My last spyderco

Gee COPIS.. I see we can't email you...OK.
Lets see we should be pissed off at SPYDERCO cause they restrict knives to a certain group?..and you're upset cause you think that all things should be available to all people? Is that it?
And because of this YOU personally won't buy
any more SPYDERCO knives? hmmmm Ok sounds like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face..
You will miss out on owning realy great knives cause you are upset about not owning a Matriarch..big deal..I see others told you where to buy one..
I think you can buy a Civilian...??? can't you?
Personallly if Sal/ Spyderco doesn't want something bought/ sold here I agree with him.. I don't need to own one..LOL..but I see it from the other side..
There are many items I personally cannot buy being non military non lEO..so what?? I buy other stuff..I don't rant at the company..
nor deny myself other fine products from that company,,
BUt its a free world..the less you buy the more there is for others!!!!
 
I really have no problem with Spyderco's policy on the Matriarch, however, If you don't like I also have no problem with your position. Spyderco can do whatever they want with their products, just as you can let them know you are unhappy about it.

However . . .

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"Arms" as in "Keep and bear arms" would seem to refer to any and all personal arms, On 15 December, 1791 personal arms would have included firearms, sword, and a variety of knives.

Today we seem to assume that the Second Amendment is a firearms issue only, and at the moment, firearms are on the front line.

I have a copy of the Bill of Rights in front of me as I type. To the very best of my knowledge the text I have posted is the exact, complete text of the Second Amendment.

On what grounds do you assume that there is no right to carry a knife??


Mike
 
Bye bye!
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1) A civilian and a matriarch have the same blade but different handles! I was told that one is restricted (cheap) and one is not (expensive). It is very elitist to think that only the cheap version can be used to harm innocent people!

Spyderco is not fighting against unjust laws, Spyderco is creating them voluntarily!

Those are my main points!


Still most of you think that I want to buy a matriarch and got shut down. you are missing my point! I bought a Rookie and on my way out noticed the Matriarch situation. If the design appealed to me I would own one

Bram- a) Do you really need my email adress?
b) correct! more spydercos for the
rest of you
c) I went in inquiring about the MBC
series ( I guess there wont be any
cheap versions of the gunting!)


I am not as upset as I was yesterday, just really dissapointed. I stand by my convictions even if the rest of you think I'm rude

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I agree with you, Copis. I think the Spyderco policy is a bit misguided, but, hey, they never asked for my opinion!

What bugs me is that the policy to sell certain knives to LEO`s seems to be applied unevenly. Why is the Matriarch available to only LEO`s and yet that monstrosity, the Gunting, is available to anyone? The purpose of the Gunting in self defense, like the Matriarch. The Matriarch doesn`t come with a trainer, or a video. (Or a very zealous, self promoting creator!)

I can understand Spyderco wanting to be responsible about their products, but they seems to be unevenly responsible. I`ve always admired the way Spyderco avoided macho, cartoonish names, like "the Escalator" or "the Combat (fill in the blank)", and I admired the way they left the Civilian out of their catalog. I didn`t think the Gunting was a good fit for the image Spyderco seemed to be cultivating for itself. I still don`t understand it. Restricting sales voluntarily seems like another mis-step.

This is just my opinion, so relax. I admire Sal as much as any of you and love Spyderco products. Sal is as nice a guy as I`ve encountered in this industry, HOWEVER, that doesn`t mean every decision he makes in a good one.
 
BUY BUY

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Mark, Isiah 40:31 They that wait on the LORD shall mount up with wings as eagles...
 
Ya ween some, Ya loose some... Spydernuts come and go..
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Sam

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have spydies
will travel...
 
hahahahahaha.............

Fantastic thread.........

Copis, I agree with you 100%. I do not like anybody telling me what I can or can't buy/do. As far as the price discrimination between the two similar knives, to be sure that is a "deterrant". Venting is good for the soul, so vent away.

I like Spyderco's, so I will continue to buy.

The Matriarch looks like an Endura with a large Harpy blade on it. hahahaha. It is making me ho**y for a Harpy.

Who cares about the Matriarch anyways. I don't. I know, its the principle of the thing, it's the principle............
 
Steve B put it rather well. It isn' t too hard to figure out- unfortunately it simply means being politically correct.
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Much like firearms, expensive or otherwise, any number of blades can be funneled into the criminal market. It would be ridiculous to say that the price would be a deterrent.

Spyderco has and continues to offer some fine products. I will continue to support them although their restricted policy(s) are are somewhat unpopular...

L8r,
Nakano


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"To earn a million is easy, a real friend is not."
 
Copis - sorry you feel that way. We are not trying to take away your rights or control you. We're just trying to cover our own butts and "do the right thing for the right reasons".

