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The article says that he died of old age, not poison. This is verified by the owner. Where'd you read about the death being suspect?

I always thought Petey was a bulldog/boxer mix, not a full blown pitbull.
 
LFH said:
Someone said they wanted proof. Here's one about a Rot..

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/052705_local_dogbite.html

I don't think this kid believes that this hysterical media hype...
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That's a rottweiler. Different breed.
Good breed on a whole despite that one case.

You can find examples of attacks for all dogs.

Reminds me of an incident that took place here in New Zealand.

A woman was killed by her dog.
It was a Mastiff, but ofcourse in true fashion the reporter called it a pitbull. Typical.

Just sounds better I guess. That's how it seems pitbulls cause the greatest amount of attacks. Most people don't have a clue what a pitbull looks like.

Yesterday I saw a t-shirt for sale with an English Bull-terrier on the front. It was called an AMerican Pitbull on the shirt.

SO what's the answer? Killing off every dog bigger than a Chihuahua?
 
silenthunterstudios said:
The article says that he died of old age, not poison. This is verified by the owner. Where'd you read about the death being suspect?

I always thought Petey was a bulldog/boxer mix, not a full blown pitbull.
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I just noticed that. And in many other places it says he was poisened. I don't know.:

"He was poisoned, probably by someone with a grudge against Harry Lucenay. The OG kids were inconsolable upon learning of Pete's death. But since Lucenay was breeding a "Pete" line, he was able to substitute one of Pete's descendants. The second Pete has the circle on the opposite eye and the ears and front legs have a slightly
different coloring. The seconds Pete only stayed at Roach Studios for two years, because Lucenay was fired.

PETE THE PUP

"He was a gentle, playful and warm dog. He would sleep at the foot of my bed. He was just the regular family dog. I really miss him." Harry Lucenary

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pete.html

picture gallery of pete and the kids:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pete2.html
 
Nope that site is all I have.
WHatever happened to Petey, he was a typically great pitbull.

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About Dog Bite Statistics

The statistics on dog bite related fatalities vary considerably between studies. Nevertheless, there are numerous problems with most dog bite statistics. First and foremost, the vast majority of these statistics provide raw numbers, and are not normalized to reflect the prevalence of any given breed in the overall population of dogs. Without this information, it is impossible to determine the comparative risk of one breed over another from dog bite

Dog Bite Reports
Dog bite reports unchanged although fatal attacks by animals always seem to grab headlines. Authorities say the numbers of such incidents are not rising, according to a new study soon to be published in the The Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The new study of dog bites through 1997 shows that while overall numbers have remained nearly constant, the number of pit bull attacks have declined but the amount of Rottweiler attacks have climbed.

Another issue:

Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". Try this little quiz for fun: See how many people you know can pick out a pit bull from pictures, let alone in the middle of an attack.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

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Important Fact: The ADBA registered 220,000 APBTs in 1999, making them the #1 dog in America. According to the latest statistics, Pit Bulls do NOT top the chart when it comes to deadly dog attacks.
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Search the Center for Disease Control site. Even the CDC supports the position that irresponsible owners, not breed, are the chief cause of dog bites. They have done studies that indicate that the most "dangerous breed" of dog changes with popularity and reputation.

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Search the American Temperament Test Society. Pit bulls have an average score that almost on par with the "ultimate family dog", the Golden Retriever. It beats many many dogs you'd never think are aggressive:
http://www.atts.org/
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The Diane Whipple case. One of the first times the owner has been held responsible for the actions of their dog. Note that the breed involved was the Perro de Presa Canario (Canary Dog) from Spain, yet the brunt of the negative press again targeted the pit bull, an all but unrelated breed.

