My Knife Spooked My Co-worker

Well said Docta, I have been unsettled since this thread started over some of the pervasive beliefs espoused and the alarming complacency exhibited by some members of a knife forum. If knife and/or gun advocates start to display such cavalier attitudes we are even closer to the brink than thought.
Knife and/or Gun Forums are EXACTLY the place for such discussion. Should it be done with respect and civility? Absolutely. But, it is most important that it be done. Failure to accept the role and stewardship is to be avoided at all costs. If WE don't do it - Who do we expect will take up the guide on and protect the rights of ALL Americans?
The only reason there are rules about such discussions ( I would imagine) is to rule against the abusive language and intolerant opinions that often accompany such debate.
Assuming most (preferably ALL) can conduct themselves in a mature and deliberate manner - such important discussions MUST happen.
So, here is to our Country, Our Rights, Our Forum and its Members (especially the Moderators) CHEERS!
 
Bobby Branton said:
What we have here is a whole generation of young people who were brought up to fear knives and guns instead of teaching them how to respect them. That makes our job as knifemakers and collectors to try to re educate these young people who have now become adults. Get ready, there is a whole new generation coming up that will be taught the same thing. Our job will become even harder.
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I agree. Zero tolerance policies at schools are a problem. If you've been conditioned to think that any knife is a weapon for the entire 12 years, it's kinda tough to think otherwise.

We do need to educate them, and in my mind that means explaining to them nicely instead of making smart aleck remarks and being nasty.
 
Wolfjohn said:
Actually, yes, I still carry my Emerson and will continue to use it in my work (it's a machine shop) and she now stays at her end of the complex in the office area doing her clerical work. She has told a few people she overreacted but I'm sure I'll never hear a word of that. We have quite a few collectors/knifemakers in our shop and all of them carry too. It was a case of bad timing I suppose. I do know that she was told quite firmly by management to not disregard the safety signs posted and not enter the rotating machine area anymore without proper safety equipment (i.e safety shoes with steel toes, and safety eyewear with sideshields) which she had neither so, in saying that, I think there were more risk in disregarding that issue than my knife ever being a so-called "Threat" as it was being shown to a co-worker.
As far as the Traveler, it's perfect, I do use it often although, I still think I will go back to carrying my MACH I that I've carried since 2000 in the same shop........without incident.:rolleyes::p
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WOW...I can't believe a knife became an issue in a MACHINE SHOP! I was thinking it was in some sort of white collar office or some such. I'm glad it is working out OK.
I've bought a couple of Emersons for my son, but don't have one myself. I love the Wave feature, and like the looks of the Traveler. Maybe I'll pick one up someday.
Good'ay to ya.
 
Holy Crap! A Machine Shop. I'm speechless..... ok, that passed.
Made her presence in a Machine Shop sans the required safety gear mandated by OSHA (a Government Agency) but intended to protect the worker from serious injury, the Employer from serious litigation and the insurance industry from serious loss.... Yet the pocket knife was seen as the "Threat". Interesting.
Anyway.....
 
Yeah, I think this entire thread would have moved in a better direction if you'd mentioned you worked in a machine shop from the get go :thumbup:.
 
rubiconss said:
Holy Crap! A Machine Shop. I'm speechless..... ok, that passed.
Made her presence in a Machine Shop sans the required safety gear mandated by OSHA (a Government Agency) but intended to protect the worker from serious injury, the Employer from serious litigation and the insurance industry from serious loss.... Yet the pocket knife was seen as the "Threat". Interesting.
Anyway.....
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Oh, the irony of the busy-body! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
 
rubiconss said:
Welcome. Well said, Speaking strictly personally... I do not believe and never have that gender or political affiliation should have much if anything to do with common sense - You obviously are blessed with a healthy dose.
Enjoyed reading your post, hopefully more to follow:)
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Oh how you are wrong !! One's political ideology directly represents their common sense. ALL political ideologies stem one from two schools of thought:

1) You have been provided the tools of success and we (the government) will stand aside and allow you to prepare for your own future without interference. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again.
2) You have the right to prepare for you future with strict guidelines, and if you need help, we (the governement) will bail you out as many times as needed. You will not learn from you mistakes, and others will learn from you that failing is not a lesson to learn from.

Common sense tells you which you prefer. Can anybody tell me of a successful country that has existed happily with a socialistic government and hasn't ended with Civil war/world war ?

As a side note.... When I was in High School my Principle called me down to the office because he needed a pocket knife as he left his at home. He was to open a box and didn't have a "tool" to open it. He thought nothing of asking if a student had one. Had no problem with it at all...

