My Nightmare (LONG STORY)

Good Evening All-

Can someone give a quick definition of "TTO" as the term is probably too short to put in the BladeForums search function. Thanks.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
There was a link posted earlier in this thread by Frank... TTO was, apparantly, a repeat BSer. History before my time... not that that means anything..
 
DeadManWalking said:
The laws of physics state that the common bumblebee cannot fly.
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Which laws of physics state that the common bumblebee cannot fly? Please cite your sources.
 
DeadManWalking said:
Large parcels of land have been purchased from indigenous American tribes for a single rifle.

The laws of physics state that the common bumblebee cannot fly.

Coca Cola was originally some type of pharmaceutical product.

Spyderco makes good products.

These are all facts and yet I believe someone will call BS on me simply because we're on the internet. This story is less incredible than what happens in everyday life.

Yes I take everything and I do mean everything I read or hear with a grain of salt, but there comes a point where I have to put some trust in what people tell me or I wouldn't have much of an education now would I?
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Celtech is that you? changed your name...TTO did that too! The hard cold truth of the matter is that this "story" is a load of pooh dreamt up by a over testerone filled 20 something boy. Most of the regulars on this board are pretty crafty people and are very unimpressed by B.S. stories of tactical self defense or any other form of mall ninja crapola. Combat,,,self defense...usually doesnt work that way and there are veterans of those experiences who I know on these boards who can prove that....Bumble bees should not fly and coke used to be a phamacy product ARE facts that CAN be proved. But because this is the internet we are ASKING you to PROVE your story but true to troll fashion you got busted and you have just dissappeared and reinvented yourself into this new name..Pitiful man..PROVE YOUR BULLSHIIIT STORY OR COME CLEAN LIKE A MAN AND ADMIT THAT YOU HAD A BONER AND WROTE A B.S. STORY...
 
Yup, now he's changed his name!!! Yet another troll tactic.

Picture this: A Law-abiding citizen uses JUSTIFIED force to protect himself from an armed scumbag. The police arrive and interview all the witnesses and they confirm that's what happened.

The Police then arrest the citizen, jail him and then try him? Not in the USA and certainly not in Oregon so says one of the top State prosecutors who is certain he would have remembered this if it happened in Oregon.

Yup, he's TTO reincarnate.....................
 
wolfmann601 said:
Picture this: A Law-abiding citizen uses JUSTIFIED force to protect himself from an armed scumbag. The police arrive and interview all the witnesses and they confirm that's what happened.

The Police then arrest the citizen, jail him and then try him? Not in the USA
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Never?

(I'm not believing the OP either, but I'm sure self defence cases have went to trial in the US.)
 
extremefishin00 said:
Suerte,

I'm sure there have been plenty of self defense cases that have gone to trial. I'm willing to bet there are just as many that don't make it past a grand jury, or cases where a DA will drop the charges based on evidence. And I'm willing to bet there are cases where there is sufficient evidence present to prove justifiable use of force, hence no arrest is made. However, I'm not a lawyer or a police officer, I'm just going by what I've learned through classes. As for what would have happened in this case, I think the police would have detained him long enough to fill out a report, but I don't think he would have been charged, unless he lived in an area where carrying a knife was illegal. I'm sure

As for those that say, "what's it matter if this story isn't true?". People have often called Bladeforums a community, I have to agree with this view. I also feel that you should be able to trust the people within your community. If someone tells one little lie and everyone falls for it, you can bet they'll keep lying. Think of lies as bricks. Everytime you lie you're putting a brick between between yourself and your community, friends, family, etc. The more you lie the more bricks you lay. Pretty soon you find you've built a wall between yourself and everyone else. You've imprisoned yourself in untruths.

If you wish to break down that wall, and remain part of the community, it's in your best interest to provide the information requested by Ren or come clean. The longer you let this go on, the thicker the walls get.


Chris
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I could not have said it better Chris..
 