Clearly the message is lets stop targeting the dogs! Pit Bulls are no more dangerous than any other strong and large dog. They just happen to attract more irresponsible and abusive owners than any other breed... Ironically, by portraying them in a negative way, the media and breed legislators only make them irresistibly attractive to individuals with bad intentions. Do Pit Bull haters really think that after banning the breed all the criminals who use these dogs as weapons will own Basset Hounds? And if they did, how long do you think it would take before Basset Hounds start making the news?
A breed ban will only remove Pit Bulls from the good people's homes and leave them in the hands of animal abusers who couldn't care less about the law... Better think twice before supporting such measure...
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A 10 Lbs Pomeranian killed a baby a few years ago... Obviously a problem with that particular dog, not the breed. "The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)"
 
silenthunterstudios said:
I was going to get a Jack Russel for my little sister, but was told by Jack owners that they are very terrirtorial. Great with kids, but if you have other dogs in the house, the Jack will make him or her self the leader of the pack. They will assert dominance over all other dogs. One of my fathers friends told him that his Jack Russell asserted dominance over two full grown Dobermans.
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Well, it has been said that JRTs are big dogs in little bodies. The Boarder Patrol K-9 training headquarters is in my area. They bring trailers of dogs up to our campus on a regular basis. I think it is funny when I am walking my little JRT and his hackles go up at the sight and smell of those big Boarder Patrol dogs. He doesn't realize that he would be little more than a mouthful for those guys.

Seikan1
 
I would like to have a Jack Russel, myself. I'm looking at getting a Chesapeake Bay retriever, any type of Labrador, golden retriever and German sheperd, as well as the JRT. Not all at the same time of course, but I'm a firm believer in the notion that you should have two dogs at once, mainly for those two dogs. All of my dogs have been outside dogs, and need some good interaction for the times that you're not there.

BTW, I've heard about JRT's climbing trees during raccoon hunts, bounding over 6 ft high fences. Anybody seen this happen? I was told this by a man I revere very much, a good friend of my fathers, but would like to hear some JTR stories.
 
silenthunterstudios said:
I would like to have a Jack Russel, myself. I'm looking at getting a Chesapeake Bay retriever, any type of Labrador, golden retriever and German sheperd, as well as the JRT. Not all at the same time of course, but I'm a firm believer in the notion that you should have two dogs at once, mainly for those two dogs. All of my dogs have been outside dogs, and need some good interaction for the times that you're not there.

BTW, I've heard about JRT's climbing trees during raccoon hunts, bounding over 6 ft high fences. Anybody seen this happen? I was told this by a man I revere very much, a good friend of my fathers, but would like to hear some JTR stories.
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I don't know about a six foot fence...but my little JRT (named Pogo) can do quite a bit of jumping. I have seen him jump to the kitchen counter from the ground with no problem...(about 4 feet high). I have seen him jump culverts and ditches that were too wide for me to jump.

On a side note...I love the Boxers and Labs too...but for some reason the labs that I have had tend to have an odor more than most short haired dogs do...I grew up with Boxers and plan on having another soon.

A lady I know helps raise seeing eye dogs. The ones she always gets are Lab pups. They are intelligent and kind for the most part...they have to be or they wash out of the program.

Seikan1
 
All of my retrievers have had un Godly smells. This is mainly due to my father giving them leftovers all of the time. They were always perplexed as to why I was throwing them out of my room at 2 AM.

I kept on trying to explain to them that they smelled like they ate a barrel of rotten beans, but they just wagged their tails and smiled at me while I cursed their names :D.


Wow, when they smell like that, I just throw them outside, they probably need to release some bad energy anyway ;).
 
The most trouble free dog that I've ever seen is our rat terrier. We picked it because it was small and gets along with kids and small animals. They are more friendly than Jack Russels, but look pretty similar. We had a couple cats and they adjusted to the dog pretty soon. It is very agile and athletic. It has short hair and is clean. My wife and I joke that it is the world's best cat. It is affectionate, eager to please, very intelligent and easy to train. It will alert you to intruders, but does not bark at the neighbors. Fully grown our RT only ways 15 pounds.

