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Jiminy, Look at your argument. You're contradiciting yourself to some extent. First you say that Pitbulls have been an ongoing problem...Then you say that the people who own these dogs usually own them for (basically the wrong reasons),...Then you say that Pitbulls are an accident waiting to happen.

Wrong. I'm saying that's it's a combination of things that results in the attacks, including the genetic makeup and natural tendencies of the dog, the fact that they are frequently owned by drug dealers, neer-do-wells, and those with small penis complexes ...the fact that they were bred for, and are still frequently used for fighting ...all this equates to pit bull type breeds being an accident waiting to happen. Sad but true.

Do you then outlaw and exterminate the next evil breed?
Well, let's see ...if you get another breed of dog, say Rottweiler, that drug dealers, neer-do-wells, and those with small penis complexes abuse to the point where they become a problem, then I suppose you do. Either that, or go after the scumbag drug dealers, neer-do-wells, and those with small penis complexes that are contributing to the problem.

For example ...we took our dog to obedience school recently (this happened in the advanced obedience school class). One of the people in the class was a rather 'rough around the edges lady' (biker chick?) with a rottweiler. She was a leash jerker. Meaning that, the poor dog was constantly having the stupid wench jerk the $hi^ out of it's neck every 15 seconds or so, if not more ...for no apparent reason other than the woman attempting to maintain her dominance over the dog. She was probably afraid of it ...though it looked like a nice enough dog to me. Combine that with the chokechain that she had on the dog, and that's an accident waiting to happen. Sooner or later that dog is going to get tired of the constant abuse, and turn on the lady. Fortunately for those who happen to be around when it happens, the rottweiler is smart enough to limit it's attack on the leash-jerking woman in question. Pittbulls aren't that bright.

I had to laugh in that class, as one of the 'tests' for graduation was that you left your dog with the instructor holding the leash, and went and 'hid' out of sight of the dog, then had to call your dog and have it come to you. The event was timed. It came the rottweiler's turn. We all stood there by the rottweiler as the lady went and hid. The instructor let go of the leash, the lady called the dog ...and the dog just stood there. The lady continued calling ...the dog looked at us standing there, and proceeded to wag it's tail and walk towards us and away from the direction where the owner was hidden. I laughed so hard I thought I was going to piss myself. We all did. We basically ended up having to 'shoo' the poor dog away so that it would go to it's owner (still calling her dog) ...as no one knew what else to do. I think the poor guy was just so happy at not having his neck constantly jerked he wanted to hang with us. Anyways, too funny, and serves her right. Some people just have no business owning certain breeds.

As for wolf crosses ...they rank way, way down on the list of dog bites by breed. In that instance it was indeed a 'bum rap'.
 
jiminy said:
As for wolf crosses ...they rank way, way down on the list of dog bites by breed. In that instance it was indeed a 'bum rap'.


No ****! There's only between 125,000-300,000(estimated) wolf dogs in the entire US. There's an estimated 60,000 pit bulls in the city of Chicago alone.
 
I would strongly ask you to reconsider the boxer. They are all over teriffic dogs. They fart wickedly, though, and will dig holes in your yard, but are some of the best dogs I've ever owned.

BTW, I took my french bulldog to the dog park the other day, and a bigger dog went after him pretty viciously ( also a pup) It was a pit, but I can't recognize them by sight. The owner had a huge microphone necklace on, and some people had had problems with that dog/guy before.
Shepards are great, but they do get to a certain age where they start to lose their grip on reality, and start acting a little off, in my (5) shepard experience. I had a rott that was sweet as apple pie, and had to give her up b/c of hip dysplasia (sp?).
I also had a retriever, good dog, but smelly. Look at bedlington terriers if you want something different.
But really, get a boxer.
 
jiminy said:
Wrong. I'm saying that's it's a combination of things that results in the attacks, including the genetic makeup and natural tendencies of the dog, ...all this equates to pit bull type breeds being an accident waiting to happen. Sad but true.


Pittbulls aren't that bright.


As for wolf crosses ...they rank way, way down on the list of dog bites by breed. In that instance it was indeed a 'bum rap'.
Oh man...you just don't get it do you? Obviously, you are a self-made dog expert. How many Pit Bulls have you owned? Not how many you might have seen, but owned and interacted with? Let me say this one more time about the "genetic make-up" because I don't think you're getting this part. Now read along and move your lips with the words if you have to..........
PIT BULLS WERE NEVER EVER INTENDED TO BE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS PEOPLE!!!
So stop with all the "genetics" gibberish because it is all too obvious you know not what you say.
Second point "Pit Bulls aren't all that bright" Says you? I think if you spent the day with a well trained one, you might think otherwise. I am no pro when it comes to training, but my dogs amaze me with the creative things they do. With your narrow mindedness, YOU Sir are the one that is coming off as "not very bright"
Third. Bum rap for the Wolf/Hybrids? Wouldn't their "genetic make-up" lead them to be more prone to attacks? After all, wolves hunt and kill things. They have since the dawn of time. Yet the ones I have been around have always been nice. Watchful and alert, but great dogs. My wife had one for almost eleven years and never an issue. Explain that Dr. Canine, because with your reasoning, this dog should have slaughtered entire school districts worth of kids.
 
Confusing jiminy with facts again, ey!

I reckon he really hates that. Sheeple can't stand having their little made up fantasies challenged with dem big ol' evil FACTS.

