Basically all I am saying is that you were critizing someones style. That's nuts. I will make what I want to. Everyone has their own style and you were pretty adamant that my style was bad for everybody.
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Basically all I am saying is that you were critizing someones style. That's nuts. I will make what I want to. Everyone has their own style and you were pretty adamant that my style was bad for everybody.
lol. Before you told me, I was going to say the way you described was the only way to do it. You seem very methodical. After my first knife I learned a lot about what steps to take when (as far as sanding to what grits when, and what not). Everything gets a lot easier with a good method. I may have mentioned this before but my methods improved so much from the first to second knife that my time to make the second knife was like a 5th of the time to make my first. I guess that goes with building anything, but it is especially true with something that you are creating something with such an exact design, fit, and finish...and doing it all in apartment makes it all even more complex. ....like remembering to cover up your pillows and night stand when you shape your handles!
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Dz, slow your roll homey. Stacy was giving you sound advice. The human hand hasn't changed much in 50,000 years and a knife is one of our oldest tools. There are different ways of decorating a knife, but that mousetrap has been pretty well invented. There is sound philosophy in learning and mastering the basics before reaching to completely redesign the knife.
Your knife looks ok, but you admitted to screwing up several things. It does look like a steak knife with a dorsal fin due to proportion. You reference a fighting knife for that dorsal fin feature, but clearly didn't draw a fighting knife... Hence the suggestion for losing it...
I think it looks ok execution wise but awkward design wise honestly. And I will personally state Stacy's style is not boring and he is probably one of the most versed and talented among us. Look at the most revered in our craft. You will see decorative enhancements, but for the most part purpose dictates overall proportion and design.
Keep working on it, you have a good start. Grow from that and keep learning.
Cheers!
Your knife looks ok, but you admitted to screwing up several things. It does look like a steak knife with a dorsal fin due to proportion. You reference a fighting knife for that dorsal fin feature, but clearly didn't draw a fighting knife... Hence the suggestion for losing it...
I think it looks ok execution wise but awkward design wise honestly. And I will personally state Stacy's style is not boring and he is probably one of the most versed and talented among us. Look at the most revered in our craft. You will see decorative enhancements, but for the most part purpose dictates overall proportion and design.
Keep working on it, you have a good start. Grow from that and keep learning.
Cheers!
I'm talking about the second knife only. In my mind, there are no shape problems with that knife. I made what i wanted. It is not a steak knife. The FIRST knife turned into a steak knife because my messed up grind narrowed me down that path. The first knife was a disaster as far as design intent from drawing to the actual knife. I pointed that out in the original post. That's why it became a test knife and was going to be something I just threw away before I even heat treated it.
So I guess you agree, I can't have a thumb ramp.
If I like the style of the ?angular? deep choil, I still cant have it and it is "wrong" that I made it because someone things its going to be uncomfortable??? There are so many uncomfortable knives out there. This one is far from any of the ones that come to mind (spyderco leaf storm comes to mind?!?!)
I like the wooden handled knife. I don't need to slow my roll because someone else doesn't like the style. No one can/should dictate my style based on their aethstetic preferences. I can listen to peoples preferences on knife designs but with how happy and adamant I was about making this exact design, I wont accept any SHOULD's and HAVE TO's regarding aethstetics. I was so sure that this was the exact knife that I wanted to make that I swore that I must have seen this exact knife somewhere. I still haven't found it. I did find something a tiny bit close but I never saw it until after I drew it up. The knife has a very very slight resemblance to a Busse HG55 just because of the "not tall" blade, the slight bowie cut and the generic shape of the handle.
I'm thinking I have seen a steak knife that looks like my knife or something because i have always wanted a similar knife but more capable, elaborate, and ....fancy.
example
I have yet to find the exact replica of my knife (or vice versa!) but if it's out there and I just didn't realize it, let me know. No one should say what type of knives get thumb ramps, etc. Thats thinking too inside the box. Being that Stacey has been making knives for 50 years and been around even longer, I'm assuming he was one of those guys who thought it was blastphomey to have sliced bread or internet...or peanut butter AND jelly, until someone else tried it. ....I mean, that's just the impression I get from his forceful demands.
I never said the second knife was perfect. I think the shape is perfect, but I'm surprised no one mentioned the crappy pin placement.
