MUDD Pass II Review Fourm

thanks guys. the song came on in my mom's car when i was going to lunch with her and it was in my head, then when i decided i needed music it was obvious. the production was all me :) but im thinking of farming out to mr coppola for the sequels. and it wasn't so much the pants i ruined as my hand when i half-waved it and went for an ice-pick grip and got a handful of blade tip but i didn't grab hard enough to spurt or anything. i find if the pocket has a strong seam and loose materials everywhere else its an almost 100% reliable way of opening the knife. it was funny giving one of my co-workers the ram (in their hand) and me with the mudd in my pocket (not too deep seated, and my hand on it) and doing old fashioned quick draws. i never lost :) but more on that in another vid
 
Wonderful video review! That wave opening is something else! i will have to try that sometime......
 
Well, my time's up, and it's going off today, so here's my thoughts on my time with the MUDD

My Memorial Day weekend started off early Saturday morning, with the arrival of the MUDD. Like a kid on Christmas, I took my trusty Blur out of my pocket, and cut into the box. There was the big ZT Serious Missions box tucked safely inside. Oh Boy! Time to go back into the rotation case Blur. Sorry, but I’ve got a week with this new puppy! Slade had sent me an email earlier telling me of some slight vertical blade play he noticed when he got it. He said it didn’t seem to affect the lock up, and he trusted it. Yep, there was a slight bit of play, probably from being tested hard by the others. I made sure it was locking up solid and away we went!

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS

Wow. This knife is a handful. The locking system allows you to open the knife in a number of different ways, including a solid opening from a pivot down handle down position. Pull back on the lock, a little flip of the wrist, and “clank”…it’s locked! It closes just as impressively, and once comfortable with it I could open and close it with a slight wrist movement and opening and releasing the lock at the right moment. One thing that really impressed me was the way the blade seemed to almost magnetically close up into the handle. This is a neat lock! Any way you grip the MUDD, it’s comfortable and feels right. The round thumb ears (that’s what they look like to me!) give you the ability to choke up on the knife for additional leverage, which came in handy later on. The sealed pivot is really nice, and proved invaluable later! The scales give plenty of grip, and the lock was positioned so you could get to it from any you held the MUDD, without the fear of accidentally releasing it while in use. The pocket clip was comfortable and discreet. The only thing you notice is the glass breaker on the top. There is another issue with the clip, which I’ll address later. The first thing I did was to make some comparisons to another workhorse, the 0200. The MUDD feels heavy and solid, but weighed in at 6.8 ounces versus the 0200’s 8.0 ounces.

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The length, both open and closed, is nearly identical to the 0200.

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The MUDD measured 9 inches open, with a 3 ½ inch blade. However, the useful cutting edge is 3 ¾ inches long…it’s a math thing.

OFF TO GIVE THIS PUPPY A WORKOUT

Since it was a holiday weekend, I was given my holiday weekend “honey do” list. OK, I need a knife for most of this stuff, so cool! There won’t be a lot of pictures of these activities, as it’s kinda hard to hold a chainsaw, work on a 20 foot ladder, etc. and hold a camera at the same time. First off was running a new 20 amp service to the garage. 200 feet of 12/3, some boxes, outlets and I’m good to go. After pulling the wire from one of the service boxes in the house and getting it to the garage via the attic, I needed to run the wire around the wall. Thankfully, it’s open stud construction. Out comes the MUDD. I used it to notch out about 24 studs, so I could get the wire to sit flush with the stud face. I did these in a couple of different ways, just to test the knife. Some I chopped out using it like a carpenter’s hatchet and some I cut with in a more deliberate manner. The latter is where the “ears” I mentioned earlier were nice. I could choke up on the knife, and get a lot of leverage cutting into seasoned wall studs without fear of my thumb slipping off the blade The MUDD was perfect for the job, as it notched the studs and stripped the wire with ease. That job’s done so on to the next. The next one was to scrape the garage windows and prep then for paint. Ha Ha! Forget the paint scraper, out came the MUDD! I worked on those 2 windows for about 4 hours, scraping paint and digging out old glazing. It never even thought about not liking what it was doing. By now, I figured it could use a touch up on the blade, but no, it still had a relatively sharp edge. Time to cut up some firewood. The MUDD didn’t do a lot here except for stripping some smaller branches clean, but after finishing the job, I took a break and it gave me a neat backdrop for some pictures.

