My curiosity of Rough Rider, needs to be resolved...

I do thank you, sir, for your offer.... but I will pass. My belief is not that someone sending you a knife they believe is a good representation, or good specimen, is a good way to review a product. My view is, a random order from available online dealers, that is a better way to see what a product is like. Kind'a like gun reviews in gun magazines, where many guns are sent to the reviewer straight from the factory. Could they be sending what they believe is a "best" representation?... Very likely. But, one orders from a dealer, and they just pick it off their inventory shelf.... that is when one gets a random picked product that makes good for a review :) But still... a very nice offer that I appreciate, even though I will pass on accepting.
 
The variation in quality might also indicate different contractors making certain patterns. I really don't think these are all made in the same factory ( but this is only a guess).

Also I don't compare these $10 knives to higher priced knives....ie GEC , Queen or Case. IMO these brands are superior and each have attributes that make them unique as a brand.

There's also a difference between a knife looking as though it was poorly made versus one that looks as though it was hand finished. And this is one of the reasons I like GEC and Queen , they look hand finished. RR has a cookie cutter, machine made look about them while Case has a polished high level of F&F, look about them. ( this is only my perspective)

As far as collecting RR's , I collect them in a sense that I accumulate a bunch of different styles and patterns , not as heirlooms. I carry them all the time and have never felt short changed when it comes time to use one. IMO the only comparison would be to compare RR's to the knives they used to sell in hardware stores back in the 60's, the ones in the cardboard display for .99 cents. They were no nonsense working knives that you could break or lose without crying.
 
Having followed pocketjimmy's post his traditional collection is pretty sick! Lol. So if jimmy doesnt like the rr I can understand.

That said i definitely don't think any of their novelty-ish knives are indicative of what folks have generally been saying about the basic standard offerings in stockman, trapper, canoe patterns. I've gifted at least 4 and I have two for myself.

I do hope you get to try out one of their regular patterns. I'll just reiterate that their trapper pattern is excellent and their peanut pattern is quite good so far as a user knife and quality control goes!
 
Having followed pocketjimmy's post his traditional collection is pretty sick! Lol. So if jimmy doesnt like the rr I can understand.

That said i definitely don't think any of their novelty-ish knives are indicative of what folks have generally been saying about the basic standard offerings in stockman, trapper, canoe patterns. I've gifted at least 4 and I have two for myself.

I do hope you get to try out one of their regular patterns. I'll just reiterate that their trapper pattern is excellent and their peanut pattern is quite good so far as a user knife and quality control goes!

lol!!! :) I hope my RR review did not seem unfair.... I am picky, that is for sure, but will just as quickly tell my dissatisfaction on any other brand, (and have). Truth is, for the price, though I found some issues, I still like the little knife.... It's cute (that is my feminine side speaking there... I am man enough to admit that). A little Flitz removed the rust, and when I used a jewelery polishing cloth to wipe down the entire miniscule knife, it toned down the very ugly applied "china" marking (it was unintentional). It is still there (I do not want to remove it), but it's very faint now (and that's just fine with me). It made it into my collection, and I have recently rejected some knives from making it into my collection because they did not make the cut. So, not perfect... but nice enough overall to be placed in with my other knives. Again, as I mentioned before... she's a cute little bugger :)
 
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On occasion, the stars align and I go to a gun show and there will be a few knife dealers there. My favorites are a couple of old f@rts that come with buckets of old knives from estate and garage sales, but there knives are about double what they should be price wise, and sometimes about half what they should be quality wise.

That being said, I have had a great chance to inspect different models from different vendors that represent domestic and offshore (Italy, Germany, China, Taiwan R.O.C., Argentina, etc.) knives side by side with their counterparts. Even when being a bit silly about things and actually comparing a $10 RR with a $125 GEC, the RRs do pretty well. With five GECs of one model lined up on a table for all to see you will find the standard complaints: off centered blades, gaps in springs, too much/not enough snap, poor fit, poor edges, and bad finish. Same with their sister knives.