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Stacy didn't give you 'forceful demands' only suggestions. As did I. You make what you want to make. You asked for a critique, if you can't handle the opinions, don't ask for them. Nobody said 'you can't have a thumb ramp' etc, only that those features were useful on some knives and not others. Based on experience...
Stacy gives advice from making thousands of knives, selling them and listening to consumer feedback. I give suggestions based on 30 years of knife collecting and use, well beyond the experience of many who consider themselves expert outdoorsmen and tactical operators. I speak of whaf I find comfortable as does Stacy. Oh yeah, and I've made a knife or two here and there a well... and sold them... and have listened to customer feedback.
Your response to the advice seems to be that you knocke it out of the park on attempt #2, and the rest of us are thinking 'inside the box' and you don't like the advice given. (See the knife in my avatar? Hardly inside the box... but based on years of real world experience and actual testing.)
Look, either you want advice or you don't. If all you want to hear is 'ooh' and 'ahh' then either ask somewhere with less experienced makers or don't ask for a real critique. Critique is designed to get the input of those with more experience who are tapped into the market a better than the subject. It is designed to shorten the learning curve by learning from other's mistakes. The reaction shouldn't be to call the observer unoriginal and inside the box just because they would make changes to your design.
Seriously, I wish you all the luck in the world. And if you have it nailed then more power to you. Good luck with your future designs. I, for one will just choose to refrain from critique for you just to keep an even keel and all.
Edit: And amongst my crew, 'slow your roll' means to not jump on the defensive lest we be taking something the wrong way. The problem with typed word versus spoken word is it lacks inflection, thus the nuance is missing. Take evverything lightly. This is a friendly place where we should all feel free to speak our mind and not get too defensive about anything. Spirited discussion comes and goes in here, but in the long run it makes us better craftsmen.
Cheers.
-Eric
Stacy gives advice from making thousands of knives, selling them and listening to consumer feedback. I give suggestions based on 30 years of knife collecting and use, well beyond the experience of many who consider themselves expert outdoorsmen and tactical operators. I speak of whaf I find comfortable as does Stacy. Oh yeah, and I've made a knife or two here and there a well... and sold them... and have listened to customer feedback.
Your response to the advice seems to be that you knocke it out of the park on attempt #2, and the rest of us are thinking 'inside the box' and you don't like the advice given. (See the knife in my avatar? Hardly inside the box... but based on years of real world experience and actual testing.)
Look, either you want advice or you don't. If all you want to hear is 'ooh' and 'ahh' then either ask somewhere with less experienced makers or don't ask for a real critique. Critique is designed to get the input of those with more experience who are tapped into the market a better than the subject. It is designed to shorten the learning curve by learning from other's mistakes. The reaction shouldn't be to call the observer unoriginal and inside the box just because they would make changes to your design.
Seriously, I wish you all the luck in the world. And if you have it nailed then more power to you. Good luck with your future designs. I, for one will just choose to refrain from critique for you just to keep an even keel and all.
Edit: And amongst my crew, 'slow your roll' means to not jump on the defensive lest we be taking something the wrong way. The problem with typed word versus spoken word is it lacks inflection, thus the nuance is missing. Take evverything lightly. This is a friendly place where we should all feel free to speak our mind and not get too defensive about anything. Spirited discussion comes and goes in here, but in the long run it makes us better craftsmen.
Cheers.
-Eric
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Really? Are you kidding me? What you have done here today would be like an atheist telling the Pope how to be Catholic. Or telling Mother Teresa how to be a better person.
As Eric has already reiterated, Stacy is one of the most respected knife makers on this forum and in this trade. AND he spends as much time as anyone giving free guidance and tips to newbies such as us. When he speaks, even the experienced makers listen. Yet, you scoff at his advice. Egos and attitudes such as yours are likely why some of the experts who's names used to frequent this site, no longer do.
You bring up that no one critiqued your pin placements. Several of us did, on your first knife. It is hardly our fault that you moved the pins that were properly placed and failed to do so with the one that needed it.
Nailed it? The shape is perfect? Hardly so. I reckon you would struggle to find anyone on this site other than yourself to say that about their own work.
Want to see a beginning knife maker's work who really did nail it? Check out the knife in this post...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1121798.html
Even with the quality of that knife, Stacy went on to give more recommendations than he did you, on how that maker could improve his knife.
