My Knife Spooked My Co-worker

[Nathan Ihrke]

Yeah, my bad...I wish I'd kept this one to myself, it's obviously a powderkeg...

Lol, it may have been your thread that brought it to the surface but I feel the same way as you as far as the original post so i cant really blame you dor anything. Plus people should be responsible cor their own words. In one way it is good to know that folks like this are actually on the forum, I'll watch what I say a little more to prevent pointless persecution :jerkit:

 

[Luis G.]

It's obvious you don't know that the US Supreme Court has made some terrible decisions, like the Dred Scot decision, that lead to the Civil War. It's not uncommon for them to reverse their own decisions. You sure don't sound like a lawyer, and watching a bit of one of your Youtube videos, it's all but certain that you aren't. Your opinions on legal matters are nothing more than uninformed opinions, at best. And your conclusions based on your lack of knowledge of how the US Supreme Court has interpreted the US Constitution is laughable at best, and I'm trying to be charitable when I say laughable. At this point, you have become a bit of an irritant, and nothing more. Have an enjoyable evening.

While I should stand aside, I simply won't when the majority of the people will not stand down either.

First off Folderguy, who should be running the country? Please don't go off on Republican, Democratic, or Independent stereotypes, because Republicans/Democrats have each done their part in destroying the country (only to be saved by Socialism- gasp, surprise).

My US History/Government teacher talked to us about a political historian who said quite simply. USA is heading or a Socialist system, and in fact every single self sustaining government in the world HAS been heading towards a Socialist system (some are already there and are thriving).

Remember when you point the finger, four are pointing right back.

@Lol at the "The second american revolution video".
The guy is a complete ignorant prick, we are not outsourcing our high tech products to China and other countries because USA simply isn't smart. We are outsourcing because we Americans are simply greedy, so we want good inexpensive products, USA labor laws/typical wages make it impossible to do many mass manufacturing jobs profitably in the USA. Not even apple the most over priced high tech vendor can do Made in the USA. In fact there are absolutely no mass produced, made in the USA laptops, or desktops. All components, and assembly are down in foreign soil. You know what? That's okay with me because I know 100% if they were made here quality would be drop dead bad for the price we have computers @ now. I have experience with American assembled computers, let's just say they are several notches below Chinese products.

 

[DoctaD]

This thread about knives in the workplace motivated me to give 3 of my female employees pocket knives to use at work. They were thrilled!

 

[Charlie Mike]

This thread about knives in the workplace motivated me to give 3 of my female employees pocket knives to use at work. They were thrilled!

:thumbup:

If you can't beat em, get em to join you!

 

[Folderguy]

While I should stand aside, I simply won't when the majority of the people will not stand down either.

First off Folderguy, who should be running the country? Please don't go off on Republican, Democratic, or Independent stereotypes, because Republicans/Democrats have each done their part in destroying the country (only to be saved by Socialism- gasp, surprise).

My US History/Government teacher talked to us about a political historian who said quite simply. USA is heading or a Socialist system, and in fact every single self sustaining government in the world HAS been heading towards a Socialist system (some are already there and are thriving).

Remember when you point the finger, four are pointing right back.

Well, well, well... so you're a socialist??

That a great many professors these days (if you're in college) are socialist or socialist-leaning is no surprise to me. Heck, we have one who is running the show, right? Or at least he would like to be. However, since you mention the "majority of people," the most recent elections are eloguent in who they turned out of federal office.

And yes, I think you would do well to "stand down" on the legal issues, for you obviously are not up to speed yet.

 

[Folderguy]

This thread about knives in the workplace motivated me to give 3 of my female employees pocket knives to use at work. They were thrilled!

+1:thumbup:

 

[Luis G.]

Well, well, well... so you're a socialist??

That a great many professors these days (if you're in college) are socialist or socialist-leaning is no surprise to me. Heck, we have one who is running the show, right? Or at least he would like to be. However, since you mention the "majority of people," the most recent elections are eloguent in who they turned out of federal office.

And yes, I think you would do well to "stand down" on the legal issues, for you obviously are not up to speed yet.

Liberal. But sure Socialist could also do considering that's were we are headed given America's circumstances at the present.
Perhaps you are not aware but most of the agencies handling Social matters are founded on Socialist ideals. Welfare, Healthcare, Social Security, Food stamps, etc etc. Socialist changes started long before this administration. Oh hey Charlie posted a picture of the guy responsible for the many Socialist changes made, such as Social Security and of course famously his plan to help end the Great Depression (apart from WWII, which really did it).

