Need advice on transaction Please!

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marcinek said:
I was under the impression that W&C stuff was supposed to stay there.
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That it is. But a person who would take the time to level personal attacks here in the GB&U doesn't follow the rules anyway. Why start now?

shinyedges said:
I thought he was leaving by June or something?!? Dude has a chip on his shoulder for whine and cheese and anyone who posts in it.

Dude should take a hike like he said he would.
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RevDevil said:
How many mail carrriers/employees do you think are going to stop and steal one box out of the thousands of pieces of mail they see whiz by on the conveyor belts and in the giant carts? Not every USPS employee is a knife enthusiast, or would care to go through all the trouble of stealing every package they encounter with that name. If they did they would get fired and possible go to jail. Stealing mail is a federal offense. If you are going to go t jail and get fired for stealing something from work, it better be something worth a hell of a lot more than a Sebenza or any other knife. Chances are you will be caught on video as well.
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When I began working for the Postal Service, a senior clerk took us around to see the different operations. She also pointed out the very visible galleries overhead, with spyholes where the Postal Inspectors could watch and film us. On a few occasions, a couple of inspectors would rush into a work area, handcuff an employee, and march him away. Yes, they had caught him stealing.

A few years later, I was a supervisor, with clerks sorting mail. One of them stopped what he was doing, raised his hand and signaled to me. He had found a nickel in the tray of mail he was working and wanted the Inspectors to see he wasn't stealing it, he was handing it in to his supervisor
 
Esav Benyamin said:
When I began working for the Postal Service, a senior clerk took us around to see the different operations. She also pointed out the very visible galleries overhead, with spyholes where the Postal Inspectors could watch and film us. On a few occasions, a couple of inspectors would rush into a work area, handcuff an employee, and march him away. Yes, they had caught him stealing.

A few years later, I was a supervisor, with clerks sorting mail. One of them stopped what he was doing, raised his hand and signaled to me. He had found a nickel in the tray of mail he was working and wanted the Inspectors to see he wasn't stealing it, he was handing it in to his supervisor
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I really don't think that it would be postal workers either. If the knives were actually stolen, it most likely happened in the mail receiving room at the building complex, or wherever the C/O receiver location was.
 
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Yes, we have some good stories about how inspectors caught mailroom people doing that, but postal employees do too.
 
Kelama, Craytab, marcinek, lets not get carried so far off-topic.

Telling tales out of Whine & Cheese is almost always off-topic, but it's tales out of Pirates Cove that can get you fed to the sharks. :D
 
Hale Storm said:
I've shipped a few Mora's in the USPS padded flat rate envelope, and other inexpensive fixed blades. At 9 x 12 they fit most small and medium size fixed blades where a small flat rate box will not. If I ship anything over a few bucks, I'll always use a box and tape every edge. I've never been burned, but here is one precaution I take that might help.

Once the box is sealed, I take a few pics. A couple of the box with it taped up. One with the box on my postal scale to show the weight (and you can see the imperfections in the tape to show it's the same box). One of the label when I print it. And finally one with the label taped on the box while it's on the scale to show that it's all the same item. I guess a scammer could say that I filled the box with the appropriate amount of rocks but that's a stretch. I guess I've been lucky but I try to follow all the advice from countless members here who have posted endlessly about what NOT to do. Sound advice.
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Those are good ideas. :thumbup:
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Kelama, Craytab, marcinek, lets not get carried so far off-topic.

Telling tales out of Whine & Cheese is almost always off-topic, but it's tales out of Pirates Cove that can get you fed to the sharks. :D
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Esav,

I'm not aware of what these clowns are posting here, Esav...I can only imagine. :rolleyes: Please, with all due respect, do not associate me with the foul mouth, vile, self righteous, W&C crowd, that's not in my character, & I'm not one of them.

To the W&C (trolls) on this forum: as difficult as it may be, please try your best to keep your personal attacks, out of the general forum...take a "time out" if you really need to. ;)

In case any of the general forum is curious as to what I'm taking about: please click on these character's post history, & read the type offensive crap they so richly enjoy, spewing at other people. In my entire life, I've never had a grown man, throw the "C" word at me. They type word's that they would never have the courage to say to a man's face. If they kept these word's in their playpen I could accept that...but when they direct their threat's via PM's/Email- then I have a problem.

Unfortunately, the W&C/PC, is BladeForums, dirty little ugly secret... Moderator, Kiah (whom I respect & hold in high esteem), seems to understand what a bunch of pariah's some of these guys are...too bad, BF's continues to have these chronic sewage leaks out into the general forum.