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bush-haus said:
As a side note.... When I was in High School my Principle called me down to the office because he needed a pocket knife as he left his at home. He was to open a box and didn't have a "tool" to open it. He thought nothing of asking if a student had one. Had no problem with it at all...
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Beckerhead #32
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Yeah, I miss 'dem good ole days too. It is amazing how much things have changed in a relatively short time.
My dad use to bring his hunting gun to school with him, so that he could hunt on the way to and from school. Just propped it up in the back of the room...my, how things have changed.
 
DoctaD said:
Yeah, I miss 'dem good ole days too. It is amazing how much things have changed in a relatively short time.
My dad use to bring his hunting gun to school with him, so that he could hunt on the way to and from school. Just propped it up in the back of the room...my, how things have changed.
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Same with my father in law (58) and this was in Atwater, CA.
 
Half true old man...

QUOTE=Bobby Branton;9300772]What we have here is a whole generation of young people who were brought up to fear knives and guns instead of teaching them how to respect them. That makes our job as knifemakers and collectors to try to re educate these young people who have now become adults. Get ready, there is a whole new generation coming up that will be taught the same thing. Our job will become even harder.
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Makes no fucking sense but shows just how far down the toilet the quality of the average american has come. Well, all (formerly) anglo nations for that matter. That co-worker is just typical of the vast majority of lemmings; child-like, craven cowards who hide behind authority to abuse others. She sounds like a tattle tale school girl. "I'm gonna tell the teacher, you drew a picture of Hitler!"

Actually very surprising it was only 'teacher', and not 911.
 
bush-haus said:
Oh how you are wrong !! One's political ideology directly represents their common sense. ALL political ideologies stem one from two schools of thought:

1) You have been provided the tools of success and we (the government) will stand aside and allow you to prepare for your own future without interference. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again.
2) You have the right to prepare for you future with strict guidelines, and if you need help, we (the governement) will bail you out as many times as needed. You will not learn from you mistakes, and others will learn from you that failing is not a lesson to learn from.

Common sense tells you which you prefer. Can anybody tell me of a successful country that has existed happily with a socialistic government and hasn't ended with Civil war/world war ?

As a side note.... When I was in High School my Principle called me down to the office because he needed a pocket knife as he left his at home. He was to open a box and didn't have a "tool" to open it. He thought nothing of asking if a student had one. Had no problem with it at all...

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Beckerhead #32
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I have on occasion - been wrong. This does not happen to be one of them. IF you had read what I said..... I said Ones Gender or Political affiliation should not have much if anything to do with their common sense.
I did not say in practical application it does not turn out that way.
 
I read it a few times actually. Practical applications is what I am referring to as I don't live in any fantasy worlds. Common sense drives ideology. That is a simple concept that can't be disputed.
 
bush-haus said:
Common sense drives ideology.
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No it doesn't.
Emotion drives ideology, and people then spew forth justifications to attempt to make it seem logical.
Self-justification pure and simple.
Common sense has nothing to do with it.
 
bush-haus said:
Oh how you are wrong !! One's political ideology directly represents their common sense. ALL political ideologies stem one from two schools of thought:

1) You have been provided the tools of success and we (the government) will stand aside and allow you to prepare for your own future without interference. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again.
2) You have the right to prepare for you future with strict guidelines, and if you need help, we (the governement) will bail you out as many times as needed. You will not learn from you mistakes, and others will learn from you that failing is not a lesson to learn from.

Common sense tells you which you prefer. Can anybody tell me of a successful country that has existed happily with a socialistic government and hasn't ended with Civil war/world war ?

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Beckerhead #32
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And can you list a non-socialist country that has ended that doesnt end in civil war/world war?
 
stabman said:
No it doesn't.
Emotion drives ideology, and people then spew forth justifications to attempt to make it seem logical.
Self-justification pure and simple.
Common sense has nothing to do with it.
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Still more BS. Your sense drives ALL decisions you make. Emotion is but a piece of the pie that makes up your sense. Your morals and values come from this hence the word "Common." Again a simple concept that can't be disputed!
 
bush-haus said:
Still more BS.
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Well, you're demonstrating that you have nothing of substance to bring to the table with comments like this.
You've also inadvertantly proven my point about the emotional nature of ideology, as you're resorting to emotion driven language.
So, thanks for proving my point.:thumbup:
 
By saying that only emotion drives your decisions is very wrong. That is disregarding any education one has towards the subject. My parents taught me values. They come to me naturally with injection of pure emotion. Sure it plays a part but my political values come to me naturally. I don't have to be emotionally evoked to decide my values.
 
bush-haus said:
I read it a few times actually. Practical applications is what I am referring to as I don't live in any fantasy worlds. Common sense drives ideology. That is a simple concept that can't be disputed.
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Sir, I learned many years ago that simply stating an opinion more loudly, more demonstrably and ending with "this can not be disputed" ...... does not make what prefaced - True, nor does it make it anything remotely close to indisputable.
If you care to debate Philosophy it is both a lifelong passion of mine and one of my degree fields so, have at it.
 
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