opening when put back together. I have never seen a knife discussed where everyone reports having a flawless example like this knife. It is so consistent from piece to piece according to reports I have read. That is unique and special. How about having a knife designed by Brad Southard, who if you don't know is a very hard custom to come by. And tell me what knives are outperforming it? Sorry but you sound like an ignorant hater of the top dog right now. Don't worry, another awesome offering by another company will come along, get worn out here, and then you can make a thread about it sucking. Bring some substance, and you will get a better "discussion"
 
xICEMANx said:
Not in my opinion. Benchmade uses 154cm in most of their knives which doesn't even compare to the steel the Southard uses. I've owned several benchmades and never been all that impressed. The Southard however is worth all the hype.
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Have you used a Southard?

Also, a steel is only as good as the company that produces it. The 154cm BM uses is tempered perfectly.
 
Nilloc - In the nutnfancy Southard thread where you were defending nutnfancy you stated:

Concerning the Southward knife.....I've held one and used it. It is waaaaay overpriced for what you're getting. As they say, a fool and his money soon part ways.
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Now you are saying that you used your BIL's Southard for a week at work. That sounds a lot different than "I've held one" and this thread seems to more like a continuation of the nutnfancy thread than an original discussion.
 
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xICEMANx said:
Not in my opinion. Benchmade uses 154cm in most of their knives which doesn't even compare to the steel the Southard uses. I've owned several benchmades and never been all that impressed. The Southard however is worth all the hype.
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I think that's unfair. I'm sitting next to the drawer that holds my most used Benchmades, and only two are in 154 CM:

480 M390 (essentially the same steel as the Southard)
710 M390 (essentially the same steel as the Southard)
710 D2
940 S30V
950 154 CM
707 154 CM

Also, to make it clear that I'm not just a Benchmade fanboy, the knife in my pocket at the moment (and almost always, lately) is in fact a customized Spyderco Southard.
 
The Southard is over-hyped, as is the PM2.

1. Southard - The Southard is not over-hyped in proportion to its price. It is ridiculous that ever since Nutnfancy's whiny "250 what bro? jimping bro, wtf" 'review' that people have started whining in force about the Southard's price. The Southard carries a high price tag due to the materials used: think of other production knives using the same materials (the Southard's steel and handle drive the price). It is over-hyped because titanium frame lock flippers have become a cliche and caused a proverbial arms race.

2. PM 2 - The PM2 is an outstanding knife, but it is not the holy grail of EDC production folders. The terrible blade-to-handle ratio is the primary culprit.
 
Nilloc said:
Have you used a Southard?

Also, a steel is only as good as the company that produces it. The 154cm BM uses is tempered perfectly.
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Carpenter produces CTS-204P, and Crucible produces 154CM. Neither knife manufacturer produces their own steel that I am aware of. As far as perdormance is concerned, almost every 3rd generation Pm steel will outperform 154CM ingot steel in cutting. While I've never seen any Charpy teste to provide evidence of these 2 steels in comparison, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and "real world" use that is a bit more structured and credible than "a week".

The way you formulated your thread would indicate you might be looking for more than a legitimate discussion.
 
One and only warning for this thread. Make your posts relevant and DO NOT make each other the topic of conversation.
 
evilgreg said:
Keeping in mind that beyond the first $50 or so, pretty much everything we discuss in this place is highly subjective, but the most over-hyped to me would probably have to be either of these:

CRK Sebenza

I'll say it. I'm not claiming it's a bad knife, or not worth the money. The one I bought was very nice, and the fit and finish was as fabulous as I expected. It was just a disappointment because there is always so much hype about the Sebenza being the gold standard in production folders.

It wasn't superior in ergos to my work horse knives, and it wasn't superior in appearance to my pretty knives. I found it sort of a really, really nice knife that didn't do either thing well enough to make me want to keep it for anything other than style points.

Spyderco Paramilitary 2

This is another knife that I really like, but I think is over-hyped here. It's a very nice knife, but I couldn't replace my BM 940 or BM 710 with it. The 940 packs as much blade in a significantly smaller, lighter package. The 710 packs more blade into about the same amount of pocket space. It's a nice knife, but the amount of love it gets here is silly.

. . . again though, to be clear, I'm not claiming either the Sebenza or PM2 isn't a great knife, or saying that either isn't worth the money. Just that, IMO, both get way too much love hereabouts, compared to the reality when I'm holding them in my hand.
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I thought people would freak out about this! Maybe they didn't see it. Lol. But I feel the same, although fairly I haven't owned either just fondled.
 
Well, I am off to look up images of this Southard. It was a knife that was not on my radar at all, but because of this thread, I am now interested.

Brad is a good guy. It is good to support good guys with good designs and innovations in this industry...but only if you like their offerings.

No one need boast about what they like or dislike, but it's nice when people are complimentary of time and effort investment. Having worked on more than a few knives and designing a handful of my own...I can tell you it's not as easy as some might think.

And there is probably no single product that EVERYONE will agree on...that is why there are so many brands and variations of toilet paper ;)
 
RevDevil said:
Carpenter produces CTS-204P, and Crucible produces 154CM. Neither knife manufacturer produces their own steel that I am aware of. As far as perdormance is concerned, almost every 3rd generation Pm steel will outperform 154CM ingot steel in cutting. While I've never seen any Charpy teste to provide evidence of these 2 steels in comparison, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence and "real world" use that is a bit more structured and credible than "a week".

The way you formulated your thread would indicate you might be looking for more than a legitimate discussion.
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I know BM doesn't produce metal.
 
matttalkslots said:
I thought people would freak out about this! Maybe they didn't see it. Lol. But I feel the same, although fairly I haven't owned either just fondled.
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evilgreg and I share a lot in common in our likes and dislikes. I've owned Large and Small Sebenzas and they are GREAT knives. But they just don't work for me. The Large is too large and the Small is too small. I just can't find a happy medium with them. If I could, I'd own one.

The PM2 is another terrific knife. But as evilgreg pointed out, it's neither more terrific or less terrific than a number of other knives on the market including knives made by Spyderco. Frankly, I like my Southard better.

If there's a knife on the market right now that's receiving a lot of "hype" (aka attention), it's the Southard. But in the case of the Southard, the attention is deserved. It's Spyderco's first entry into flippers and it's a helluva lot of knife for the money. For those who think it looks a little goofy, I'd urge them to try one out before they reach a final decision. And for those whose objection is that it's built offshore, well . . . that's simply not an argument I can overcome. They'd have to take that up with the manufacturer. I'm just extremely grateful that Spyderco made such a wonderful knife and priced it at a point I could afford.
 
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