most over rated folder?

shootist16

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This should be an interesting thread. But please, lets act civilized. It's only a discussion. I am afraid to name my nominee right off the bat, I would be lynched for sure. I promise before this thread is over I will tell. I want to see if anyone else names it. I would start a thread about the most over rated fixed blade, but that one is way to obvious.

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Dennis Bible

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Franklin Mint. The way they advertise, it's obvious plenty of people are buying their crap knives...

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Has to be the BM 710. Blade so thick it's virtually impossible to resharpen; and the BM edge is not real sharp in the first place. Or maybe I just got a bad one.
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ralph

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the sebenza. not that it is not agreat knife just hear so much about it. then again if it really is that good maybe i'll get me two of them. one for each pocket of course.
 
Spyderco Military. Too light for its size, with a steel that is prone to chipping. 440V is not an improvement over ATS-34 or 154CM, and can't compare to BG-42 or CPM420V.

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James Segura
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Camillus CUDA (sorry Will
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). What the hell is up with that HUGE opening disk? Unless of course you are looking for the perfect thing for getting stuck on your pocket when drawn in a stress situation.

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Ralphtt,

I agree that the BM blade is not that sharp in the first place, and I also think that's an overrated knife.

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My goodness Dennis, you really want to start a fight tonight don't you? I was tempted to name the Sebenza, just to stir things up, but I don't have one. I'm also quite sure it's a great knife; I just have a hard time justifying the price given its method of production. I also don't collect or need many folders. But I will probably be looking for a good used small plain sebenza sometime soon. Just to see what's up with this thing.

So I'm going to go the the BM710 for the same reasons Ralphtt mentioned. My brother sent me one a few months ago. I'm Still trying to get the edge reground to what I consider a decent level of sharpness. I should say that as a woodcarver, I'm probably trying to put too much of an acute edge on the thing. But the steel is super (excessively) hard, and very difficult to resharpen by hand (I've read many similar complaints about BM ATS-34 here before). Everything else about this knife is OK. I think the axis lock is a tremendous innovation. It's super strong and blade deployment is very fast. But for everyday carry, the 710 is too big for my pockets. But I'm a tool guy, not a tactical guy.

Of course for folks Not reading this forum, Ryan is right. I don't know how many people bring me photos of some 'great' Franklin Mint money collector they saw in a magazine after they find out I collect knives. These folks never seem to understand why I have NO interest in these (I hesitate to use the word for fear of being struck down deaf, dumb, and blind) knives.
 
I don't know about a fight, but I am trying to start some decent threads. I was going to say the Sebenza myself. Nice knife, but come on guys, its not all that. There are knives almost as good at less than 1/3 the price.

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Dennis Bible
 
Dennis, it is all that and a side of fries
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Ok, here goes. The Benchmade AFCK. I have had 3 and all of them had handle flex, I could torque it in my hand enough to make the blade rub the liner, and all 3 if flicked open would stick so badly that I couldn't close it one-handed.
Walter
 
I'm currently saving up for a lefty sebenza, so until I get mine, I won't be able to say.
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Hmmm... most over-rated knife? I'd say benchmade. Their ATS34 is too brittle, grind lines uneven and thick. I'd take a Spyderco which is close to perfect as a production knife can get, and still have extra $$ for the fries... hehe..

Dan
 
Please don't have me banned from the forums for this but I don't see how it could be anything but the sebenza. I know that it is a very nice knife, but come on. To read some of the threads on it you have to stop and remind yourself that its a folder not a light saber that is being discussed.About the only thing people haven't said it can do is cut down trees with a single swipe, or saw through railroad ties and still shave after ward. Maybe it should be changed from sebenza to superknife.Thats just my opinion, nothing against all you sebenza fans
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Wahoo!! Finally, someone else who doesnt think the AFCK is the best thing since cold pizza! Nevermind the pizza thing. Anyway I have also had 3 of them (beadblast, bt, and btM2) and all the blades rubbed the liners, broke the tip off one, and I guess I've just come to dislike liner locks. Just my opinion, thanks! Oh, the blades are a little thin for my taste.
 
