My replacement MTECH Trail Master knock-off just arrived (now with pics)

[Melvin-Purvis]

I just wasted five minutes reading this waste of bandwidth, and if it wasn't for this little gem of truth I'd want my time back...

You should read more and post less. You know very little about knives or metallurgy.

 

[lobo9er]

I wonder if he has watched any of the knife destruction tests? LOL although He was 9 or 10 when they were put on Youtube,... Man I'm getting old....

 

[spydercobenchmadekai]

If you search Google for "Broken Becker" you get quite a few hits:



If you search Google for "Bent Becker" you get none.

And for those discriminating against anyone under the "respectable" age, #@&% off.

 

[stevewest]

4. BENDING: THE PURPOSE OF THIS TEST IS TO SHOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO HEAT
TREAT A KNIFE WITH A SOFT BACK AND A HARD EDGE.
The bending of the blade is the final test. Safety gear should be worn. At the discretion of the
applicant or the Master Smith, the edge may be dulled prior to bending. The Master Smith
will mark a line across the width of the blade approximately three (3) inches from the tip of
the blade. The blade will then be inserted into a vise, tip first, such that the blade is placed
into the vise up to the mark on the blade. If the vise jaws are rough, smooth metal inserts
may be located on each side of the clamped portion of the blade to protect the blade,
when bending the test knife. The blade shall be bent by force applied to the handle. A
leverage device, such as a pipe may be used as long as it does not pose a safety risk. The
use of such a device is at the sole risk of the applicant and at the discretion of the
supervising Master Smith. The applicant will then bend the blade ninety (90) degrees. The
supervising Master Smith will signal the applicant when the ninety (90) degree angle has
been reached. The blade is allowed to crack at the edge on bending but not beyond
approximately one third (1/3rd) the width of the blade leaving two thirds (2/3rds) of the blade
intact. However, if any part of the blade chips or any part of the blade or tang breaks off,
the applicant fails. Because of the many variables in the size, geometry, and temper line of
the blade, the Master Smith using his/her judgment, shall determine if the extent or location
of the fracture line is acceptable. The decision of the Master Smith is final.

This is straight out of the ABS Journeyman test guidelines.

 

[Blackie Scantling]

What $300 folder have you personally compared it to?

I dunno (weary sigh). There seems to be a metric b*ttload folders such as ZT that are in the hundreds along with a couple of others I saw with the same basic wide blade as my Kershaw that cost more than $300.00.

And I dind't 'personally' compare them. What would they have done differently in person?

 

[spydercobenchmadekai]

I wonder if he has watched any of the knife destruction tests? LOL although He was 9 or 10 when they were put on Youtube,... Man I'm getting old....

I've learned to respect tools and not try to destroy something that could be useful.

 

[ibute21]

And for those discriminating against anyone under the "respectable" age, #@&% off.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt?"

As far as the law and I'm concerned, you're not an adult. Come back in five years and then I'll listen to what you have to say.

 

[Blackie Scantling]

I just wasted five minutes reading this waste of bandwidth, and if it wasn't for this little gem of truth I'd want my time back...

You and me both Purvis and I'm the one who started this thread.

 

[mountainmist]

I just reported this thread, it isn't going anywhere good. :thumbdn::thumbdn:

 

[spydercobenchmadekai]

I just reported this thread, it isn't going anywhere good. :thumbdn::thumbdn:

Good luck. The mods seem to be offline--they won't even fix deal spotting that I have reported multiple times today.

 

[RemyKaze]

I dunno (weary sigh). There seems to be a metric b*ttload folders such as ZT that are in the hundreds along with a couple of others I saw with the same basic wide blade as my Kershaw that cost more than $300.00.

And I dind't 'personally' compare them. What would they have done differently in person?

The edge on those blades would last about ten times as long through hard use without needing to be sharpened. Of course, you can achieve that with a $75-$125 range knife too. You are correct that at some point there are diminishing returns, at the higher end. However the gap between a bargain knife and one in the $100 range can be massive. I carry a lot of s30V knives simply because I can use them all week without having to worry if they are sharp. Yet it will still carry an AUS8 Rat 1 or 2 because I just plain like them, even if they are in the $30-$40 range and have to be sharpened after each day. As long as a knife makes it all day without dulling, I'm happy.

 

[Blackie Scantling]

Me and my generation were all knife carriers, fishermen, hunter/trappers and Case was the main folding knife with the Shrades second with some el cheapo Imperials and Eye brands thrown in and then Bucks. Aside from the Bucks, most were soft metal blades that could be sharpened fast and held an edge long enough where you were cutting more than sharpening.
A knife that I didn't have to sharpen as much still wouldn't be worth hundreds more and if and when I did it required a special belt sander or gadgets or anything other than a pocket stone it would be a huge pain and I would end up not using it at all.