It is my hopes, that this problem, can & will, corrected. :thumbup:

FWIW; I've continued ignore these guys; they appear to lack the self control, to do the same. Now that Craytab was just added to my list) I no longer have the ability to read any of their senseless garbage...however, they feel that they're privileged with the same double standard, that allows them to run rogue in the W&C.

This will be my last discussion on this subject out in the general forum, Esav- please make sure that these character's (trolls), also follow your request.

Thank you!

FYI: I'm here because of my passion for cutlery...what are these guys here for, & why, are they even on this forum?

Now, back on topic. Any updates related to this transaction?
 
The epitome of hypocrisy, disgusting.

Weren't you leaving? W&c is here to stay, got a problem with how spark runs his website? Follow through with you silly threat to leave lol your a joke.
KELAMA said:
Esav,

I'm not aware of what these clowns are posting here, Esav...I can only imagine. :rolleyes: Please, with all due respect, do not associate me with the foul mouth, vile, self righteous, W&C crowd, that's not in my character, & I'm not one of them.

To the W&C (trolls) on this forum: as difficult as it may be, please try your best to keep your personal attacks, out of the general forum...take a "time out" if you really need to. ;)

In case any of the general forum is curious as to what I'm taking about: please click on these character's post history, & read the type offensive crap they so richly enjoy, spewing at other people. In my entire life, I've never had a grown man, throw the "C" word at me. They type word's that they would never have the courage to say to a man's face. If they kept these word's in their playpen I could accept that...but when they direct their threat's via PM's/Email- then I have a problem.

Unfortunately, the W&C/PC, is BladeForums, dirty little ugly secret... Moderator, Kiah (whom I respect & hold in high esteem), seems to understand what a bunch of pariah's some of these guys are...too bad, BF's continues to have these chronic sewage leaks out into the general forum.

It is my hopes, that this problem, can & will, corrected. :thumbup:

FWIW; I've continued ignore these guys; they appear to lack the self control, to do the same. Now that Craytab was just added to my list) I no longer have the ability to read any of their senseless garbage...however, they feel that they're privileged with the same double standard, that allows them to run rogue in the W&C.

This will be my last discussion on this subject out in the general forum, Esav- please make sure that these character's (trolls), also follow your request.

Thank you!

FYI: I'm here because of my passion for cutlery...what are these guys here for, & why, are they even on this forum?

Now, back on topic. Any updates related to this transaction?
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It would be wise to simply follow the instructions provided by Esav already. Pissing up a Feedback thread with anything is poor form and none of us is in the mood to deal with it. Test it at your own peril.
 
robgmn said:
Does CRK still ship via 2 day priority in a small box with the company name on the return label?
I wonder how many customers had their knife stolen while in transit due to this "steal me" packing method.

And dealers ship cheaply unless it ends up costing them money.
Even a single loss eats into profit. If it happens, it gets changed (at least for a well-run business).
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The point I was trying to make (which was missed, base don some replies), was that some people think the "postal hijackers" see a cardboard (or padded tyvek or paper) Priority Mail enevelope and immediately start salivating like Pavlov's pet because they "know" it contains a $500 folding knife based on the "very obvious outline" the knife presents.

Sorry to disappoint, but like any other hobby, there are not as many enthusiasts in the real world as many here would like to believe.
To 99% of the people that see your envelope, it could be anything from a pen, to cash, to a million dollars in bearer bonds (yep, it happens. I knew a guy who, on the wrong side of the law, used to mail tens of thousands in cash at a time and never lost a cent).
The example of how CRK ships is that they used to use Priority and had their name on the return label. THAT is a lot more likely to be figured out than an envelope from "Mike" being mailed to some guy named "Steve".

Regardless, can any enthusiast here tell an expensive knife from a cheap one just by the outline it creates in an envelope?
Why would you think a rogue postal worker would do any better?
Like I said, Keep It Super Simple: If a knife gets stolen in transit, it's a theft of opportunity and not some highly trained theft ring that is trying to intercept the knives that members here ship (or the high-end pens/collector stamps/collector currency/baseball cards/cellphones/Hummel figurines/other expensive items).

There are 319 million people in the US. You may think your hobby carries the same level of import for everyone, but the truth is that 99+% of the country could give a rat's butt about what we're interested in (about the same percentage applies to people who want/need a thousand dollar "combat knife" but will never see anything even resembling a need for one.

Don't be offended, it's just reality.
 
Keeping things in perspective. I think the vast majority of postal workers are honest people. They are not eyeing over our packages like it is free stuff to pick from. However just like there have been a few thieves in the BF membership there are some in the postal service. I personally have had hundreds of knife transactions and have never lost a single package in the US(My international record is terrible).I don't feel the envelope is as good a method as the box, partially because the item can be somewhat determined by feel(but both get stolen). Other than by insurance I doubt you can determine an expensive knife from a cheaper by feel. However I do think knives do have a certain appeal to many, even though they may not have any idea the type of prices these are going for. You don't have to be a total knife enthusiast to like a free knife(if you are a thief to start with).

