Neighbor Opens Package

[wolfdog]

While most here feel your frustration, I'm not so sure your neighbor did much wrong either. I usually assume mail/packages left with me are mine and often open them without looking at the return addresses. And yes, there has been a few times that I have opened my neighbor's mail as well. Moreover, I can't remember right off what Buck uses for their return address, but I am almost certain that they don't use "Buck Knives" anywhere so the return address on the package was most likely rather meaningless to your neighbor, even if he had bothered to look. Your neighbor may have been expecting packages of his own, particularly at this time of year, and simply opening it believing it was his own. So, IMHO, your neighbor was honest and returned the package to you the very first thing this morning; you have received the knives and if they are not damaged, all should be well. Be thankful!!

Good point.

(I guess I'm debating what I'd do in that situation. Fortunately it hasn't ever happened to me.)

 

[Buck_110]

...I do think that the fair outcome would be for Buck to exchange the possibly flawed knives and charge the carrier for the extra shipping cost.

How on earth would this be a fair outcome? Bucksstophere freely admitted his neighbor was the culprit. UPS OFTEN leaves packages with neighbors when people aren't home. Why do you think it's fair that Buck take responsibility for any damage that a weasel may have done? I would be willing to bet Buck did not put "deliver to a neighbor" on the address label.

 

[Buck_110]

That's lynch mob thinking. Not legal. Not right.

It's not lynch mob thinking, it's all me thinking. I did NOT state to step outside the law to gain revenge. You merely assumed that. However, one can be VERY intimidating while not breaking any laws. I guess it all comes down to what state one resides in. And yes, I live in a red state. What wasn't right was his neighbor opening his package.

There are more honorable ways to deal with this.

What would you suggest?

 

[110 Dave]

wow .. well my post mans leaves packages next door if i am at doctor with wife
day or two late is all..
ups or fed x
drop on porch and run.. literary!! if some thing required sig as this seemed to then
they should not have left with any one else

 

[Bucksstophere]

Just to clarify i live on the 3rd floor and the package was deliverd to the first floor. It was NOT a case of "leaving it with a neighbor"

 

[Buck_110]

Just to clarify i live on the 3rd floor and the package was deliverd to the first floor. It was NOT a case of "leaving it with a neighbor"

That tidbit of information changes things quite a bit. You did not originally state that. YOU started this thread with: "Neighbor Opens Package." Now, I personally no longer care about the outcome. YOU should have been forthcoming from the beginning. In my book, an omission is no different from a lie.

 

[110 Dave]

It's not lynch mob thinking, it's all me thinking. I did NOT state to step outside the law to gain revenge. You merely assumed that. However, one can be VERY intimidating while not breaking any laws. I guess it all comes down to what state one resides in. And yes, I live in a red state. What wasn't right was his neighbor opening his package.

What would you suggest?

yes there are many ways to do things and not break the law
what one does not want to do is any thing considered a threat!!
this becomes 'Assault' !

 

[Bucksstophere]

That tidbit of information changes things quite a bit. You did not originally state that. YOU started this thread with: "Neighbor Opens Package." Now, I personally no longer care about the outcome. YOU should have been forthcoming from the beginning. In my book, an omission is as good as a lie.

huh? i didnt say next door neighbor-a neighbor could be down the street for crying out loud! Somebody help me here.

 

[Buck_110]

yes there are many ways to do things and not break the law
what one does not want to do is make any thing considered a threat!!
this becomes 'Assault' !
as to other things
you can call building inspectors, zoning or other things exp:
- a house down the street the 14yo what lives there
the wife and i have cought steeling bikes ,getting in to our and others cars
i caught the owner of the house and said to him
you have quite a number of zoning violations and i really dont care
but if any thing and i mean any thing else happens to my car or my grand daughters bikes or my house i will call zoning every day tell you are in compliance..
nothing else has happened...been almost a year now..

Thank you for clarifying the meaning behind my statement. Your scenario hits the nail on the head. Great minds think alike. I know why we're friends.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Ease up!

UPS made a bad delivery. The neighbor opened the package without looking at the label, thinking it was for him. He looked inside and wondered who sent him knives, then realized whose package it was, and delivered it to the rightful owner. He's the good guy.

 

[Flatlander1963]

yes there are many ways to do things and not break the law
what one does not want to do is make any thing considered a threat!!
this becomes 'Assault' !
as to other things
you can call building inspectors, zoning or other things exp:
- a house down the street the 14yo what lives there
the wife and i have cought steeling bikes ,getting in to our and others cars
i caught the owner of the house and said to him
you have quite a number of zoning violations and i really dont care
but if any thing and i mean any thing else happens to my car or my grand daughters bikes or my house i will call zoning every day tell you are in compliance..
nothing else has happened...been almost a year now..

