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MY C58 JD Smith confiscated!!
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beautiful knife, its a shame you lost it. im a fan of spyderco, and i think i may "need" to have this one 
http://www.gpknives.com/item/spyderco-jd-smith-foliage-green.html
http://www.gpknives.com/item/spyderco-jd-smith-foliage-green.html
complain about the law, not that it was enforced.
if it was unfairly enforced then sure, I would be pissed too. but you are responsible for knowing your laws and following them, no exceptions.
if you prefer they can fine you or throw you in jail for a while. and that fine is likely to be larger than the value of the knife. and david, Im sure youve heard that cliche; "ignorance of the law is no excuse". sometimes laws suck, but we still have to follow them. if we just follow the ones we like then we might as well not have any.
if it was unfairly enforced then sure, I would be pissed too. but you are responsible for knowing your laws and following them, no exceptions.
if you prefer they can fine you or throw you in jail for a while. and that fine is likely to be larger than the value of the knife. and david, Im sure youve heard that cliche; "ignorance of the law is no excuse". sometimes laws suck, but we still have to follow them. if we just follow the ones we like then we might as well not have any.
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That's just wrong.
Even though people are saying "he should have known" I really think it's insane they can take your property and not give it back. That is stealing.
What a bunch of BS.
Even though people are saying "he should have known" I really think it's insane they can take your property and not give it back. That is stealing.
What a bunch of BS.
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Just a guess on my part, but given that Mr. Smith a knifemaker perhaps what he's saying is that carrying a knife and/or related materials is allowed because it's directly tied to his profession. Along the lines of you can carry a hunting knife when you're hunting or on your way to/from such activity, maybe?
That said, I think it's a position that folks in a federal building would not be inclined to look on with much favor.
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Mr. Smith, that does suck. I know exactly what you mean. I ran into the SS office to get my wife an app for a replacement card with an all stainless Spyderco so old the clip was actually part of the handle(no screws). This being pre-911, the guards took my knife and put it in a plastic bag and gave me a ticket to claim it as I left. Remember these guards you are dealing with now were probably hired after 911 and think they are doing this country a service by taking people's TOOLS away from them. I say tools because my sister-in-law lost her scissors for cutting hair at the Austin airport and the only reason they searched her bag was because she had a one way ticket to Houston (literally a 10 min flight). I just hope these guards and defenders of the public show the same tenacity towards a real situation. That would make me feel better.
as a law abiding person I generally try to remember NOT to bring anything considered " a dangerous weapon" into a federal building ( I learned that lesson after I was turned away from a social security office for wanting to check-in a can of pepper spray- which consequently had been register in Manhattan upon purchase from a self defense store- don't ask me why pepper spray needs to be registered. The guard however gave me the choice to either " donate" it or leave the building- I chose the later.) Leaving aside the discussion of what is considered a " dangerous weapon," I find it hard to believe that a federal employee can confiscate a private citizen's property without giving him/her a "receipt of confiscation." Understanding the measures taken after 9/11, I still think that taking someone's property in this instance without giving them a receipt upon confiscation or the choice to walk out of the building verges on theft. Sorry you got robbed man.
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I hope you're not actually doing this or you meant something else.
If they were left to use their own judgement then the complaint would be that they treat people differently depending on the situation. And if one guard said it was OK you could sue them if another gaurd confiscated your item (would you put it past people?).
Its for the better that they follow the rule and treat all items and peoples equally. Maybe its not acting with sympathy, but it is fair.
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I almost always carry a knife longer than is legal to carry in my city (depending on who you ask about he law) .I always leave my knives in the car when I go into the post office and any federal buildings I do the same for courthouses and the like ,I hate to leave my tools but it is my understanding that they may keep what they find if they do not like it and they may keep me if they feel the need. I have a policy much like this with on my property you bring things I do not like you do not get them back. I think it is a shame they wouldn`t give you any options to keep your knife but I think you should have known better .
If anyone else gets caught in the same situation it may help to explain to the guard the value of the knife, whether it be sentimental value or monetary value. Who knows? They may take pity on you.
My friend was coming off work and was invited to the company suite at a sports arena for a basketball game. He forgot that he had his folding box cutter in his pocket. The guard stopped him and informed him he couldn't take the knife into the arena. He explained to the guard that he had totally forgot it was in his pocket because that's just what he carried to work everyday and he was just coming off shift. He further explained that he couldn't return it to his vehicle because he had carpooled in another employee's car and he had already entered the arena. He was very sincere and polite about it. The guard told him to leave it in his pocket and waved him in.