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So much for Saturday. Sunday took me to the farm, where I had to cut about 6 acres of grass. No big deal. Murphy and his Law paid me a visit. About half way thru, I broke a 93” belt on one of the gang mowers. Of course it didn’t just fall off. No, that would be too easy. Instead, it wrapped itself in a death grip around an arbor pulley, and one of the mower shafts. Out comes the MUDD, and about 30 minutes later, I had cut, pried and dug my way down to metal again, and the belt was in little pieces all over the ground. New belt on, and the job was finished. Back home, a small thunderstorm popped up. No problem, as it created some nice mucky gunk in one of the gardens. Here’s where the sealed pivots came in handy. Huummm, MUDD, mud, why not? I watched Gavin’s video of the MUDD in sand, but no one’s buried it in real mud yet? Wonder what's in here?
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Time to give it a bath.

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I cleaned it up real good and dried it off with a hairdryer. It still worked perfectly! On Monday, we rested. We did the normal Memorial Day thing with a cookout. The MUDD was great to use in the kitchen. I chopped veggies, cut potatoes, and sliced tomatoes and a pork tenderloin.

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The weekend over, I spent Tuesday night with the Sharpmaker and cardboard wheel. The edge was pretty beat up by now, but came back to shaving sharp in short order. The rest of the week was routine stuff, opening letters, cutting up empty boxes, digging out new found splinters in my hands, that sort of thing.

CONCLUSIONS

I’ve got the give the MUDD its due. I worked this knife hard, not only using it as a pocket folder, but also as a paint scraper, pry bar, fixed blade and small hatchet. It never whimpered or missed a beat. At no time was I ever afraid of the lock failing, and me having to get Sandy to open my ketchup bottles for the rest of my life. This knife is rock solid, and could be used as a small fixed blade if need be. I really feel, given the choice of the MUDD versus a 0200 or 030x, I’d pick the MUDD. Now for the one irritating thing about this knife (other than having to buy one now that I’ve spent some time with it and know its capabilities). Earlier, I mentioned a problem with the pocket clip. The design of having the clip attached to one side and folding over the end to the other side left enough of a gap to allow my pocket edge to roll over the top. This made it impossible to get the knife out of my pocket with gloves on, or even one handed without gloves.

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Is that enough to give me reason not to buy one? In a word, no. However, I believe that some type of modification to the clip is in order. This is a work knife, handles jobs that you wouldn’t expect a folder to be able to handle, and is all around one tough SOB. The slight vertical blade play is just the same after my beatings as it was when I got it. What I’m really upset about is having to box it up and send it on its way. I’m gonna miss this knife.
 
I agree with how the pocket material rides up and over the end of the knife. Happened to me, too. Looks to me like the easy fix is to redesign the clip to ride against the frame; this would have the added advantage of making the the glass-breaker nub less "springy" (though I have to admit I never attempted to break any auto glass...it just seemed to me that there might be too much "give" in the clip when striking).
 
AWESOME REVIEW and GREAT PICTURES!!!!:) did it wimper when you made it take a bath after being buried in the mud?:D mine has the same problem with the clip,even though mine has the clip without the glassbreaker. i like the bentover clip design, i think it should be closer to the grip and not have that gap for your pocket to grab! :) i really liked the picture with the MUDD,the flag and sparklers!!:thumbup:
 
great review brad. i wish i had some sort of yard to play with the knife, but sadly the only place i used it was at work.
 
Well, I am confident that my MUDD could handle any junk thrown at it. Thanks for the review!
 
Fantastic review with great pics, SPX! :thumbup::thumbup:

Thanx, Brad...:D

Ray :)
 
Awesome review Brad!! :thumbup:
Nice and very detailed.....with pics for us kiddies.
 
Indeed, an excellent review. I have a problem with the clip also, but not the same one that you indicated. I haven't had the roll up to happen, I just do not like the twisting that I get with the clip when I open the blade. I am one of those that like a really tight pivot on my knives and this means I have to exert a little extra force to get the blade opened, nothing severe, but enough to cause the clip to twist and move a little in my hand. On my first MUDD I simply rebent the original clip, added one hole, removed a piece of the clip, and ended up with a nice foldover clip that attatched to the same handle as it was on. I haven't done that yet with this one as my cousin is out of town for a couple weeks and it is his workshop I use to do this.

