My Knife Spooked My Co-worker

Sep said:
You are missing the point.

Agreeing with "knives don't kill, people do" is agreeing with "guided missiles don't kill, people do". An explosive doesn't explode by itself if it's properly maintained, and if it isn't then the owner is at fault. As long as we insist that the problem is only with people, then logically there should not be restriction of ownership to any weapon. The most dangerous weapon in the world won't kill if the owner is competent and good, right?

Besides, insisting only on people can backfire. Let's say I take the argument that "knives don't kill, people do" at face value. If I propose a legislation that requires a permit (and background check) to carry a knife, you can't say no because I'm tackling the people problem. I'm making an effort to keep bad people away from carrying knives. Just like handguns, ownership of knives at home or place of business would not require a permit, but it would everywhere else.

Let's be reasonable here.

Switchblades and balisongs got prohibited because old school gangbangers used them. The last thing we need now is a jerk carrying a tactical knife scaring the ladies. That's not gonna end good.
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You fail to see the fallacy that you are repeating. Registration... permits... knives must be stored in their blocks with a steel cable lock running through the hole in the tang? And what exactly would keep me from breaking the law and carrying a knife outside the house without a permit? A fine... possibly a week in the pokey? I prolly have at least 5 arrests for CA PC653k (switchblades/balisongs over 2") alone. Did that ever stop me? I'm not a violent criminal either.

You get it now?
 
ThePharce said:
Charlie, we really need to get you moved to Tennessee!
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I stopped carrying autos when I rediscovered waved knives a few years ago :D

I lived in TN for a while... technically. I was stationed at Ft. Campbell.
 
Half of these comments make me want to puke... Never thought I would see some of this crap here of all places
 
Sep said:
I really dislike the "knives don't kill, people do" line.
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Ok, fine.
How about "murderers murder people."
It's true you know.
They do it with sticks.
They do it with pens.
They do it with rocks, ketchup bottles, and bats.
And yes, they do it with knives. And guns.
But the bottom line is that they are murderers.

I have an idea, lets get some laws and company regulations against murder...
 
Charlie Mike said:
I stopped carrying autos when I rediscovered waved knives a few years ago :D

I lived in TN for a while... technically. I was stationed at Ft. Campbell.
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Yeah, but you get back over here and we'll get you hanging out with pat crawford and James yaeger...good times!
 
Charlie Mike said:
You fail to see the fallacy that you are repeating. Registration... permits... knives must be stored in their blocks with a steel cable lock running through the hole in the tang? And what exactly would keep me from breaking the law and carrying a knife outside the house without a permit? A fine... possibly a week in the pokey? I prolly have at least 5 arrests for CA PC653k (switchblades/balisongs over 2") alone. Did that ever stop me? I'm not a violent criminal either.

You get it now?
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Please reread it again.

I'm not advocating that we require permit for knives. I'm saying that if we keep insisting that it's all just people problem, then they can start controlling which people can legally own knives. They have done it to handguns, so they can very much do it to knives too if we're not careful.

The point I'm trying to make is that I dislike absolutes. Saying a knife is nothing but a tool is just as silly as saying it's nothing but a weapon. A knife is both, so there are responsibilities attached to its carry. I count being nice and considerate as part of my responsibility as a knife carrier.

They say with freedom comes responsibility. If you can't handle the responsibility, then the freedom will be taken away.
 
Wolfjohn said:
You lost me on the part about the box...where did that come from ? Give you a break eh?... pretty judgemental for someone who wasn't even there and doesn't even ask what my "job" really is...and you need to research just what an Emerson Traveler size is~ the knife is not a machete, and it's about the same size of a lot of frequently carried knives........ I hope you're never picked to be on someone's jury.....they'd be doomed instantly.:confused:
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Tell anyone to go read about emerson knives..the arent shown on there for their excellent box opening qualities. I own an emerson and I always carry a larger knife on me as well. Don't come and tell me Emerson's are built as utility knives. Of course they can be used as such, but they are certainly "tactical" in nature. Because as such, you should understand that some people may be intimidated by their looks. Those same looks are attractive to you (and me for that matter) but not to everyone. I think that is something that should be respected. As for the Jury comment, lets just say most people would want me on their side rather than you ;):thumbup:
 
Try not using your knife for show and tell at work. Keep it in your pocket. Problem solved.
Sheeple suck. But you drew attention to yourself. Luckily I work outdoors all year. And I get to scare customers with my machete...
 