Anyways this will be my last post on these forums, it is quite apparent one cannot have a civil conversation without people resorting to personal attacks, broad fallacies, god references, and non linear logic.

 

[DoctaD]

Well, Wolfjohn, since the Thread has devolved into all of us being uncivilized, fallacious, religious fanatical,irrational folk...
I'd like to rein it back in, and ask a few things...

How is it at work now? Have things settled down? Any more discussions with the coworker or employers? Are you still carrying the Traveler? And, How does the Traveler compare to your other Emersons? Which is your favorite of all?

 

[Folderguy]

Liberal. But sure Socialist could also do considering that's were we are headed given America's circumstances at the present.
Perhaps you are not aware but most of the agencies handling Social matters are founded on Socialist ideals. Welfare, Healthcare, Social Security, Food stamps, etc etc. Socialist changes started long before this administration. Oh hey Charlie posted a picture of the guy responsible for the many Socialist changes made, such as Social Security and of course famously his plan to help end the Great Depression (apart from WWII, which really did it).

Anyways this will be my last post on these forums, it is quite apparent one cannot have a civil conversation without people resorting to personal attacks, broad fallacies, god references, and non linear logic.

Hmmm... personal attacks, huh? Must have missed that.

Broad fallacies? Hmmm... check the mirror.

God references? Whatever happened to Free Speech and the 1st Amendment?

Non linear logic? That's a new one on me. Pray tell, please explain that.

 

[Thalestin]

"Most people would want me on their side rather than you "...wow, no modesty there....

Nope, likewise.

 

[Wolfjohn]

Well, Wolfjohn, since the Thread has devolved into all of us being uncivilized, fallacious, religious fanatical,irrational folk...
I'd like to rein it back in, and ask a few things...

How is it at work now? Have things settled down? Any more discussions with the coworker or employers? Are you still carrying the Traveler? And, How does the Traveler compare to your other Emersons? Which is your favorite of all?

Actually, yes, I still carry my Emerson and will continue to use it in my work (it's a machine shop) and she now stays at her end of the complex in the office area doing her clerical work. She has told a few people she overreacted but I'm sure I'll never hear a word of that. We have quite a few collectors/knifemakers in our shop and all of them carry too. It was a case of bad timing I suppose. I do know that she was told quite firmly by management to not disregard the safety signs posted and not enter the rotating machine area anymore without proper safety equipment (i.e safety shoes with steel toes, and safety eyewear with sideshields) which she had neither so, in saying that, I think there were more risk in disregarding that issue than my knife ever being a so-called "Threat" as it was being shown to a co-worker.
As far as the Traveler, it's perfect, I do use it often although, I still think I will go back to carrying my MACH I that I've carried since 2000 in the same shop........without incident.

 

[Bobby Branton]

What we have here is a whole generation of young people who were brought up to fear knives and guns instead of teaching them how to respect them. That makes our job as knifemakers and collectors to try to re educate these young people who have now become adults. Get ready, there is a whole new generation coming up that will be taught the same thing. Our job will become even harder.
BB

 

[RubiconSS]

While I should stand aside, I simply won't when the majority of the people will not stand down either.

First off Folderguy, who should be running the country? Please don't go off on Republican, Democratic, or Independent stereotypes, because Republicans/Democrats have each done their part in destroying the country (only to be saved by Socialism- gasp, surprise).

My US History/Government teacher talked to us about a political historian who said quite simply. USA is heading or a Socialist system, and in fact every single self sustaining government in the world HAS been heading towards a Socialist system (some are already there and are thriving).

Remember when you point the finger, four are pointing right back.

@Lol at the "The second american revolution video".
The guy is a complete ignorant prick, we are not outsourcing our high tech products to China and other countries because USA simply isn't smart. We are outsourcing because we Americans are simply greedy, so we want good inexpensive products, USA labor laws/typical wages make it impossible to do many mass manufacturing jobs profitably in the USA. Not even apple the most over priced high tech vendor can do Made in the USA. In fact there are absolutely no mass produced, made in the USA laptops, or desktops. All components, and assembly are down in foreign soil. You know what? That's okay with me because I know 100% if they were made here quality would be drop dead bad for the price we have computers @ now. I have experience with American assembled computers, let's just say they are several notches below Chinese products.