Again, an excellent review and real life use of the MUDD. I know now why it is my favorite ZT!!:thumbup::D
 

One advantage of this type of clip is that as the cloth curls over, the knife can almost be completely concealed. Since the clip is pen type and the protusion (on the top of the clip) looks like a pen button I think none would be the wiser if you say you got a pen instead of a knife.

Apologies if this has been observed already.
 
Hey Brad, question for you, how would you compare the 0200 to the MUDD? other than the pics of course. i ask because it looks as though the 0200 of yours has gotten some use. just wondering how it compared in anything similar you did with the MUDD while you had it.
 
One advantage of this type of clip is that as the cloth curls over, the knife can almost be completely concealed. Since the clip is pen type and the protusion (on the top of the clip) looks like a pen button I think none would be the wiser if you say you got a pen instead of a knife.

Apologies if this has been observed already.

This is a work knife, not a ninja mall stealth hide in a dark ally knife.
The clip is there so you can get to it...for work as SPX used it for and
put up a really great review for us. No comments on the great review..??
I really don't think the object is to hide it.
 
ol, good question. First, the MUDD is friendlier in the hand than the 0200. This is of course subjective and a personal preference. I would guess, compared side by side, the MUDD would do better in tough work situations than the 0200, because of the lack of a recurve. The MUDD blade seems really stout, and doesn't thin out near the tip like the recurved 0200 does. From a "trust the lock" standpoint, I'd have to give the MUDD the advantage here, too. Yeah, the 0200's liner is a thick lock, but the MUDD seems to be stronger on lock up, and it really did give me the feel of a fixed blade. There's always something to be done around the Compound here, or at the farm, so the 0200 has seen it's share of work. I've never used it as a prybar, scraper, or dug into metal with it, but I have used it as a small hatchet before, once, hacking off some small branches before I got the Outcast. It needed a sharpening after that experience. While I have beaten on the 0200 quite a bit, I was a lot harder on the MUDD than I have ever been on MY 0200 (operative word being "MY" :D). If someone wants to loan me an 0200, I'll give it a workout! :eek: Gotta do some work on one of the barns in KY this summer...that will either make it or break it, literally.
 
It must be a fun blade to beat around a little:p

I should know having had mine for a couple weeks now....being a birthday knife limits me for the rest of the month but I EDC'd it for a week and can agree with you comments on stoutness. A simply wonderful tool! :thumbup:
 
ol, good question. First, the MUDD is friendlier in the hand than the 0200. This is of course subjective and a personal preference. I would guess, compared side by side, the MUDD would do better in tough work situations than the 0200, because of the lack of a recurve. The MUDD blade seems really stout, and doesn't thin out near the tip like the recurved 0200 does. From a "trust the lock" standpoint, I'd have to give the MUDD the advantage here, too. Yeah, the 0200's liner is a thick lock, but the MUDD seems to be stronger on lock up, and it really did give me the feel of a fixed blade. There's always something to be done around the Compound here, or at the farm, so the 0200 has seen it's share of work. I've never used it as a prybar, scraper, or dug into metal with it, but I have used it as a small hatchet before, once, hacking off some small branches before I got the Outcast. It needed a sharpening after that experience. While I have beaten on the 0200 quite a bit, I was a lot harder on the MUDD than I have ever been on MY 0200 (operative word being "MY" :D). If someone wants to loan me an 0200, I'll give it a workout! :eek: Gotta do some work on one of the barns in KY this summer...that will either make it or break it, literally.

thanks dude. thats what i was wondering. yeah i agree that the MUDD has the better lock for sure (its the SUPER Ram lol). so as long as the 0200 isnt used stupidly (like a prybar ect.), it holds up as well as the MUDD? maybe a little less because of the recurve (which is dependant on the task of course)?

the reason i ask is 1. i didnt put it through the work you did when i had it (baseball road trip...timing lol), and 2. i only have the 0200 lol, like you :p.
 
Hard to answer ol...The 2 are made differently (lock system, blade shape, sealed lock and pivot vs. non sealed) and if I had both, I think I'd consider these facts. Both are beasts, but I'd use them differently, for different purposes. That said, if it makes any sense, yeah, the 0200 would hold up just as well.
 
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