For those that want to find out why TTO is being referred to here, do a search for Dennis Sweetser. You will find out all about this POS.
 
That "DeadManWalking" thing is really lame. I doubt anyone else would bother registering if they had been lurking just to post something so inane. I say it was Celtech.
We're not calling this story BS because its over the internet, we're calling it BS because of the discrepencies and the incredibly hard to believe way he described it. Reading the story and his past posts make you really think. But notice that we're just asking for some simple proof?'

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I especially can't stand reading the part where he allegedly cuts the guy. He reaches TWICE into his pocket (the second time came AFTER he made a move) and the guy didn't do anything? Was he a taking a nap? Plus, if you threw your wallet at him, why wouldn't he just take it and run? That's really all you had to offer, and you did say he was a robber, not someone trying to murder you. Also, he didn't say "Give me your wallet!" or anything of that sort?

Edited for clarification (Changed from "Nobody would bother registering just to post something that inane" so people wouldn't think I was siding with this ass)
 
I'm sure there have been plenty of self defense cases that have gone to trial. I'm willing to bet there are just as many that don't make it past a grand jury, or cases where a DA will drop the charges based on evidence. And I'm willing to bet there are cases where there is sufficient evidence present to prove justifiable use of force, hence no arrest is made.
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Police officers have some discretion in how they handle minor situations. If an officer sees you make a minor traffic violation resulting in no accident or anything, he can choose to just give you a warning if he feels that that's most appropriate in the situation.

Yesterday, as I was having my lunch at a local cafe', two men standing in front of a nearby store got into a bit of an argument. I don't know over what. There was a bit of pushing and shoving, voice were raised, etc. Moments later, two police cars pulled up, probably called by one of the store owners. The officers separated the two men, talked to each, and when all was said and done, everyone walked away. Apparently, the offices decided that in this situation it was not necessary to arrest anyone.

If it's just a push-and-shove situation, maybe even a minor punch or two but no bodily injury, then the office may chalk it up to a civil or domestic disturbance and make no arrest. They have some discretion.

But, if you slice into another man's arm causing him a "great bodily injury" then the officer has no discretion anymore. You have assulted the other person. It's probably a felony. You will be arrested and taken to jail. In a situation like this where there's a possible felony involved, it's beyond the officer's discretion; a judge and/or jury, a court, has to decide.

When the judge asks you, "How to you plead?", your answer will not be simply, "Innocent." You will not assert that you did not cut the man's arm. There's a medical report, a police report, witnesses, and your bloody knife in a sealed plastic bag right there on the table. How can you plead innocent? How can you assert that you did not cut his arm? You can't. What you will plead is, "Innocent by reason of self-defense." In other words, you will say, "Yes, I cut his arm. But it is not a felony and I don't deserve to go to jail for it because I did it in self-defense which the law allows." Now the legal question before the court is not, "did you cut his arm?" but, "why did you cut his arm?" Self-defense is not about whether or not you did it, but why you did it. And that is the sort of complex and deeply legal question to which the answer is not always obvious that is best made in the light of a courtroom, not by an officer standing on a street corner. So, the officer will arrest you. He must. In a matter like this, he has no discretion.

And you want it that way. Let's change the story a bit:

Person X tries to rob person Y. It's a classic "stick-up" with a knife. Y resists and X cuts his arm badly. Police are called. Y tells them what happened, but X lies and says that Y tried to rob him and he cut Y in self-defense. The other three people at the scene agree with X; they are, after all, X's friends. The evidence is clear. Three witnesses agree. Y attacked X and X cut Y in self-defense. So, the officer uses his discretion to decide the case on-the-spot and makes no arrest.

If you were Y, how would you feel? You'd want the case decided in court, wouldn't you? Of course you would.

That's why, in a case like this, the officer would probably arrest both X and Y and let the court sort it out.

Make no mistake: if you injure another person -- with a gun, a knife, your your bare hands -- no matter how obviously self-defense the situation is, you will almost certainly be arrested, handcuffed, searched, etc., and you will almost certainly spend at least a few hours -- if not days -- in jail.