Stick with the hobby for another 6 months or a year. Make another 20 or 25 knives, THEN come back and tell us you "nailed it" with this one, your 2nd. You won't.
Wow....just wow.....
Chris
As Eric has already reiterated, Stacy is one of the most respected knife makers on this forum and in this trade. AND he spends as much time as anyone giving free guidance and tips to newbies such as us. When he speaks, even the experienced makers listen. Yet, you scoff at his advice. Egos and attitudes such as yours are likely why some of the experts who's names used to frequent this site, no longer do.
You bring up that no one critiqued your pin placements. Several of us did, on your first knife. It is hardly our fault that you moved the pins that were properly placed and failed to do so with the one that needed it.
Nailed it? The shape is perfect? Hardly so. I reckon you would struggle to find anyone on this site other than yourself to say that about their own work.
Want to see a beginning knife maker's work who really did nail it? Check out the knife in this post...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1121798.html
Even with the quality of that knife, Stacy went on to give more recommendations than he did you, on how that maker could improve his knife.
Stick with the hobby for another 6 months or a year. Make another 20 or 25 knives, THEN come back and tell us you "nailed it" with this one, your 2nd. You won't.
Wow....just wow.....
Chris
Eric, I never asked for knife design critique. I agreed with what you said about the first knife looking weird because the blade was so short and the piece at the ricasso seemed useless. I thought that before you said it. I accepted that, but I wasn't asking for style pointers. Sorry if you thought that. There are thousands of knife designers out there and I don't like a lot of their designs. Heck, I don't like ANY designs from quite a few knife makers. I'm pretty sure that most people feel the same way. I can almost guarantee that you think that at least one design from every knife maker is extremely ugly.
Going back and reading what's his names remarks, they were all focused on style. Here is the quote that really seemed out of line.
"Make the next one without that dorsal fin on it (I would grind it off this one if it was mine). Just curve the handle into the spine. It does not need that bump...and it looks terrible. " Looks terrible? Lol, that's your opinion. Not needed? Alright, lets pigeon hole someone back in the box. With that mind set there would only need to be about 4 differently styled knives on earth
The other remark about the finger choil area looking uncomfortable and not designed around 100% optimal comfort is also a design/aethstetics releated remark. If comfort drove all knife designs and, more specifically, caused me to change my handle design because of it, all knives, including this one would suck. 90% of the brass finger guards out there are more angular than my knife. in that area. This kind of stuff leads me to the "thinking in the box" mindset.
As far as "hitting it out of the park" on my 2nd knife design. Yes, I feel that I hit it out of the park. But it's not my second design, its my first design and the original intent with the first knife. I was able to make this second knife exactly how it was drawn up on paper. There are plenty of other styles I want to make that are totally different, but this was my #1 favorite design. I redid the design for a while and then stared at it on paper for months. Then I cut the blank and stared at that for two more months. I like this design, always have, and don't want to change anything about it.
The problem I think we keep running into is that because people who have made knives for way way way longer than I have think that they will have better designs and their opinion on aethstetics is fact. That is absolutely not true. Granted you and others have more ideas for designs and are definitely miles beyond me in knife making skills, but that does not mean that when making a knife in the style that I have, you or anyone else would automatically have a better looking design. Just because I haven't made a knife until now doesn't mean that I don't know how to design stuff and haven't ever seen, own, or studied knives for a long time....and quite frankly, as I said before....this is my knife and I like it. That's all that matters.
Hopefully this makes sense
Going back and reading what's his names remarks, they were all focused on style. Here is the quote that really seemed out of line.
"Make the next one without that dorsal fin on it (I would grind it off this one if it was mine). Just curve the handle into the spine. It does not need that bump...and it looks terrible. " Looks terrible? Lol, that's your opinion. Not needed? Alright, lets pigeon hole someone back in the box. With that mind set there would only need to be about 4 differently styled knives on earth
The other remark about the finger choil area looking uncomfortable and not designed around 100% optimal comfort is also a design/aethstetics releated remark. If comfort drove all knife designs and, more specifically, caused me to change my handle design because of it, all knives, including this one would suck. 90% of the brass finger guards out there are more angular than my knife. in that area. This kind of stuff leads me to the "thinking in the box" mindset.