Oh, but your best bet is to leave it in the car.
My friend was coming off work and was invited to the company suite at a sports arena for a basketball game. He forgot that he had his folding box cutter in his pocket. The guard stopped him and informed him he couldn't take the knife into the arena. He explained to the guard that he had totally forgot it was in his pocket because that's just what he carried to work everyday and he was just coming off shift. He further explained that he couldn't return it to his vehicle because he had carpooled in another employee's car and he had already entered the arena. He was very sincere and polite about it. The guard told him to leave it in his pocket and waved him in.
Oh, but your best bet is to leave it in the car.
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This is how it makes me a "Knife Professional":
16-45 PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF KNIVES OR
SIMILAR WEAPONS
16-45.1 Carrying of Weapons Prohibited. No person, except as provided by law, shall carry on his
person, or carry under his control in a vehicle, any knife having any type of blade in excess of two and one-
half (2 1/2") inches, (except when actually engaged in hunting or fishing or [delete in going directly to
and/or returning directly from such activities, or any employment which requires the use of any type of
knife), end delete] any employment, trade or lawful recreational or culinary activity which customarily
involves the carrying or use of any type of knife, or (b) in going directly to and/or returning directly from
such activities, or (c) if the knife is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase, sharpening,
or repair, and if packaged in such a manner as not to allow easy access to the knife while it is being
transported), ice picks, dirks or similar weapons that are likely to penetrate through police officer's
ballistic vests, or other object or tool so redesigned, fashioned, prepared or treated that the same may be
used to inflict bodily harm or injury to another.
16-45.2 Distribution Exception. This section shall not apply to persons who, through entities or
establishments engaged in a recognized retail or wholesale business, are involved in the sale, purchase
or repair of knives for trade, sport, hobby or recreation, including without limitation persons engaged in
the transportation to or form such entities or establishments
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Mr. Smith,
I hate to break it to you, but nothing in the section you just provided gives you as a knifemaker the right to carry a prohibited knife on your person inside a Federal building. That is not to say I in any way agree with the confiscation of your knife. BTW, I am a big fan of your Spyderco collaboration! I have several of them.
Regards,
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If you read the last section, it says the law shall not apply to those in the business of knives, so I believe you are wrong and he is exempt.
But it comes down to interpretation, and I may have read it differently than you did.
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As well, know that the Commonwealth of Massachusettes confered upon me in a special ceremony at the state house, attended by the governor himself, the honor of "Master artisan and Craftsman" for guess what? My work in teaching the art and craft of...Bladesmithing!! (touch of irony) Yeah and Spyderco was nice enough to send me another; just got here a minute ago.
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I think you got a case 
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Read what I stated again, except this time, pay closer attention! "Nothing in the section you just provided gives you as a knifemaker the right to carry a prohibited knife on your person inside a Federal building."
Regards,
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16-45.2 Distribution Exception. This section shall not apply to persons who, through entities or
establishments engaged in a recognized retail or wholesale business, are involved in the sale, purchase
or repair of knives for trade, sport, hobby or recreation, including without limitation persons engaged in
the transportation to or form such entities or establishments
They clearly state that you are exempt only if you are transporting these knives for purposes of your business. "the transportation to or form such entities or establishments"
There's no case to be made for bringing a prohibited knife into a federal building, by this exemption.
As a Concealed Deadly Weapons permit holder, I too am prohibited from carry into certain places. I highly doubt there's anything you can do legally, unless they just give it back out of goodwill.
establishments engaged in a recognized retail or wholesale business, are involved in the sale, purchase
or repair of knives for trade, sport, hobby or recreation, including without limitation persons engaged in
the transportation to or form such entities or establishments
They clearly state that you are exempt only if you are transporting these knives for purposes of your business. "the transportation to or form such entities or establishments"
There's no case to be made for bringing a prohibited knife into a federal building, by this exemption.
As a Concealed Deadly Weapons permit holder, I too am prohibited from carry into certain places. I highly doubt there's anything you can do legally, unless they just give it back out of goodwill.
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That law nowhere specifically states that a federal building has different laws, so the same laws should apply, so if he is exempt standing outside the building and the building has the same laws as outside it, he should be exempt inside also.
If you can find the article of law stating "Possession of bladed weapon in federal building" and prove it's different, then he has been scammed out of a great knife.