It is possible for the DA to look at the situation and say, "This is so obvious there's no reason to even bother the courts," and the charges against you will be withdrawn. The would be true especially if there is incontrovertable evidence, maybe a video tape of the whole thing, and if the injured party's attorney concures. But, in most cases, it will have to go to a grand jury at least.

Either way, you can just about always arrange some kind of release or bail so that you will be out of jail fairly quickly.

It's important to understand this. An officer on the scene or later at the station will very often imply that if you just answer a few question for them or make a statement, this whole misunderstanding can be cleared up and you can be free-to-go without any further hassles. Make no mistake: this is not a parking violation we're talking about here. In most cases, the officer does not have the authority to release you even if he might imply that. And anything you say can and will be used as evidence against you. Once you're arrested, it's best not to make any statements or answer any questions until you have an attorney. Anything you say is very unlikely to "clear up this misunderstanding," and very likely to get you into further trouble.
 
Notice, Wolfmann is not merely sharing his own knowledge of police procedure as a police chief in New Hampshire, he also talked to a prosecutor in Oregon.


wolfmann601 said:
Yup, now he's changed his name!!! Yet another troll tactic.

Picture this: A Law-abiding citizen uses JUSTIFIED force to protect himself from an armed scumbag. The police arrive and interview all the witnesses and they confirm that's what happened.

The Police then arrest the citizen, jail him and then try him? Not in the USA and certainly not in Oregon so says one of the top State prosecutors who is certain he would have remembered this if it happened in Oregon.

Yup, he's TTO reincarnate.....................
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I'm not so certain he's TTO, though. There are other people on the net who tell similar stories, some of them playing out the rest of the game the same way TTO always did, some playing different games even though they start out the same way.
 
the only part i thought was really bogus-sounding was the part about carrying the bloody knife. BS! why would they return the knife to you? i suppose they could, but i wouldn't believe for one second that they'd just hand you back a blood-encrusted blade. that just doesn't seem proper.

and then, you'd carry it that way? all the time? here's this gross-ass knife, with blood all over it (with who knows what bacteria, etc.), just cruising around in your pocket? come off it.

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extremefishin00 said:
As for those that say, "what's it matter if this story isn't true?". People have often called Bladeforums a community, I have to agree with this view. I also feel that you should be able to trust the people within your community. If someone tells one little lie and everyone falls for it, you can bet they'll keep lying. Think of lies as bricks. Everytime you lie you're putting a brick between between yourself and your community, friends, family, etc. The more you lie the more bricks you lay. Pretty soon you find you've built a wall between yourself and everyone else. You've imprisoned yourself in untruths.

Chris
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Very nicely said Chris.

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NeedleRemorse,

I'm not sure if you were on the forums around the time of the TTO fiasco, but he did the exact same thing. He registered under a different name, and would post support for his TTO screenname. I think at one time he had 3 names going. Like Keith said, just do a search for Dennis Sweetser and you'll get the whole disturbing story.
Chris
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Sorry about the miscommunication. I should edit that to fix it. Anyway, I meant that I doubt anybody OTHER than Celtech would register to post that. The only reason they would is for personal gain. I'm very convinced that it's Celtech. And yes I am quite familiar with the TTO mess. At least TTO eventually came forward, I hope Celtech will have that courtesy.
 
why would they return the knife to you?
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It's your property. If it's a legal knife, and if the DA doesn't see the need to retain it (possible appeal, etc.), then it will be returned to you. And yes, probably still bloody (why should the police risk blood-borne pathogens to clean your knife off for you?) in the evidence bag.
 
Oh it was Celtech's 'brother' using Celtech's account who originally posted this creative writing piece. (Go to the first page of this thread and read the explanation). Well Celtech has admitted that the original story is pure fiction, and is continuing the BS'ing with another farfetched story.
 
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