My version of the Wave Master....

The Tanto design is based on the "X-Pert", a design I did a year ago and waiting in line to be done as a prototype:

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The reason for using an Emerson Chasis is that I will like to see the Wave feature and only EKI can make that a reality.

Also the use of the Commander handle's profile will decrease the costs and all the machining calculations are already there. Even the angles for the lock from the commander's blade tang. It's like reprofiling the blade only...

We may have a winner here, I don't know... you tell me!

You know I love recurved Tantos! Ask Microtech about the Vector or just simply look at my logo!

Take care!


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jackyl:
I'd also want higher quality than they are capable of.
-AR
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Now I see why Ernie spends zero time on this Forum and does not see what a valuable marketing and research tool it is.

Who in the **** would want to come on here and hear what a bunch of **** this place has to offer at times.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Joel,

Nice design, by the way.
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
So Don...do you have the bawls to say that EKI is capable of the QC that MT puts out? The Commander is nice, and I can't wait to get mine...but I'm still kicking myself for sinking over $200 in it already, knowing the QC doesn't even equal that of Benchmade's. I'd just like to see his design come to life with good QC, that's all. I don't want to turn this into another EKI QC issue. Sorry...

BTW, Emerson shouldn't be spending any time here with the monster wait that paid customers are having to bear...even beyond his promised due date as I recall. However, someone should monitor the site...you outta take a job with EKI Don...you'd be perfect.
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-AR

[This message has been edited by Jackyl (edited 02-16-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jackyl:
So Don...do you have the bawls to say that EKI is capable of the QC that MT puts out?[1] The Commander is nice, and I can't wait to get mine...but I'm still kicking myself for sinking over $200 in it already, knowing the QC doesn't even equal that of Benchmade's.[2] I'd just like to see his design come to life with good QC, that's all.[3] I don't want to turn this into another EKI QC issue. Sorry...[4]

BTW, Emerson shouldn't be spending any time here with the monster wait that paid customers are having to bear[5]...even beyond his promised due date as I recall.[6] However, someone should monitor the site...you outta take a job with EKI Don...you'd be perfect.
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-AR
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Piece by piece:

[1] I absolutely believe that Emerson Knives Inc. has the capability of surpassing what you suggest. The question is, do they wish to do that. It is not a question of "can" they, of course they can, to say they cannot is to infer that Ernie has no talent, and he obviously does.

[2] I owned several Benchmade Folders and sold them all when I bought my first Commander. That was a 1998. Among them were a full sized AFCK, A Sentinel and a Stryker. None of them came close. In fact, you are stating an opinion and I will in turn state mine. The only BM AFCK I have ever seen that instilled true confidence in yours truly was a Knife of The Month Model with Aluminum Scales. So it goes...

[3] So would I, and Ernie is capable of that.

[4] Well, then what the hell are you throwing the slaps around for Dude? You and many others just appear to be salivating at every opportunity to smack this man around.

[5] See #4

[6] See #4 & #5

[7] Are they hiring? It never rains in Southern California and Derek and I could eat bait every day at the local Sushi Bar.


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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
 
Don, you should make sure it's OK with the Cali LEOs before you unleash yourself on SoCal.
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Speaking of Derek, WTF? Where is our humble moderator? I'll bet Ernie's got him so busy he can't see straight, but c'mon! No hello I'm back? I'm so hurt.... I feel used...

And, finally, Jackyl, the whole POINT of starting this thread was to (hopefully) get Ernie (or Derek, or Mary) too SEE it, and DO something about it. Yes, it's a great design, and I'd love to see it made - by EMERSON. Saying we should send it to another maker to get it done is missing the point.
 
See2, I see your point man, and believe it or not, I didn't intend on making it sound like that, I just feel that EKI will pass on it, and in that event, I would like to see someone else grab hold of it. That could very well be my dream knife, properly executed.

...and Don, no need to get all pissy, you're the man, and I'm not challenging that so you're safe.
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I do however think you are wrong about equalling the quality of MT, especially at their prices. If EKI were to put Joel's design into production, it would be at current QC I'd imagine, and carry a hefty $325(+) retail value, while MT could do it at their quality for about $275 retail. I'm probably a little off, but not by much I don't imagine.

-AR
 
I'm wrong, the usual suspects are right, so carry on with your discussion, and I will stand by and enjoy the images. Happy now guys? I didn't mean to come here and "rock" your EKI world with my blasphemous comments, so I'll try to refain.

-AR
 
Joel, Man, that X-pert is HOT!!!!
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I didn't realize the Spyderhole had such a cult following. I like it too. If Ernie passes on this design, I hope SOMEONE will pick it up and produce it. It is just too good to let it go.

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"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove[expose] them." Ephesians 5:11
 
Joel, who is gonna make that proto? Do you plan on scoring a factory collab. with it? It's the best of three worlds...warncliffe, (sp?) tanto, and recurve.
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Only you could come up with that combo. Love the Kestrel / Vectors too.