SUPER! Something to Agree on. Just saw the post where he proclaimed his "Last post on these Forums" due to his feelings being hurt, funny. This was just after I read the post where he quoted one of his "teachers" that answered all the questions I had right there and reminded me of where we are at with our educational system in this Country. God help us all.

 

[RubiconSS]

What we have here is a whole generation of young people who were brought up to fear knives and guns instead of teaching them how to respect them. That makes our job as knifemakers and collectors to try to re educate these young people who have now become adults. Get ready, there is a whole new generation coming up that will be taught the same thing. Our job will become even harder.
BB

Yes, ignorance is a contagion it spreads by generation. Many things (that matter) are no longer taught (no longer allowed to be taught) in the school. The Family as it was once known no longer exists as the norm in this country.
It is only a matter of very little time before what remains is gone as well.
So will follow the things some of us on this Forum hold dear, the list is long and not necessary to list because the ones who understand already know and the ones who do not - it doesn't matter. Our Rights beget our privledges - the relationship is unmistakable but not always acknowledged.
Rights were written down and should be guarded not because of emotional attachment BUT exactly because of what was the origination of this post - Rights protect unpopular behavior from those that would regulate behavior based on wind direction.
I usually resist but since it has peppered this thread already I will proceed.
One of the fundamental differences between a Liberal and a Conservative goes to the core of Rights and their Protection.
If a Conservative observed an object they did not care for they would make a mental note to one, mind their own business and two, proceed with their day.
A Liberal loudly proclaims their feelings and demands an immediate shift in policy to prevent the behavior from ever impacting their delicate emotions again.

 

[arty]

All this political stuff does not belong in a knife forum.
There are laws, and we should obey them, even if we think that they are dumb.
From a practical standpoint, many workplaces ban weapons. In Illinois, a knife with a blade that is 3" or longer is defined as a dangerous weapon. I can get along at work with a small knife - like one with a 2.5" blade. It is no hardship to obey the rules and avoid the risk of getting fired. I don't need a large knife at work.
I did have a couple of experiences that were surprising at work, when cutting open boxes with a knife with a 2.6" blade or smaller. I follow the law, but now also keep a small pocket knife out of sight and it stays in my pocket. It is not a hardship to use a scissors to pen a box if that doesn't get people all riled up. I don't feel any need to get people upset over nothing.
The only time I wouldn't have a knife in my pocket is when it is not legal, like visiting some of those places that ban carrying knives overseas....or in a federal building. ... or when in the shower or bed. I can make it without a pocket knife in those situations. I won't go through withdrawal.
It makes sense to obey the law. There is no point in arguing over whether you like a law or not - it is not in our power to directly make the rules.

 

[hardheart]

Wolfjohn, while I personally don't think it was necessary, you may have wanted to mention the setting in the first post, it may have kept some people from posting. A machine shop is a dangerous place with many sharp things, along with rotating things, crushing things, electrical things, chemical things, burning hot things, etc. As you mentioned, people need to wear PPE in such an environment, because it is dangerous. To complain about machinists carrying items like a pocket knife in an environment where people lose eyes & limbs from the work tools is laughable.

But I guess that is also why we can't legally own high explosives, people make mistakes.

arty, he stated from the outset that he is both within the legal limits, as well as workplace policies.

 

[DoctaD]

What we have here is a whole generation of young people who were brought up to fear knives and guns instead of teaching them how to respect them. That makes our job as knifemakers and collectors to try to re educate these young people who have now become adults. Get ready, there is a whole new generation coming up that will be taught the same thing. Our job will become even harder.
BB

:thumbup:
All three of my children (ages 18, 21, 23) carry and promote knives. Two are US Marines, and are risking their lives to protect our Constitution, freedoms, and America.
I am proud of them, and applaud their efforts to educate their generation regarding our American values and freedoms.

 

[ehay]

I've been lurking on this site for a couple of years now, and following this thread with interest since it began. And it was my first introduction to the word 'sheeple'. I'm a young Canadian, raised in a mostly urban setting, with the accompanying liberal tendencies generally attributed to 'America's Hat'.

I also happen to be female.

Please don't paint us all with the same brush - I grew up with a father who always carried a penknife, and have been carrying a Leatherman juice s2 and a small Boker folder ever since she left high school (the latter exchanged for a folder with a 1.5'' blade while working in a services job for two summers). They're useful beyond words, and I can always be counted on to lend them out when needed, and never gotten any complaints from other workers.