 

[RevDevil]

Good luck. The mods seem to be offline--they won't even fix deal spotting that I have reported multiple times today.

You need to stop posting, quit taking the bait and take a hint. The mods are not offline, but for the love God why the hell do you continue to be so stubborn?

 

[RemyKaze]

Me and my generation were all knife carriers, fishermen, hunter/trappers and Case was the main folding knife with the Shrades second with some el cheapo Imperials and Eye brands thrown in and then Bucks. Aside from the Bucks, most were soft metal blades that could be sharpened fast and held an edge long enough where you were cutting more than sharpening.
A knife that I didn't have to sharpen as much still wouldn't be worth hundreds more and if and when I did it required a special belt sander or gadgets or anything other than a pocket stone it would be a huge pain and I would end up not using it at all.

I use a pocket diamond stone on mine, and have use a Sharpmaker(ceramic), oilstones, waterstones, typical Arkansas whetstones. You're kinda coming at the idea with some preconceived notions of cost versus efficiency. Your knives were carbon steel, right? Carbon Steel performs better than stainless, for the price. Much better. However we live in a world of people unused to knives, or those who prefer stainless because they work in wet conditions or environments. The price tag includes better than carbon steel performance from a stainless steel knife that doesn't require as much maintenance.

To be honest, some of the knives I buy, I do so simply because I like them. I have carbon steel knives as well. I have cheap users like Victorinox swiss army knives, Opinels, Svord Peasants etc. I pay more for performance, and for particular locks and their strength. That's just my view. Someone may view my price range as cheap, while some such as yourself see it as too much.

All I was really saying is that you get what you pay for, and you have to pay more for stainless steels that will perform like carbon.

I'd also like to add that by the time your older carbon steel blades will have been sharpened down to nubs, a high end steel will still look new decades later. Food for thought.

 

[Codger_64]

Good luck. The mods seem to be offline--they won't even fix deal spotting that I have reported multiple times today.

You need to stop posting, quit taking the bait and take a hint. The mods are not offline, but for the love God why the hell do you continue to be so stubborn?

RevDevil, if it is my post about my new J A R B E N Z A S ! collection that is being repeatedly reported as deal spotting, let me know. I am the king of edits and I will edit my post appropriately so as not to be deal spotting.

J A R B E N Z A S ! :thumbup:

 

[Codger_64]

...I'd also like to add that by the time your older carbon steel blades will have been sharpened down to nubs, a high end steel will still look new decades later. Food for thought.

Smile when you say that pard! 40 year old 1095 carbon steel used well for the entire time afield skinning and butchering more deer than I can count... well more than 100, plus all manner of farm animals, small game and fish. And sharpened over the years with just about every method you can name except a Lansky and a laser. Including on a round flat river rock.

 

[olpappy]

Gee, and to think I could have been watching the Super Bowl instead of reading this thread.....

 

[RemyKaze]

Smile when you say that pard! 40 year old 1095 carbon steel used well for the entire time afield skinning and butchering more deer than I can count... well more than 100, plus all manner of farm animals, small game and fish. And sharpened over the years with just about every method you can name except a Lansky and a laser. Including on a round flat river rock.

Haha, well that's not always the case. On the smaller Imperials, Schrades and such, I find it to be true. The thin nature of those blades(which we rarely see on modern folders) meant that material would be worn away faster. No disrespect meant to carbon in general.

 

[Blackie Scantling]

Smile when you say that pard! 40 year old 1095 carbon steel used well for the entire time afield skinning and butchering more deer than I can count... well more than 100, plus all manner of farm animals, small game and fish. And sharpened over the years with just about every method you can name except a Lansky and a laser. Including on a round flat river rock.

In high school I took a rich kid classmate hunting who shot a good buck but guess what, he never gutted a deer before. He always had a paid guide do it. He did however have all the good guns and equipment including that little Old Timer on top. He insisted I use it but when I got to the pelvis twisted the blade and heard a distinct snap. I pulled out a 1/2 of a blade. He went GODD***!! LOL Later he said he called Old Timer and they sent him a new one, free.
Nothing against Shrades but that particular model is too brittle and hard and couldn't take a twisting the softer Cases could.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Good luck. The mods seem to be offline--they won't even fix deal spotting that I have reported multiple times today.

I guess the job has gotten to be too much for us to handle, for me anyway. Lotsa luck, you're on your own, I'm taking my back pay and going on a long vacation in a nice relaxing snowfield.

Close the thread? Don't close the thread? Nah, still a few guys talking knives instead of just talking ...