Actually, it's the same with just about all knives if one is being fair about things. Not every knife is perfect.

At a show about six months ago the GEC dealer was pretty perturbed because there was a new dealer selling RR knives. He told me he had never (swearing he wasn't lying to me the whole time) seen a RR in person. As a hardened knife snob, he may have been telling the truth. He was pretty blown away with the quality, fit and finish, and didn't like the price point one bit. The GEC dealer probably had 7 - 8 different GEC patterns on the table along with a few Northfields and a Moore Maker or two as economy knives. The Rough Rider vendor had about 25 patterns on the table with different scales on some of them. The RR vendor chose wisely, and the patterns he displayed looked more like a table of CASE knives from 30 years ago than a group of RRs. All were really traditional including stockmen, canoes, more stockmen, sod busters, toothpicks, hunters, jacks, and on an on.

The GEC vendor bad mouthed RR really hard and long, but never got the idea that comparing a knife that costs 1/10th (or less!) of his knives was silly. They should never, ever, be able to compete in any way to begin with, much less hold their own. A knife that costs TEN times as much should be at least FIVE times better, right? Having the two knives side by side and seeing a volume comparison, not just one of this one and one of that one, the RRs couldn't be beat on all the points we consider to be hallmarks of a good knife.

I own three different RRs now and have gifted plenty. One wasn't a good knife, period. No worse than some of the stuff we see here, but I didn't like it at all. It ground when it opened and was rough when it closed. I know that isn't much to many here, but that's just sloppy work to me, so I wouldn't accept it. I contacted the dealer, he said to keep it as a tool box knife and he sent me a new one right away. So one out of a bunch with an easy resolution isn't bad. The folks I gifted the RRs to (those poor knives...) use the heck out of them and bring them back to me for sharpening. They have been showed no mercy, and they seem to hold up really well. There are some cracked scales from being dropped too many times, a broken point on one, a bent blade on one (I bent it back in a vise), and one that was over torqued so it doesn't close well. Overall, they are job site worthy.

I think they represent a heckuva lot of value and the have turned out to be good tools to boot.

Robert
 
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On the recommendations of many of you here, including LEOGREG's offer to even send me one of his own RR canoes to better see what RR has to offer, I have placed an order for another RR. The knife will be a Rough Rider model 472 canoe. Order was placed at a random online vendor, so it will also be a randomly picked specimen. When I receive it, I will give it my inspection, and of course share my view of it with you good folks. If it fairs well, it will be the second RR in my knife collection. At about $9 total shipped and all, even if it does not fair very well, no big loss... and my curiosity of RR will likely be fully resolved ;)

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I'm liking the "green venom" celluloid?? handles I saw recently.
I can't seem to find a website of any substance for RR like with this years models ,handles etc.
Could this be symptomatic of JDP1998 s not the same factory theory?I wonder.
 
I'm liking the "green venom" celluloid?? handles I saw recently.
I can't seem to find a website of any substance for RR like with this years models ,handles etc.
Could this be symptomatic of JDP1998 s not the same factory theory?I wonder.


I wonder too how these are produced, single source or multiple sources. One thing I did notice.... and that is the staggering choices... makes ones head spin!... lol! ;)
 
I've also bought a few knives with other popular brand names like Remington, and they are constructed very similarly to RR.
 
I just like to know where things are made.I do not like obfuscation.
I have several rough riders -they're cheap and they are mainly good.
They also say where they're made without referring to possible hints at other places of manufacture left over from before that company was bought out and moved its production offshore .
 
Kevin Pipes owns the name Rough Rider. Call and ask him where the line is made. Some of the fixed blades are made in different countries for sure. I personally think that the slip joints are made in one factory.

Regards

Robin
 
A few years ago a friend gave me an RR to try out. He specifically asked me to use/abuse as hard as I reasonably could. You can read my review here, Post #546. I now keep a carton of these in the kitchen drawer at the farm and when they get dull I give them to local help. Why use an expensive custom for these chores when you can get this kind of performance and value!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-amp-Related-Slipjoints?p=9118409#post9118409

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celluloid??