Our rat terrier was a carefully considered choice. On a whim my wife bought a toy fox terrier that can really be a hastle. He only ways 5 pounds yet his barking can annoy neighbors that are 50 yards away. When he only weighed 3 pounds he started to rip up carpet. He throws a fit if we won't let him out to chase deer.

Here's a link to some RT info.
http://www.ratterrierclub.com/facts/
 
Emanuel, I took your "pick the Pitbull challange" and could only say for sure that I believe 17 of the 25 dogs were NOT Pitbulls. Not very good, huh?
 
Emanuel said:
How about micro chipping and killing off sheeple instead?
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There's a greenie on the way for that one! Oh yes. :D




I took that pit test. Nailed it, but I'm sort of an expert witness.

Take this for what's its worth: the fighting breeds can be fine house pets, but I think even their proponents would, if they reflected on it reasonably, agree that once someone has to ask, "What breed should I get?" that means they should not get a fighting-breed dog. An inexperienced owner with one of these dogs can be nearly as bad as a malicious one.

If you've never ridden a motorcycle, you shouldn't be buying a 'Busa. And Miguel Duhamel doesn't ask, "What bike should I get?" ;)
 
A Dogs Best Friend said:
Emanuel, I took your "pick the Pitbull challange" and could only say for sure that I believe 17 of the 25 dogs were NOT Pitbulls. Not very good, huh?
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Keep in mind you're a dog expert. Most people who don't really know dogs much would do FAR worse than that. It's actually really tough if you don't really know this breed.

Most people will instinctively say a bad dog is a pitbull just because of what they've heard on TV and because they can't think of another name. Ofcourse "pitbull" is on the edge of most people's toungues.

Stay sharp mate!
Emanuel
 

Emanuel: "For what it's worth, Petey was killed by an idiot who didn't like the owner."

Silenthunterstudios: "The article says that he died of old age, not poison. This is verified by the owner."

Emanuel: "WHatever happened to Petey, he was a typically great pitbull"

Huh? WTF? First he was killed by the ignorant anti-pitbull "sheeple" ...and then it's "Oh well, whatever...he was great". LOL! WTF is up with that?

Lets face it, the pitbull fanboy sites are going to say whatever they can, from wherever they can, in whatever manner they can, to try and deflect criticism of the pitbull type breeds.
But whatever they may claim, it certainly doesn't make any of their false flag arguments true. Nor does it change the fact that pitbulls have been an ongoing problem since the early 1980's ...for going on 25 years now. This isn't a 'fad' ...it's a fact.
And unfortunately for the breed, the people who own these types of dogs are usually owning them for reasons that have nothing to do with them 'doing it for the love of the breed' ...to the detriment of those who happen to be unlucky enough to be located near them.

Put everything together ....and the pitbull type breeds are, generally speaking, an accident waiting to happen. That's a fact.
 
not to get into the "this dog is a monster due to the type of breed" argument, I have two very affectionate Hybrids they are 3/4 timberwolf and 1/4 German shepherd, I would trust them with small kids as the worst they would do is lick them to death. I used to let my then three year old grandaughter out in the yard to play with them and she would come back in crying and when I asked her what was wrong the answer was "they pushed me down" the did have a bad habbit of liking to jump up and put their front paws on people (big or little) so I told her "don't let them jump on you if you see them start to jump just thump them in the nose and tell them NO!." I watched from the window one day and my oldest dog then five went to jump up on her, she thumped it in the nose and told it no and it sat right down at her feet and let her pet it. They never jumped on her again and she didn't ever thump them again, she would play for hours with them, all they wanted was her full attention and to have her pet them. These dogs based on their breed in some areas are named "man killers" but let me tell ya all they want is food, water and lots of affection. They are not cat friendly however and when they got out of our yard were found to be playing with a bunch of little kids who were having fun feeding them peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. the parents called the police because they were afraid of the dogs... I called the police because in a small town I wanted to locate my dogs. end story dogs located put back in yard and their escape method figured out and thwarted. I firmly believe that it is not the animal in the wrong but its owner or poor training on the owners part that makes most dogs of any breed vicious. And I can't stand the Trash owners, druggy or not, that go out and beat a dog untill it attacks just because they want an agressive "defense dog". My suggestion to you is to find a dog big enough and stout enough that your kids can't do it serious harm by doing the normal kid things, small enough that you can man handle it if neccesary (bath time for dog, or keeping dog from going after other animal or people) and with a happy go-lucky disposition. Fact is most dog bites occur from small dogs but are not reported due to the fact that the "injury" or lack thereof isn't as severe as the bite from a medium to large dog. Go to the local pound and find a dog there that meets your needs, or go to a reputable breeder if you want a pure bred animal, get the dog you want but be willing to spend the time to train it correctly even if this means laying out some of your hard earned cash so you can go to a dog trainer and have him/her show you how to train your dog. Don't be an irresponsible owner, and if you have a dog breed that is on the "list" just give it some extra attention and be willing to take responsibility for its actions.