To add-never had a bad buyer or seller either
 
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Well let's get back to what this thread is all about, and forget how one packs and ships a knife, and whether or not the Postal service has thieves working for them.

Has the OP and Buyer figured this out yet? Us members seem more interested in resolving this mess the you two. The buyer has had plenty of time to get a photo of the Cashiers Check to the seller so that he can call the bank and verify, and the seller has had plenty of time to do so, if he has received the photo of the Check.

The buyer should take a photo of the Cashiers Check as you do get a copy of it when purchased. This way the seller can verify that it was made out to him, the amount and all the bank info and check number.

Lets straighten this mess out guys!
 
While no one knows what is in a flat rate envelope that $10+ label on a less than $6 to ship piece of mail says it carries a good bit of insurance so something valuable must be in there. But....the receiver says the envelope was not tampered with so who knows.
 
Just for clarity gentlemen, I am not some enigma or shadowy guy. I did previously respond up-thread in detail with the facts according to the BF rules. I also stated my intent to not further litigate the matter in this thread.

The numerous messages post that reply asking me to respond are superfluous, and this is simply a post to point that out.

I have not heard from the OP for several days.
 
knifehunt said:
Well let's get back to what this thread is all about, and forget how one packs and ships a knife, and whether or not the Postal service has thieves working for them.

Has the OP and Buyer figured this out yet? Us members seem more interested in resolving this mess the you two. The buyer has had plenty of time to get a photo of the Cashiers Check to the seller so that he can call the bank and verify, and the seller has had plenty of time to do so, if he has received the photo of the Check.

The buyer should take a photo of the Cashiers Check as you do get a copy of it when purchased. This way the seller can verify that it was made out to him, the amount and all the bank info and check number.

Lets straighten this mess out guys!
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Seller should have made a copy of the cashier's check before depositing. And packaging and mailing, unfortunately, is at the crux of the discussion, I don't know how it can be taken out of it. Seller should have used a box, as it is safer. A check can take up to three weeks to clear. Asking the bank about it does not guarantee anything. They will tell you to wait. Seller needs to wait at least three weeks before he can even think about refunding money. Buyer should wait patiently because he is the one who sent a cashier's check. If the check finally clears, after a month, the seller should contact buyer to work it out. My opinion is that they should split the loss. I'm sure the postal insurance will deny claim. There are lessons for both buyer and seller here. Buyers should use paypal or postal money order, not cashier's checks, if they want quick refunds. Sellers should only accept paypal or postal money order and should mail out in a box, not padded envelope, unless it's a very cheap item worth less than $20.
 
My opinion that they should split the loss, if the check finally clears after a month of waiting, is based on the info that buyer had the item sent to a "care of" address. The loss may have occurred at that point, after delivery. Seller should accept responsibility for using poor choice of padded envelope but buyer should also accept responsibility for not using a trustworthy source to receive the package. Just accept it as a cost of doing business by internet and mailing. If buyer doesn't like it, he should shop only at brick and mortar stores.
 
Alternately, if seller believes that buyer did not receive the item as mailed out, then seller can do the gracious thing and refund the entire price. But like I said, he needs to wait a month for the check to fully clear.
 
GrReaper said:
Seller should have made a copy of the cashier's check before depositing. And packaging and mailing, unfortunately, is at the crux of the discussion, I don't know how it can be taken out of it. Seller should have used a box, as it is safer. A check can take up to three weeks to clear. Asking the bank about it does not guarantee anything. They will tell you to wait. Seller needs to wait at least three weeks before he can even think about refunding money. Buyer should wait patiently because he is the one who sent a cashier's check. If the check finally clears, after a month, the seller should contact buyer to work it out. My opinion is that they should split the loss. I'm sure the postal insurance will deny claim. There are lessons for both buyer and seller here. Buyers should use paypal or postal money order, not cashier's checks, if they want quick refunds. Sellers should only accept paypal or postal money order and should mail out in a box, not padded envelope, unless it's a very cheap item worth less than $20.
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You are absolutely incorrect in what you have said here. A cashiers Check can ABSOLUTELY be verified by the issuing bank. The seller just needs to call with the check information. A Cashiers Check is guaranteed funds, and WILL clear providing it's a legit check, and not fraudulent.

Also, at this point it does not matter what the knives were shipped in as the package arrived sealed, and unmolested according to the buyer.
 
The issuing bank can verify immediately, the receiving bank must wait till it clears the issuer. Bank issued MOs are more quick to verify than Western Union money orders which are the ones most often faked.
 
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