Careful, he might lash out and bite someone. Then we'll have to put him down. :)
 
almost forgot what the original question was.
I've had GSD's since before my daughters were born and they have been great dogs, however if I was looking for a dog to be a young childs companion that could take some rough and tumble and at the same time be basically good natured.
I had a boston terrier when I was in my early 20's it was a great dog, gentle as hell ( we got her at 5 as a rescue) we had her about a month and my dranparent came over and when I started play fighting with their boxer, that little terrier was hell on wheels coming to my defence. Luckily they were both good dogs and we were able to end it quickly.
I would have another one in a second HOWEVER they fart a blue streak.
Standard poodles are great
Keeshonds are great
norwegien elkhounds can be good
collies need jobs to do or they become bored and destructive
cairn terriers are usually very good, however I have heard of the odd male being a bitter
golden retrievers are probaly to much for a young child and can be biters as well.
multipoo's can be great
mixed breeds can be great if you know the animals histroy or at least it's parentage

Good luck
 
PIT BULLS WERE NEVER EVER INTENDED TO BE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS PEOPLE!!!
Nevertheless, they are anyways.
Second point "Pit Bulls aren't all that bright" Says you? I think if you spent the day with a well trained one, you might think otherwise.
I suppose that depends on what your definition of 'bright' is. If an individual has low expectations from the get-go, then the pitbull may appear to be a f#&*ing genius.

Third. Bum rap for the Wolf/Hybrids? Wouldn't their "genetic make-up" lead them to be more prone to attacks? After all, wolves hunt and kill things. They have since the dawn of time. Yet the ones I have been around have always been nice. Watchful and alert, but great dogs. My wife had one for almost eleven years and never an issue. Explain that Dr. Canine, because with your reasoning, this dog should have slaughtered entire school districts worth of kids.
Actually, for whatever reason, there have been very few documented attacks by wolves on humans. Probably because they'd rather eat tastier game ...and are smart enough to know the difference between game animals and humans.

Confusing jiminy with facts again, ey!

I reckon he really hates that. Sheeple can't stand having their little made up fantasies challenged with dem big ol' evil FACTS.
LOL! And apparently pit bull owners can't let the cold hard truth get in the way of their fanboy style promotion of the breed.
 
No ****! There's only between 125,000-300,000(estimated) wolf dogs in the entire US.
There were approx 300,000 wolf-hybrids in the United States in 1994/1995. That was 10 years ago. I don't imagine the number has decreased. Anyone have any more current figures?

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm

And here's a selective quote from the article (written by a Veterinary Medical Officer, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Regulatory Enforcement and Animal Care, United States Department of Agriculture ...I might add), talking about the agressive nature of wolves as opposed to dogs:

" Dogs are more aggressive than wolves, because they were not subject to the same selective pressures as the wolf. In addition, a number of dog breeds were developed specifically for their fighting ability and aggressive tendencies."

Gee, I wonder what breed(s) of dog they were referring to in that last part? :)
 
What's 'interesting' is that the higher the percentage of wolf in a wolf-hybrid, the more docile it is. The agressiveness is caused by the 'dog' in the mix.

Did you get that? Wolf-hybrids above 75% wolf are more gentle. The lesser the percentage of wolf, the more agressive the animal.
 
jiminy said:
Gee, I wonder what breed(s) of dog they were referring to in that last part? :)


Dobermans springs to mind first, they were bread for guard dog duties.
 
I wonder why every post from jiminy includes an obligatory "LOL"?

Are the voices in his head really that funny?

I do wish he'd stop giggling like a 12 year old school girl though, it's getting on my nerves.
 
Runs With Scissors said:
In the meantime my striped killer pitbull snores away at my feet, happy to just be with his adopted family.

Ditto. Mine are both snoring away peacefully.

One of mine is even striped too like yours.

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One thing is clear, if I wanted a dog to go with some sort of "tough-guy image" as jiminy tries to insinuate for most pitbull owners, I would have been better off getting a couple of dogs that don't get chased around the house by my two cats.

Mind you I've got a couple of really bad ass cats, I doubt any dog would dare to mess with them. :D
 
Emanuel said:
I wonder why every post from jiminy includes an obligatory "LOL"?

Are the voices in his head really that funny?

I do wish he'd stop giggling like a 12 year old school girl though, it's getting on my nerves.
Maybe the sphincter halo has cut off enough oxygen to make everything funny? :confused:
Off to make sure my kids are still alive.....any day now, Jiminy is sure to prove me wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Help me.........my pits woke up and they're attacking me relentlessly..........


help...........they're licking me to death...........help......
 
I wonder why every post from jiminy includes an obligatory "LOL"?

Are the voices in his head really that funny?

I do wish he'd stop giggling like a 12 year old school girl though, it's getting on my nerves.
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Maybe the sphincter halo has cut off enough oxygen to make everything funny?
Off to make sure my kids are still alive.....any day now, Jiminy is sure to prove me wrong.

Because I've just got to laugh at the juvenile name-calling, insults, and disparaging remarks being used as the basis of the bulk of your arguments.

Or would you rather I just classify you as belonging to the segment of pit bull owners with small penises?
 
Let me ask you this: What would you pit bull owners do with your dogs if they ever did, say, attack and bite your small children? Just curious.
 
have him put down immediately. (this is under the assumption of an unprovoked attack, not the brat next door trying to shove sticks up the dogs a$$ or something)
 
Dangerous dogs and humans need to be put down.

Mind you, if you were to meet my two pitbulls you'd know how rediculous it is to imagine them hurting any kids.

Ofcourse, any conclusion that does not agree with jiminy's opinion that pitbulls are some sort of killing machine breed will not be accepted by him.

So what's the point?

This is getting old.

And jiminy, stop thinking so much about penises.
 
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