As far as "hitting it out of the park" on my 2nd knife design. Yes, I feel that I hit it out of the park. But it's not my second design, its my first design and the original intent with the first knife. I was able to make this second knife exactly how it was drawn up on paper. There are plenty of other styles I want to make that are totally different, but this was my #1 favorite design. I redid the design for a while and then stared at it on paper for months. Then I cut the blank and stared at that for two more months. I like this design, always have, and don't want to change anything about it.
The problem I think we keep running into is that because people who have made knives for way way way longer than I have think that they will have better designs and their opinion on aethstetics is fact. That is absolutely not true. Granted you and others have more ideas for designs and are definitely miles beyond me in knife making skills, but that does not mean that when making a knife in the style that I have, you or anyone else would automatically have a better looking design. Just because I haven't made a knife until now doesn't mean that I don't know how to design stuff and haven't ever seen, own, or studied knives for a long time....and quite frankly, as I said before....this is my knife and I like it. That's all that matters.
Hopefully this makes sense
How many times do I need to say that I dont care about anyone's opinion on the aethstetics. I don't care who you are, and I don't care about your opinion on how my knife looks. You are not me. If I was looking for opinions on knife design, I would have thrown these pics up in the show off area, not the Q&A area. I in no way have to take any other knife designers opinions on knife design aethstetic as bible. I can just as easily criticize a pros blade styles just as easily with as much truth behind it. Frankly you don't get any respect when you call someones design terrible. Everyone has their own taste and you need to be respectful of that. For instance, you don't see any Snody knives that look like Chris Reeve knives because they have different styles. I didn't even read the rest of your post. Go find someone else to harass.
If you need more steering on a proper frame of reference. Here's a thread on ugly knives. Man, all these people are criticizing professionals with way more skills than anyone on this website. So why is a pro knife maker opinion on my knife more important than the common persons? The pros on here are only getting their feedback from customers....customers like you and I. Think about it...and slow your roll.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/754382-Ugly-Knives
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:thumbdown:I *very* rarely speak up when someone is out of line, but... well, I'll just continue down that path...
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Please continue to bless us with your revolutionary designs. We can all learn a great deal from you since you are so far ahead of us. We can look to your center story in Blade magazine foretelling the future of the knife industry. Maybe then I can start copying your designs and actually selling a knife or two...
I am sure all the other extremely talented makers here I look to for guidance of my own will be shocked to learn that they have been missing it for years. I look forward to them humbly asking you for design critique. Do you plan on teaching any classes for the ABS? Surely they would be glad to have you teach amongst their ranks. Again, to think of all the Apprentice, Journeyman and Master smiths who have been getting it wrong for so long. Man...
NEED I REMIND YOU THE ONLY THINGS YOU WERE ADDRESSING WITH YOUR QUESTIONS FROM POST #1 WERE AESTHETIC IN NATURE? Finishing grit, ricasso/choil shape, pin placement and the like... Wow, what a complete switch to now say you were just showing us the design and didn't want any feedback. So what is is you wanted critique on anyway? Were you just showing us the knife so we would know what a real knife is supposed to look like? If that's the case, then fine. Say that. Don't ask about finishing grit, ricasso shape, overall finish and pin placement. Don't say, "I just finished now I have questions" if you aren't prepared to hear the answers to those questions. Dang...
Quote: "I can just as easily criticize a pros blade styles just as easily with as much truth behind it."
Man, to think I was basing my design critique on 30 years as a collector, thousands of hours in the woods, and thousands of hours as a defensive tactics instructor, street cop and advanced entry team member. Maybe I should take to critiquing airplane design... I mean, I have drawn one on a piece of paper and built a model before. Obviously that gives me enough background to thoroughly critique a pro's design with just 'as much truth behind it...'
Quote: "The other remark about the finger choil area looking uncomfortable and not designed around 100% optimal comfort is also a design/aethstetics releated remark. If comfort drove all knife designs and, more specifically, caused me to change my handle design because of it, all knives, including this one would suck. 90% of the brass finger guards out there are more angular than my knife. in that area. This kind of stuff leads me to the "thinking in the box" mindset.
No, that was remark based on user comfort, not aethstetics(sic: aesthetics proper spelling...). And comfort does drive a great deal of design, especially when it comes to a useable knife, not a wall hanger or fantasy piece. And apparently you haven't looked at many 'brass guards'... I struggle to find one that is angular, or really even brass these days... Sometimes, outside the box is just outside the box. Not revolutionary.