on a side note if my dogs got loose and got onto someones property and the property owner kills my dog, then shame on me, if your dog or cat gets on my property and I see fit to put that animal down then shame on you. You are ultimately responsible for your animals actions regardless of the type/breed/specie of the animal.
 
jiminy said:
....Nor does it change the fact that pitbulls have been an ongoing problem since the early 1980's ...
And unfortunately for the breed, the people who own these types of dogs are usually owning them for reasons that have nothing to do with them 'doing it for the love of the breed' ...
Put everything together ....and the pitbull type breeds are, generally speaking, an accident waiting to happen. That's a fact.
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Jiminy, Look at your argument. You're contradiciting yourself to some extent. First you say that Pitbulls have been an ongoing problem...Then you say that the people who own these dogs usually own them for (basically the wrong reasons),...Then you say that Pitbulls are an accident waiting to happen.

I'm not picking on you here. But, this is bad logic in my opinion. You are blaming the problem on the breed. But, it's obvious to you that the people who own them for the wrong reasons are the main problem. The people are the problem, not the dogs. The problem is bad human behavior, as is the case with gun violence or stabbings with knives or traffic fatalities involving alcohol. You can't blame an inanimate object or in this case the specific breed of dog for "Pitbull problems."

The reason I'm addressing your post is that it's important to realize where the problem lies. If we pretend to live in a world where Pitbull type breeds, all of them, are outlawed. And eventually exterminated! Your problem still is not solved. The reason is because the human beings who chose Pitbulls to be modified by breeding and behavioral conditioning are still going to be part of the equation. Eliminate the dog, but the breeder/conditioner is still extant. He is still there to choose a new breed to modify and mold into his vision of the perfect "junkyard dog."

My question to you then jiminy is this; Do you then outlaw and exterminate the next evil breed?
 
My question to you then jiminy is this said:
they tried to do this with the Wolf/Shepherd mix or "Wolf Hybrid/Hybrid" but the US department of agriculture made a ruling on the Beefalo which stated if you breed a wild animal to a domestic animal the offspring is domestic (buffalo bred to cow = Beefalo = domestic animal) if you breed a domestic to a domestic then you get domestic, wild to wild you get wild i.e. the Liger (tiger bred with a lyon, and yes there are a couple or were) so based on that Wolf + German shepperd = domestic.

I keep a copy of that little law so that if my dog ever did bite someone they wouldn't kill it to chop its head off to do rabies testing (they say rabies vaccine doesn't work for wild animals) and yes if my dog bit I know I could be liable for damages or worse. I have a friend who's dog scratched a girl, barely left a mark, the girl was on his property (climbed fence) after being asked not to be and she was tormenting his dog, the dog barely broke the skin with his claw and the girl claimed it to be a bite hence the sherrif's department involvement this dog had no wolf in it but looked like it might (akita/chow mix I think, maybe an akita husky mix) they killed the animal on his property before any trial or charges could be made and took its head for "examination" he ended up getting one heck of a settlement from the county and state and used the law written for the beefalo to do it.
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