A well know American company sells autos to LEO's only, supposedly. But you can buy autos at any gun show. This will eventually cause problems within our industry, I believe. Autos are illegal in most states.

We are currently trying to figure out the best way to handle the Matriarch in the USA. We've never had so many problems with a model before.

The problem that we are trying to avoid is having the Matriarch come back and "bite us" when the knife becomes the knife of choice for gangs and ends up in a courtroom with a Judge wondering about "Why Spyderco would make this knife so readily available to young gang members".

Because you can buy an auto in any gun show doesn't make autos legal (even for LEO's).

If you were Spyderco, how would you sell the Matriarch?

sal
 
First, let me say that I am an LEO working for both a municipal and a state agency.

I am not convinced that the Matriarch needs to be restricted to LEO's. The hawksbill Harpy/Merlin has been out for some time apparently without widespread problems. The Civilian also seems to have had few problems.

If the price of the Matriarch stays fairly high, and the distributorship stays tight I believe there will be few problems. It doesn't even seem as if knock-offs would be a big problem since the blade is so labor intensive.

Whatever the ultimate decision, I understand the dilemma and I offer that Sal and Co. are the most qualified to assess Spyderco's exposure and course of action.

Ben

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Sal- I believe a similar scenario can be imagined with the Gunting. Why would Spyderco make THAT readily available to kids? I believe the Gunting has easily the same "fear factor" as the Matriarch, and the Gunting doesn`t even have to be opened to be used as a weapon. It is clearly a weapon of self defense and can`t be passed off as a "mushroom picker". So why wouldn`t the Gunting fall under the same restricted sale catagory?

The problem is when you start a policy of restricting sales, where do you draw the line? How far do you go? Couldn`t an argument be made that, since ANY knife could potentially be used as a weapon, or fall into the hands of "children", isn`t a self imposed restricted sale policy almost an admission of guilt by the manufacturer that it`s products are dangerous and ought to be regulated?
 
How about making a Matriarch trainer and a Matriarch training video, geared toward women's self defense in the gravest extreme, and selling them as a one-price package?


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Originally posted by James Mattis:
How about making a Matriarch trainer and a Matriarch training video, geared toward women's self defense in the gravest extreme, and selling them as a one-price package?
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Now that is a fantastic idea.
I own a Civilian and a G10 Harpy, both are fantastic. I don't own the Matriarch even though I could (LEO) because I think the Civilian is a much better knife, I just wish it was a liner lock like my beloved Military.
When asked for my suggestion for a self defense knife for women I suggest the Merlin (the Matriarch would be illegal in MI for civilian carry).
As to the LEO only issue, it is Sal's company, he should do what he thinks best.
Most of the knives I have seen the criminal element packing are either kitchen knives or cheap ripoffs. I have never seen a high quality knife in criminal hands unless it was stolen.

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George Orwell
"Those who hold the thin blue line keep order, and insure that anarchy and chaos will not prevail."
Chad
 
Sal, thanks for asking about sales policy on the Matriarch.

I would like to see it sold just like any other spyderco knife. I don't think the knife would be that interesting to a "gang" member since you can't stab with it; self-defense-only isn't their style. However, making it "restricted" will enhance its appeal to easily impressible gang types who may think that it is the greatest knife because it is "LEO only". Forbidden fruit looks awfully tasty.

I would market the Matriach proudly and spread the word to women's groups about the affordable "self-defense-only" knife. A training video with defense-only moves would be an asset IMO. This knife might earn Spyderco respect instead of scorn from the legal system.

I would like for my wife to have a matriarch but a civilian is out of our reach for now. A matriach priced like the enduras would sell very well as a "wives" knife. I personally carry a serrated endura for "defense" purposes because I've had some training and don't want to give up the thrust option; it slashes just fine.

Slayer
 
Gee Ya know I called Colt the other day and they won't sell me an M-16 you see they are restricted to Military and LEO sales only. But to tell the truth that is not going to stop me from buying a 1911A1,a Python(though they have been discontinued)or a sporter,AR-15 or whatever they are called this week. see they have a good product other than the M-16 and MrGlesser has made a personnel decision for his business and I can respect that. anyway the Matriarch has a very limited scope in it's use anyway. I am in law enforcement and carry one on duty. It rides clipped to my left pocket. If I ever had to be used ti would be in the event someone tried to grab my sidearm and some of the drills I have been practising would then come to use.
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All it takes for the forces of evil to rule the world is for good men to do nothing...Edmund Burke
 
Some folks say that the Matriarch should be marketed as a self defense aid to women. I don't think this is too practical because the Matriarch is too long for many jurisdictions. A truly viable self defense blade would have to be under 3". Even then, we all know that openly carrying a knife for self defense is grounds for arrest in many states which brings us right back to the main problem with the Matriarch, it is a design that cannot be reasonably considered a utility blade no matter what size it is.
 
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