Quote: "way more skills than anyone on this website
Then obviously you should go there. I mean, why would there be ANY talent whatsoever on the webs leading knife related website. I'm glad to learn we are all a bunch of talentless hacks... Dang. Color my hopes shattered...
I am blessed enough to have more requests than I could ever hope to fill. From people who know what a proper knife should feel and look like. So I will mind my own, and you can continue on your narrow minded path. I'm glad looking at a drawing for months means you have this knife design stuff down. I mean, mine don't look anything like yours, so I must be doing it COMPLETELY wrong. I can't imagine how any of my knives could possibly be comfortable or desired by others at all... To think, I have been missing it for years I guess. Dang.
The critiques are intended to help you work toward future designs that are optimally functional, comfortable, and pleasing to more people than just yourself. You asked what we thought, we told you, you didn't like it, so you call us unoriginal and narrow-minded. If that's the only knife you plan to make, and 'knocked it out of the park' and aren't concerned with anyone's opinion than your own, then great. I guess its all downhill from here. I guess in reality all you wanted to hear was, 'Yep, its shaped like a knife. Sure enough.'
I sincerely hope you come back and show us a booming knife business with your knife designs pushing our trade into the future despite your horribly 'knee-jerk' defensive and narrow minded attitude. And hopefully you will realize this is, overall, a constructive atmosphere designed to help us all develop as makers and present to the rest of the world comfortable, durable, and aesthetically pleasing blades.
Cheers,
-Eric
I am sure all the other extremely talented makers here I look to for guidance of my own will be shocked to learn that they have been missing it for years. I look forward to them humbly asking you for design critique. Do you plan on teaching any classes for the ABS? Surely they would be glad to have you teach amongst their ranks. Again, to think of all the Apprentice, Journeyman and Master smiths who have been getting it wrong for so long. Man...
NEED I REMIND YOU THE ONLY THINGS YOU WERE ADDRESSING WITH YOUR QUESTIONS FROM POST #1 WERE AESTHETIC IN NATURE? Finishing grit, ricasso/choil shape, pin placement and the like... Wow, what a complete switch to now say you were just showing us the design and didn't want any feedback. So what is is you wanted critique on anyway? Were you just showing us the knife so we would know what a real knife is supposed to look like? If that's the case, then fine. Say that. Don't ask about finishing grit, ricasso shape, overall finish and pin placement. Don't say, "I just finished now I have questions" if you aren't prepared to hear the answers to those questions. Dang...
Quote: "I can just as easily criticize a pros blade styles just as easily with as much truth behind it."
Man, to think I was basing my design critique on 30 years as a collector, thousands of hours in the woods, and thousands of hours as a defensive tactics instructor, street cop and advanced entry team member. Maybe I should take to critiquing airplane design... I mean, I have drawn one on a piece of paper and built a model before. Obviously that gives me enough background to thoroughly critique a pro's design with just 'as much truth behind it...'
Quote: "The other remark about the finger choil area looking uncomfortable and not designed around 100% optimal comfort is also a design/aethstetics releated remark. If comfort drove all knife designs and, more specifically, caused me to change my handle design because of it, all knives, including this one would suck. 90% of the brass finger guards out there are more angular than my knife. in that area. This kind of stuff leads me to the "thinking in the box" mindset.
No, that was remark based on user comfort, not aethstetics(sic: aesthetics proper spelling...). And comfort does drive a great deal of design, especially when it comes to a useable knife, not a wall hanger or fantasy piece. And apparently you haven't looked at many 'brass guards'... I struggle to find one that is angular, or really even brass these days... Sometimes, outside the box is just outside the box. Not revolutionary.
Quote: "way more skills than anyone on this website
Then obviously you should go there. I mean, why would there be ANY talent whatsoever on the webs leading knife related website. I'm glad to learn we are all a bunch of talentless hacks... Dang. Color my hopes shattered...
I am blessed enough to have more requests than I could ever hope to fill. From people who know what a proper knife should feel and look like. So I will mind my own, and you can continue on your narrow minded path. I'm glad looking at a drawing for months means you have this knife design stuff down. I mean, mine don't look anything like yours, so I must be doing it COMPLETELY wrong. I can't imagine how any of my knives could possibly be comfortable or desired by others at all... To think, I have been missing it for years I guess. Dang.