Could you explain the handle though? Looks like a bolster, scale material, and exposed liners?

-AR
 
Jackyl,

Saying that QC needs tightened on the Commander apparently has some validity. I myself, with other Suspects, have suggested a return to the 98 Commander.

I personally don't have a crappy Emerson...

When you say that Benchmade's QC might be tighter than the Commander's, that might also have some validity.

If you say that Emerson Knives Inc. is incapable of Benchmade or Microtech's level of QC, I think that is absurd on its' face. It remains your personal opinion, and being a personal opinion you are entitled to it as I am mine.

There is a big difference, all of the difference in the world in fact, between the two statements.

You seem to be adamant in your belief that EKI is incapable of that level of Production and QC, and that is simply not true.

Jackyl, I am not "The Man" when it comes to anything around here. I own zero Emerson Customs, I'm just a knucklehead like you are, I just happen to think I am the correct knucklehead in this particular instance.

I think that when you slap Ernie around, as you have, with regard to past real or imagined sins about Customs, their waiting times, promised times, etc., that is just an opportunity to throw in a cheap shot when the window opened. You did it. Hope you're happy. Whatever!

Since that is basically water under the bridge, spilled milk, it becomes apparent that you have those past transgressions stuck in your craw that have perhaps jaundiced your view of Ernest Emerson and EKI.

Man oh Man, some people are so incredible!

Emerson sucks! But I want his knife made by someone else!

This appears to be the Battlecry of not one, but TWO Microtech Fans in here!

WOW!

Dude, get a Benchmade AFCK, grind the front of the hole out...VOILA! you now have a Wave Opened Folder of the highest caliber! According to you. I would not spit on an AFCK unless it was the one I mentioned earlier...I had one...no thanks. Flimsy? I would like to see the present Commander go back to the "1998 Formula," but the AFCK sets a new standard for something I don't want to rely on when my life is in jeopardy.

Yes, I think even 99 & 00 Commanders are a better knife than a BM AFCK.

Or the Stryker...or the Sentinel...I like their BaliSongs though! The old ones, they screwed that up too and done away with them.

What concerns me is, Ernie could TODAY, begin to do things differently and due to old dealer stock already out in shops, a bad run would continue to pop up and would continue to be an issue in this Forum.

Personally, I hope the QC does severely tighten on the Commander. It is a design that is worthy of the finest attention that can be had...and yes, I think it can be...

It is no big secret that I think Tony Marfione is a genius. I have said so on a few occasions in the MT Forum. None of this should be construed as an "attack" on Mr. Marfione.

But to stubbornly insist that Ernie and EKI are not capable of delivering that level of quality it simply not true...again...that would be inferring that Ernie is not talented...and I reject that outright.

MT has had a few burps too. The LCC had been given undue heat in my opinion as well.

Often times, when a company grows, they have the usual growing pains, and perhaps what you saw in the problems associated with the LCC D/A were a sign of that, that was more promptly rectified. With less expensive materials and a price raise to boot! Titanium being more expensive and more expensive to machine versus aluminum...

So...no one is perfect.

I don't see post after post in here about faulty SOCFKs, CQC-7s and Ravens, etc., it is apparently a problem with the Commander.

So...reputation and good business sense would dictate that be corrected...and I hope it is.

All the rest is sour grapes from people who are expecting Tony Marfione or whomever, to literally rip the Wave Opener off...and that is precisely what people are saying when they say they want someone else to use Ernie's ideas...

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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.



[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 02-16-2001).]
 
Just clear the waters a bit, I'm not a big BM fan, nor am I a big supporter of MT...I just know quality when I see it. I don't own anymore BM's or MT's at the moment in fact. I'm just being critical of EKI at the moment...that's all. I'll wait, see what happens, and enjoy my Commander, and keep my eyes peeled for more of Joel's collaborations. I didn't mean to slap Emerson around, I was simply stating that he should stay at the grinder in his free time utill his obligations are fullfilled. EKI may have the resources to bring QC up, but how will it effect price and do they care to do so? Maybe we'll never know. ...and how will their "new" price compare to similar products put out by MT, BM, Spyderco...etc.

-AR
 
Maybe we can start getting along now?
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It's Friday...toss a few back.

-AR

[This message has been edited by Jackyl (edited 02-16-2001).]
 
Ok ok ok......

like i suggested in other forums when members seem to get all hot and bothered,

I FEEL A BIG GROUP HUG COMING ON!!!
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You know you want to.....

We'll all hold hands around a campfire and sing Kumbaya.

Everybody over to my house for some hot cocoa.
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Ross T.
 
Hi there!

The maker of the proto is yet to be determined... As you guys know, I'm busy working on the "Trans-Metal" with Allen Elishewitz as we speak and Dale Reif is working on the proto for the "Flak" neck knife.

The X-pert will have bolsters, handle material and exposed liners... let's see!

Regards,


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Joel Pirela
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