It's a mixture of upbringing and perception. I wouldn't bat an eyelash at your Emerson Traveller, but sure, a woman who wasn't used to knives outside of the kitchen block would probably react in a similar fashion to your co-worker (although I'm surprised beyond words that it's the first one she's seen in a machinist's shop - I'd expect every person who worked there to have a folder in their pocket). And sure, some people - male and female - are just looking for things to complain about. If you have the misfortune to work with one of them, just be more cautious about where you pull it out. It's not worth the trouble to educate someone who has there mind set on something with religious-like fervour.

On my part, if a guy was waving around a thirty-dollar bowie with a 12 inch blade that he'd bought off of Ebay for self-defence, I'd complain. Not a tool. I'd probably have a similar reaction to a guy carrying a handgun. I adore fixed blades - there are some gorgeous hunting knives out there that I'd love to have despite not being a hunter - but they're a pain to carry around on a belt, and I have no use for one at my present job.

Pocket knives are tools. Liberal females in Canada use them too. Please don't assume that political affiliations prevent us from appreciating the knife as a functional piece of artwork.

 

[RubiconSS]

I've been lurking on this site for a couple of years now, and following this thread with interest since it began. And it was my first introduction to the word 'sheeple'. I'm a young Canadian, raised in a mostly urban setting, with the accompanying liberal tendencies generally attributed to 'America's Hat'.

I also happen to be female.

Please don't paint us all with the same brush - I grew up with a father who always carried a penknife, and have been carrying a Leatherman juice s2 and a small Boker folder ever since she left high school (the latter exchanged for a folder with a 1.5'' blade while working in a services job for two summers). They're useful beyond words, and I can always be counted on to lend them out when needed, and never gotten any complaints from other workers.

It's a mixture of upbringing and perception. I wouldn't bat an eyelash at your Emerson Traveller, but sure, a woman who wasn't used to knives outside of the kitchen block would probably react in a similar fashion to your co-worker (although I'm surprised beyond words that it's the first one she's seen in a machinist's shop - I'd expect every person who worked there to have a folder in their pocket). And sure, some people - male and female - are just looking for things to complain about. If you have the misfortune to work with one of them, just be more cautious about where you pull it out. It's not worth the trouble to educate someone who has there mind set on something with religious-like fervour.

On my part, if a guy was waving around a thirty-dollar bowie with a 12 inch blade that he'd bought off of Ebay for self-defence, I'd complain. Not a tool. I'd probably have a similar reaction to a guy carrying a handgun. I adore fixed blades - there are some gorgeous hunting knives out there that I'd love to have despite not being a hunter - but they're a pain to carry around on a belt, and I have no use for one at my present job.

Pocket knives are tools. Liberal females in Canada use them too. Please don't assume that political affiliations prevent us from appreciating the knife as a functional piece of artwork.

Welcome. Well said, Speaking strictly personally... I do not believe and never have that gender or political affiliation should have much if anything to do with common sense - You obviously are blessed with a healthy dose.
Enjoyed reading your post, hopefully more to follow

 

[DoctaD]

All this political stuff does not belong in a knife forum.
Yes it does, if the politics affect our ability to enjoy our rights and freedoms (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and such.)
There are laws, and we should obey them, even if we think that they are dumb.
From a practical standpoint, many workplaces ban weapons. In Illinois, a knife with a blade that is 3" or longer is defined as a dangerous weapon.
And Illinois is one of the states that has some of the most restrictions on freedoms. Organizations such as Knife Rights, exists to try and over turn such ridiculous and ineffective laws
I can get along at work with a small knife - like one with a 2.5" blade. It is no hardship to obey the rules and avoid the risk of getting fired. I don't need a large knife at work.
I did have a couple of experiences that were surprising at work, when cutting open boxes with a knife with a 2.6" blade or smaller. I follow the law, but now also keep a small pocket knife out of sight and it stays in my pocket. It is not a hardship to use a scissors to pen a box if that doesn't get people all riled up. I don't feel any need to get people upset over nothing.
The only time I wouldn't have a knife in my pocket is when it is not legal, like visiting some of those places that ban carrying knives overseas....or in a federal building. ... or when in the shower or bed. I can make it without a pocket knife in those situations. I won't go through withdrawal.
It makes sense to obey the law. There is no point in arguing over whether you like a law or not - it is not in our power to directly make the rules.

It definitely is right, and makes sense to obey the law...BUT, it is our right and responsibility to make the rules through our rights as citizens of a representative government. We ARE the government (...Of the People, by the People, and For the People".