Maybe the Sebenza isn't overrated, it is overtalked on the Forums. I got a whole long list of Knives, mostly customs, mostly fixed blades, that I would rather own, for the same price as a Sebenza. There's even a whole Forum, if that's the only knife you really want to talk about. I bet if you go to the thread, "What's the best knife fopr $100 or less?" Someone would whip out their Sebenza, and say, "Save your money until you can afford a Sebenza, you loser!" Great company great knives, who really gives a rat's behind
how they are put together, and by who? I don't really care how Blondes get to be blonde, as long as they end up Blonde!
Sebenza Fans, someone has to break the news to you, there are other knives on this Planet!

Let the Fireworks Begin!
 
At the risk of facing the wrath of the fanatics, anything by Microtech
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I think they're all beautifuly made, and brilliant overall designs, but the blades are
just too thick to serve as efficient cutting tools,plus they are no where near as smooth as my customs. Of course, I do own a few, so I may just be talking out of my ass.

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Guys-

I'll agree, the Sebenza is overtalked on the forums, but I wouldn't say it's the MOST overrated folder. Sure it's pricey, but I think pride of ownership for myself and surely some others as well counts for a lot of that price tag. I liken it to automobiles- why are there Chevy Cavaliers and Corvettes as well? Some want the Corvette, as it brings a sense, however large or small that might be, of exclusivity. Sure, the Cavalier and the Corvette will both get you to the grocery store- but which one will turn heads on the way there?

Both the Sebenza and any other knife you care to name will cut things. But for some of us, that's not good enough. We want a little style, an interesting locking mechanism, or expensive materials to tell our friends about. "You know, that's titanium, heh, heh, heh..." And if someone chooses to spend $325 on a 'Benza or $120 for a BM Axis- so be it. A trip down to Wal-Mart with $20 in your pocket scores you a knife that will cut things, too.

But we all know it's not about practicality. How exactly does one define a folder as "overrated", anyways? Or do we just mean too expensive? Even at that, by whose standards?

Obviously, a knife like the Sebenza incorporates premium materials and some nice touches from it's creators. That is why it is what it is. But is it that much better than a BM Mono-Lock? Probably not. Both will cut stuff all the live long day, and can be returned to the manufacturers for repairs. Yet the Sebenza costs twice as much. I do not wish to try and lump all collectors into a single category, but for me at least, I couldn't buy a Mono-Lock because I know the design inspiration was the Sebenza. (Does that make sense?) I'd be after the Reeve because it was the original. Like Harleys versus import cruisers. But that's just my take.

So I guess I'd like to know what makes any knife over or underrated. Why a BM 710 and not a Buck Odyssey? I also have to agree with Phill well, at least on one point- there are other knives on the planet. And I'm positive each and every one you knows that each of your knives has a unique "personality." The way it feels in your hand, or rides in your pocket, the way it flicks open and 'pops' into the locked position, heck- even the way it smells! If you can and want to check out a Sebenza- God bless you, go for it. It's a NICE, well made knife. If you want a BM Axis model, by all means, have at it, enjoy! Both of these knives as examples, have distinct "personalities".

Who knows, maybe one will be right for YOU, and the fun is in finding that out, isn't it?

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Oh man, don't get me started...

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I disagree with the Cuda, but I'll agree that the AFCK is overrated...
 
Matt Shade - I have found that it takes me AT LEAST three swipes to cut through the trunk of most 10"-12" tree trunks with a Sebenza. And, to be fair, I did have to touch up the edge a bit after the tree trunk incident, to make it shave again.;-)

I know, I know....I'm a smart***. Sorry man, couldn't resist! Go ahead, let me have it...just don't bring out the Kryptonite!!!

The Sebenza is all THAT, a side of FRIES, and ahhh H-E-DOUBLEHOCKEYSTICKS...never mind.
 
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