The critiques are intended to help you work toward future designs that are optimally functional, comfortable, and pleasing to more people than just yourself. You asked what we thought, we told you, you didn't like it, so you call us unoriginal and narrow-minded. If that's the only knife you plan to make, and 'knocked it out of the park' and aren't concerned with anyone's opinion than your own, then great. I guess its all downhill from here. I guess in reality all you wanted to hear was, 'Yep, its shaped like a knife. Sure enough.'
I sincerely hope you come back and show us a booming knife business with your knife designs pushing our trade into the future despite your horribly 'knee-jerk' defensive and narrow minded attitude. And hopefully you will realize this is, overall, a constructive atmosphere designed to help us all develop as makers and present to the rest of the world comfortable, durable, and aesthetically pleasing blades.
Cheers,
-Eric
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Guys, there is no point in chiding DZ, he is at that age where he is the only one who knows anything. He will grow older and learn a lot ( hopefully). Lets all just let him be and see how he does in making knives.
Just a few quotes from DZ himself here on BF:
"Sorry, like I said, I'm not very smart."
"OMG, I just realized how stupid I am."
"Another question. I want some cheese sticks. Is it safe to make cheese sticks in the oven while tempering a knife..... "
"Well, thanks for the advice and the unexpected compliments. You guys are very forgiving to a beginner. "
"Thanks for the helpful feedback""I almost threw it away because I messed up the grind and didnt want a FFG....also the blade isn't as tall as I wanted because...well, I messed up the grind...."
"I know there's a lot that I don't know"
"Hmmm, I'm not going to post pictures of what will be my ridiculous setup............ I am thinking of setting up a shower rod rack with a curtain around my grinder and the window in my bedroom so I can grind and minimize dust. The 3rd option is just to wear a pear of ear plugs and grind in the bathtub. I'm a classy guy. ...and when there's a will, there's a way. Any nay sayers, just aren't smart enough or are too lazy to figure it out how to make this stuff work."
"Thanks for the help. Time to get to work. "
And these comments by Nick Wheeler who was chided by DZ:
"OMG- I am humbled by your awesomeness!!!!! I'm ashamed I ever doubted your total bad-ass-ed-ness......
I guess at this point I'm just feeding a troll. A frigg'n awesome bad ass knife maker troll... Yea! Rock on with your bad self!!! "
"Someone who simply, flat-out dismisses advice from people who know how to do something they want to do are ignorant. We rarely use ALL the advice we get, but to simply dismiss it without even considering it is rude. Those who go even further to puff their chest out and make snarky comments about how foolish the advice they've been given, are arrogant and ignorant.
"
And the one that says it all:
"YEAH! I got my Momma to go to the knife shop for Christmas!!! ....cuz she doesn't know how many I already have! There's no way for me to be able to explain to her why I need this knife, but I do need it."
Just a few quotes from DZ himself here on BF:
"Sorry, like I said, I'm not very smart."
"OMG, I just realized how stupid I am."
"Another question. I want some cheese sticks. Is it safe to make cheese sticks in the oven while tempering a knife..... "
"Well, thanks for the advice and the unexpected compliments. You guys are very forgiving to a beginner. "
"Thanks for the helpful feedback""I almost threw it away because I messed up the grind and didnt want a FFG....also the blade isn't as tall as I wanted because...well, I messed up the grind...."
"I know there's a lot that I don't know"
"Hmmm, I'm not going to post pictures of what will be my ridiculous setup............ I am thinking of setting up a shower rod rack with a curtain around my grinder and the window in my bedroom so I can grind and minimize dust. The 3rd option is just to wear a pear of ear plugs and grind in the bathtub. I'm a classy guy. ...and when there's a will, there's a way. Any nay sayers, just aren't smart enough or are too lazy to figure it out how to make this stuff work."
"Thanks for the help. Time to get to work. "
And these comments by Nick Wheeler who was chided by DZ:
"OMG- I am humbled by your awesomeness!!!!! I'm ashamed I ever doubted your total bad-ass-ed-ness......
I guess at this point I'm just feeding a troll. A frigg'n awesome bad ass knife maker troll... Yea! Rock on with your bad self!!! "
"Someone who simply, flat-out dismisses advice from people who know how to do something they want to do are ignorant. We rarely use ALL the advice we get, but to simply dismiss it without even considering it is rude. Those who go even further to puff their chest out and make snarky comments about how foolish the advice they've been given, are arrogant and ignorant.