Duuuude!

The whole concept of controlling who can/can't own/carry a knife is insane. The people who shouldn't have them will get them somehow. Just like how felons like me aren't allowed to own guns. I could have a gun delivered in maybe 3 hours if I wanted one. I won't get a gun because it will land me in federal prison if I get caught with one. Staying out of jail/prison is important to me because I have a future. There are countless thugs out there that don't give a crap about the consequences. These are the very same people who do things that are wrong with weapons that "your" laws prohibit them from owning.
 
stabman said:
Ok, fine.
How about "murderers murder people."
It's true you know.
They do it with sticks.
They do it with pens.
They do it with rocks, ketchup bottles, and bats.
And yes, they do it with knives. And guns.
But the bottom line is that they are murderers.

I have an idea, lets get some laws and company regulations against murder...
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If a murderer has no tool whatsoever to kill (not even his limbs nor teeth), can he kill people simply by willing it?

You are arguing that means don't matter, only intent. I have to disagree. To get something done you need both the will and the tool.
 
Sep said:
If a murderer has no tool whatsoever to kill (not even his limbs nor teeth), can he kill people simply by willing it?
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But I listed common household AND workplace items which are perfectly suited to inflict death in the hands of a murderer.
Here's another one; scissors.
I'm not a murderer, so it doesn't matter if I carry a knife.
We don't let murderers walk around once know to be so and just restrict what they can have; we lock them up because we know that murderers will murder people.
Just don't be a murderer.
And try not to act in ways which cause others to suspect you of being a murderer. That's all you can do.

Unless of course you're advocating that we are to be stripped of teeth and limbs...one could certainly get that impression from the quoted section above.
 
So do you propose amputating the limbs and extracting the teeth of all those who you deem as potential murderers? We are ALL potential murderers.

oops... stabman beat me to it
 
Thalestin said:
Tell anyone to go read about emerson knives..the arent shown on there for their excellent box opening qualities. I own an emerson and I always carry a larger knife on me as well. Don't come and tell me Emerson's are built as utility knives. Of course they can be used as such, but they are certainly "tactical" in nature. Because as such, you should understand that some people may be intimidated by their looks. Those same looks are attractive to you (and me for that matter) but not to everyone. I think that is something that should be respected. As for the Jury comment, lets just say most people would want me on their side rather than you ;):thumbup:
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"Most people would want me on their side rather than you "...wow, no modesty there....:rolleyes:
 
stabman said:
But I listed common household AND workplace items which are perfectly suited to inflict death in the hands of a murderer.
Here's another one; scissors.
I'm not a murderer, so it doesn't matter if I carry a knife.
We don't let murderers walk around once know to be so and just restrict what they can have; we lock them up because we know that murderers will murder people.
Just don't be a murderer.
And try not to act in ways which cause others to suspect you of being a murderer. That's all you can do.

Unless of course you're advocating that we are to be stripped of teeth and limbs...one could certainly get that impression from the quoted section above.
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Charlie Mike said:
So do you propose amputating the limbs and extracting the teeth of all those who you deem as potential murderers? We are ALL potential murderers.

oops... stabman beat me to it
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I specifically said that saying a knife is nothing but a tool is as silly as saying it's nothing but a weapon. Both extremes are wrong, in my opinion. Without the will, nothing will ever happen. Without the tool, nothing will happen either.

Since we can't get a society free of weapons, then we lock up or execute murderers. Since we can't get a society free of murderers, then we put some restrictions on weapons.

I don't know whether it's intentional, but you totally skipped my examples of total freedom of weapons. If tools don't matter, then there should be no such thing as illegal possession. As long as I'm competent and legally sane, I should be allowed to own high explosives. I'm not a murderer, so by your logic I can have any "tool" I want.

Maybe I'm not being clear or this line was missed: I fully support our right to carry knives. I simply don't like silly phrases like "Knives don't kill, people do". In my opinion those words make us sound insincere, thus not helping our effort to convince NKP that carrying knives are ok.
 
Sep said:
I simply don't like silly phrases like "Knives don't kill, people do". In my opinion those words make us sound insincere
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As part of an explanation it really doesn't.
Used to verbally slap people down it does.
It can be used both ways.
 
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