It is Acrylic :-), the same stuff used to stabilize the wood and bone covers on my Soupbone and Walnut Charlows. No more celluloid afaik.

fwiw, the american knife company SMKW owns Rough Rider, and imo they do a great job of copying popular Case patterns, among others.

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I recently sought confirmation from GEC regarding their use of stabilized materials. Apparently I had misunderstood an earlier conversation. GEC informs me that:
"The only thing we use that is stabilized is Primitive Bone. All the rest of our bone is not stabilized nor are most of the woods"

I will be preparing several delicious servings of figurative Crow, no birds will be harmed during my re-education. I apologize if anyone was misled by my earlier posts that claimed all GEC bone is stabilized. At this point I dont even know if the CheChen is stabilized or not. Feel free to just ignore anything I say until I graduate from knife materials 101, sometime next year maybe.
 
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It is Acrylic :-), the same stuff used to stabilize the wood and bone covers on my Soupbone and Walnut Charlows. No more celluloid afaik.

fwiw, the american knife company SMKW owns Rough Rider, and imo they do a great job of copying popular Case patterns, among others.

Yeah, and Case copied the majority of their patterns from countries such as England (Sheffield), Germany (Soligen), and others - France and Italy perhaps. The USA does not have a lock on the production of traditional knives. Just ask Jimmy who has recently purchased French and Italian knives. Of course I buy mostly USA produced knives but I don't hesitate to drop a dime on a knife if I like it regardless of the country of origin.
 
yeah, and case copied the majority of their patterns from countries such as england (sheffield), germany (soligen), and others - france and italy perhaps. The usa does not have a lock on the production of traditional knives.

gmta. ;)

fwiw, most traditional "american" patterns were (copied) from england, germany or other european origins.
 
I saw your post early in this thread Elliott but in a thread this long, a reminder is in order every 6 pages or so.:)

Best to Skyler.
 
Hey, was not Abe Lincoln's congress pattern knife, a European made specimen?... So, I guess I'll get a few from here and there... it keeps things interesting and diverse ;-) I had to laugh today while admiring my recent Queen Cutlery mother of pearl w/abalone inlay knife. It cost me $150 shipped... which with careful shopping, could have fetched me about 15 to 20 Rough Rider knives. The difference in prices are sooo far apart, it blows my mind!
 
The RR won't be a Queen Jimmy but I don't think you could have made a better choice than one of the sawcut bone series.
Some may think the fluted bolsters are a bit much but personally I find they add a rich looking touch hard to find these days even on premium knives. If it's too bright and shiny for your taste, as it is for mine, a couple of minutes with 000 or 0000 steel wool tones it down a bit.
Hope you like it!
- Greg
 
The RR won't be a Queen Jimmy but I don't think you could have made a better choice than one of the sawcut bone series.
Some may think the fluted bolsters are a bit much but personally I find they add a rich looking touch hard to find these days even on premium knives. If it's too bright and shiny for your taste, as it is for mine, a couple of minutes with 000 or 0000 steel wool tones it down a bit.
Hope you like it!
- Greg

lol!.. too much bling, no prob... I will likely appreciate that! Again, keeps things interesting :-) I have seen pics of that saw cut bone... and I gotta admit, it does look great in pics, and hoping it looks as good in hand :-) I do want to thank you again for your previous offer to send me one of your knives, sir! :-)
 
This was a very interesting thread to me. I now have 5 RRs in my possession:

  1. Turquoise Peanut (fake turquoise)
  2. Utility or camp knife
  3. Moonshiner Canoe
  4. Whittler
  5. Dog Bone Jack

Over the next few days, I'll take some pictures and start a new thread where I compare 4 of these with a comparable Case and/or other maker. The DBJ, I'll simply review as I own nothing comparable.

Thanks, Jimmy for the thread. You raised my curiosity as well. :)
 
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