"
And the one that says it all:
"YEAH! I got my Momma to go to the knife shop for Christmas!!! ....cuz she doesn't know how many I already have! There's no way for me to be able to explain to her why I need this knife, but I do need it."
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What was the final ruling on this? Better to deep fry them in quenching oil?
I asked a question on here about bevel grins grits cuz I (not you) thought they looked wrong. Not bad or good. Wrong. I have not asked for input on style and I surely didn't ask anyone to insult the design. I don't care who anyone is. If they do t like what I like. That is a fact and therefore we disagree. I absolutely hate mike snody knife designs (as a person I actually don't mind him. He's kinda funny). But if he came by here and told me my knife design was absolutely terrible. I wouldn't listen to him. Nor do I have to. The same applies to anyone else.
I don't want to change the shape of my knife. Therefore, I don't have to. I'm not "at that age" where I don't have to (34). This applies to anyone. Guess who out of line. You guys.
I can like what ever I want and do whatever I want. I have a dresser that I built 15 years ago and I still love it and wouldn't change anything about it. Am I a professional dresser maker. No but I like what I did.
The main joy I get from knife making is being able to make what I want. You don't have the right to take that away from me no matter who you are.
Sorry you feel disrespected because I don't like your advice. You're going to have to get used to that. Not everyone is going to agree with you, no matter how good you get at making knives.
And to answer your question. I'm not dead yet. So I think the cheese sticks were fine.
I don't want to change the shape of my knife. Therefore, I don't have to. I'm not "at that age" where I don't have to (34). This applies to anyone. Guess who out of line. You guys.
I can like what ever I want and do whatever I want. I have a dresser that I built 15 years ago and I still love it and wouldn't change anything about it. Am I a professional dresser maker. No but I like what I did.
The main joy I get from knife making is being able to make what I want. You don't have the right to take that away from me no matter who you are.
Sorry you feel disrespected because I don't like your advice. You're going to have to get used to that. Not everyone is going to agree with you, no matter how good you get at making knives.
And to answer your question. I'm not dead yet. So I think the cheese sticks were fine.
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Wow, 34? I'd have guessed 14-16 at most. Your mom still buys your underwear when she makes trips to the knife store too, huh?
And what you are failing to realize is you do have the right to not listen, but not the right to be insulting back to the people you asked for advice. Much less make insulting comments about the talent of the entire forum. Wow.
Sorry Stacy, not trying to chide. Just absolutely gobsmacked that he is 34...
And what you are failing to realize is you do have the right to not listen, but not the right to be insulting back to the people you asked for advice. Much less make insulting comments about the talent of the entire forum. Wow.
Sorry Stacy, not trying to chide. Just absolutely gobsmacked that he is 34...
You sound very mature. Good job
I never insulted a persons work. I said, with thinking so rigidly inside the box like that, I assume you're knives must be boring and ugly. This was a remark regarding telling me I can't have a thumb ramp on my knife because it was said that it doesn't belong on a knife like mine (and it looks terrible). You reap what you sow.
I never asked to be criticized about my design. Like I said, I am dead set on the design and have been. I will make sure to post the knife up in the "show off section" so you can tell me how much you hate it there.
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Ok. Well, thank you... All the best! I hope your knifemaking career is a long and fruitful one.
Cheers!
-Eric
Cheers!
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You are extremely defensive. No one is saying that MUST do this or that to your knives and designs.
You are really coming across in a negative manner, at least from my point of view. I kinda feel like others probably see it the same way, but could be wrong.
I'm not in charge of what you do, but if I felt what you are saying I'd just leave the forum. Maybe not the site, but this forum. That would be an enormous loss in terms of your chance to learn and improve your knifemaking, but you seem to have a poor opinion about the gentlemen that are highly regarded by the vast majority of us.
Too bad because you started off on the right foot.
You are really coming across in a negative manner, at least from my point of view. I kinda feel like others probably see it the same way, but could be wrong.
I'm not in charge of what you do, but if I felt what you are saying I'd just leave the forum. Maybe not the site, but this forum. That would be an enormous loss in terms of your chance to learn and improve your knifemaking, but you seem to have a poor opinion about the gentlemen that are highly regarded by the vast majority of us.
Too bad because you started off on the right foot.
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