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my sebenza v. para 2 rant
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Really?
REALLY?
:hopelessness:
Are you on the verge of dying from dehydration? Do you eat a balanced diet? I think this has more to do with the user than the knife.
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I've been collecting knives for many years and I'm comfortable spending more than the cost of a Sebenza. Yet I've never owned or handled one. I'm still not curious enough to buy one. I do own and enjoy the Para 2. Here's why I don't buy a Sebenza:
1. I don't love titanium frame locks.
2. The repeated complaints of low rockwell hardness.
3. I place a strong emphasis on value for my dollar. When I spend more than a couple hundred dollars on a knife I want it to be more than just well-made. I want it to be a custom-made work of art.
1. I don't love titanium frame locks.
2. The repeated complaints of low rockwell hardness.
3. I place a strong emphasis on value for my dollar. When I spend more than a couple hundred dollars on a knife I want it to be more than just well-made. I want it to be a custom-made work of art.
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was that really necessary? anyone who states an opinion on the bladeforums is usually met with more hostility than praise. Its a wonderful thing about America, everyone can have an opinion.
I agree with Marthinus, Peeintheshower's post and anyone else's post on this subject isn't causing any problems, if you don't like his views don't respond to his threads! Its not like hes in the CRK forum posting this.
To the op I agree 100% that's why my small sebby got kicked out of my pocket by a plain jain s30v para 2.
Oh and TIM616 were still waiting on your post in the W&C
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LOL. i mean would you wear an itchy sweater.. would you wear size 9 shoes if you were a 10,
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You are saying it's "better" and you are quite with in your rights to think that. It is up to you to make that decision based on the experiences you have had. There is no doubt a bit of getting used to with any knife that is not your regular carry piece and I think this is where your "discomfort" comes from.
I do carry a large Sebenza and there is a difference in the large and small that you will notice right away if you get the chance to play with one. I was perhaps a little quick to jump on you as there has been some trolling of CRK lately but you don't look like you're in that crowd so I'll step off.
One thing to consider is that there are Sebenzas out there that have 10+ years of use behind them with many more years to go. The knife I have in my pocket right now was made in 2003, although I'm not the original owner. That is what CRK is about, the long life you will get from a Sebenza. The knife will do the same thing for years and years with out wearing in or out to any amount worth shouting about. There is also the option of having the knife refubished back to basically new at any time. Those are some of the reasons why CRK is worth paying for, IMO. The engineering and tolerances are either going to be your thing or they're not. I can't fault any one for not caring about the same things I do in a knife.
good point i did not take into consideration the warranty and the refurbishing options. again it is not my knife so the long terms of owning it did not come to mind. my opinion is based on practicality of initially handling the knife and thinking about using it for edc tasks.
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my para 2 blade basically floats on its washers. the blade is free floating but it does not budge in the locked position. mainly do to the compression lock. the small sebby's blade seems to constantly have tension on it and it is harder to deploy. then again ofcourse it is because it is a TI framelock. i am sure it is a very very smooth frame lock. generally speaking, the para's blade does not take as much effort to get out of the handle.
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If there is dried up grease in the pivot, there is a tool that the knife came with that will help you open up, clean out & regrease the knife. The reason the jimping may not grab as well is the Para has a thumb ramp & the Sebenza spine is relatively flat.
If you would have had the large Sebenza, it would be larger than the Para 2.
The lock bar on the Sebenza is Carburized which is more durable than DLC coating which makes the lock last longer.
If you would have had the large Sebenza, it would be larger than the Para 2.
The lock bar on the Sebenza is Carburized which is more durable than DLC coating which makes the lock last longer.
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I like to look at folders as similar to differences between all steel $3,000 custom 1911, $1,000 HK, $500 Glock, $800 S&W revolver (slipjoints)...
Some are definitely more right for certain types of personalities and/or job descriptions but a smart and humble man could make any of them work well. Some people want closest to commonly perceived perfection as possible, some don't care about tolerances or aesthetic at all as long as it is reliable and durable in use.
Tools, footwear, etc. I just go for durable and reliable..women, electronics, etc. I go for perceived perfection and aesthetics.
Some are definitely more right for certain types of personalities and/or job descriptions but a smart and humble man could make any of them work well. Some people want closest to commonly perceived perfection as possible, some don't care about tolerances or aesthetic at all as long as it is reliable and durable in use.
Tools, footwear, etc. I just go for durable and reliable..women, electronics, etc. I go for perceived perfection and aesthetics.
The hydration and diet comments had to do with the condition of your skin. Mostly sarcastic....but if any thumb stud "tears off your skin", my first thought would be that the problem is with your skin and the way you are using it, not the knife.
I just find complaints of that nature to be very unobjective, and speak more of the user than the knife. I would describe the thumb stud as rounded, I don't get how it is pointy.. and there is more than enough space between the frame and stud that you shouldn't be tearing skin off...
Other than that your review is fine. But you threw that part in there and I just find it to be pathetic, to be honest.
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The word your looking for is looser, the para 2 is so quick because of lower tolerances in their pivot and elu demand for a flickable knife. Didn't sound like the example you examined was lubes properly either.
I have a Ti military, which was half the price, has similar materials sure, but the build quality and execution is not on par with CRK, the military is a fine knife but still not the same league in terms of tolerances.
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then that is my mistake. i felt somewhat attacked from the sarcasm in your post. i am sorry. many arguments arise on the internet due to not knowing the persons tone of voice in his/ her statements. but my point was that i am not going to enjoy a knife that bothers me.
many trolls do bash on chris reeve and his company, but i think they are great, i prefer carrying my para 2 over a small sebenza. i would actually love an umnumzaan, that is a beautiful knife. this thread is just me making an opinion on a knife choice. i found some things to bother me with the small sebenza. but if i had to go to a wedding or something. the small sebby would come with me.
Like i said i havent ever owned a CRK so i cant make a real good opinion, but the fit and finish and tolerance arent the best, but is it in terms of the quality of the materials used is it as good?
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true. the point about the dried up grease complain from me is that the point of a knife is to make your life easy. easy to cut something, east to open, easy to use. having to open up a sebenza to clean up the grease is not as easy then a oiled up knife out of the box that you can just throw some oil in without having to take it apart. lets say you do not have an hex key set or torx set.
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Just put some oil in the sebenza then, just like any other folder. It will work fine.
If you have the hex key you can take the blade out and grease it in less than a minute. The grease in mine lasts for a long time. I probably went 6+ months without relubing.
If you have the hex key you can take the blade out and grease it in less than a minute. The grease in mine lasts for a long time. I probably went 6+ months without relubing.
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the underlined is incorrect. carburization is no where ever close to dlc in strength/durability.
carburization is more durable than TI alone but carburiztion is relativaly soft (some where around 40-45 rockwell hardness), while dlc is somewhere like 65 rockwell at least. There's a reason its called Diamond like coating. Its hard!
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Can you really compare them since you don't own one?