I generally like to avoid a fight like that one Dave but sometimes one has to get into it. You da man Dave...I like how you handle that. I might have ended up sticking my finger in the kid's Dads face.

Now I have been sitting here reading all this and think the O.P. has been sort of melodramatic about it all. Frankly, I don't understand why you cant inspect your knives and see if anything is wrong, damaged, or missing (Buck's customer service people can help here...just call). I don't recall the O.P. saying anything was wrong with them other than the boxes were opened. I've looked at knives I bought and put them away and sold them as new because they were still in mint/new condition.

The logic of going after Buck for all this evades me completely hence the sense its all a bunch of melodrama.

In any case, UPS should be notified of the error in delivery at a minimum. Next, a talk with the neighbor is in order if anything is amiss in the package other than the fact the box was opened and the knifes looked at. Finially, inquire with Buck about a partial refund if you paid full price and the reduction was made just days after. Buck has done that in the past.

Otherwise, its just one of life's little lumps.

 

[wolfdog]

I generally like to avoid a fight like that one Dave but sometimes one has to get into it. You da man Dave...I like how you handle that. I might have ended up sticking my finger in the kid's Dads face.

Now I have been sitting here reading all this and think the O.P. has been sort of melodramatic about it all. Frankly, I don't understand why you cant inspect your knives and see if anything is wrong, damaged, or missing (Buck's customer service people can help here...just call). I don't recall the O.P. saying anything was wrong with them other than the boxes were opened. I've looked at knives I bought and put them away and sold them as new because they were still in mint/new condition.

The logic of going after Buck for all this evades me completely hence the sense its all a bunch of melodrama.

In any case, UPS should be notified of the error in delivery at a minimum. Next, a talk with the neighbor is in order if anything is amiss in the package other than the fact the box was opened and the knifes looked at. Finially, inquire with Buck about a partial refund if you paid full price and the reduction was made just days after. Buck has done that in the past.

Otherwise, its just one of life's little lumps.

that makes sense, flatlander. Buck really did nothing wrong. From my conversation with them yesterday it looks like they have plenty on their hands already with a decreased staff. I wouldn't trouble them unless it was really necessary.

 

[Bucksstophere]

I may have a little OCD but damn all i wanted was my order delivered to me unopened and im pissed that didnt happen-real pissed.

and of course it had to happen on the most expensive knife i ever bought and then the price thing was just the topper.

 

[Buck_110]

I generally like to avoid a fight like that one...but sometimes one has to get into it. I might have ended up sticking my finger in the kid's Dads face.

Just a finger?

Now I have been sitting here reading all this and think the O.P. has been sort of melodramatic about it all. Frankly, I don't understand why you cant inspect your knives and see if anything is wrong, damaged, or missing (Buck's customer service people can help here...just call). I don't recall the O.P. saying anything was wrong with them other than the boxes were opened. I've looked at knives I bought and put them away and sold them as new because they were still in mint/new condition.

I agree 100%! He's going to have to open the boxes in the future when he plans on selling them to take pictures of the knives for any potential buyers. Even if he doesn't plan on selling any in the future, one would at least think he would open the boxes to inspect the knives to make sure they're perfect.

 

[Flatlander1963]

I may have a little OCD but damn all i wanted was my order delivered to me unopened and im pissed that didnt happen-real pissed.

It'll pass. Call UPS and tell them what happened and let us know as now this one has everyones interest.

Just a finger?

LOL, Buck110...I do try to be a pleasant sort of fella most of the time

 

[338375]

I guess I can see your frustration, opening a box with a new knife in it is like Christmas...

However, once the package leaves the Buck House, it is completely out of their control. Therefore, I don't think you have any reason to be unhappy with them, with the exception of the price reduction. I wouldn't get to worked up over that until you talk to them, and see if they will honor the difference...

It shouldn't be to difficult to see if anything is missing. If its not, why get all worked up over it. Just because the knives were taken out of the box and fondled, doesn't change the fact that they are still new in box. Unless the neighbor used them to cut stuff with before returning them to you..
If thats the case, its time to have a little "chat" with your neighor

Heck they were fondled by the folks at Buck before they were sent out.

I guess it just takes a lot more for me to get worked up about something.
Now if it was 20 years ago, it would be a different story

 

[Bucksstophere]

I guess I can see your frustration, opening a box with a new knife in it is like Christmas...

However, once the package leaves the Buck House, it is completely out of their control. Therefore, I don't think you have any reason to be unhappy with them, with the exception of the price reduction. I wouldn't get to worked up over that until you talk to them, and see if they will honor the difference...

It shouldn't be to difficult to see if anything is missing. If its not, why get all worked up over it. Just because the knives were taken out of the box and fondled, doesn't change the fact that they are still new in box. Unless the neighbor used them to cut stuff with before returning them to you..
If thats the case, its time to have a little "chat" with your neighor

Heck they were fondled by the folks at Buck before they were sent out.

I guess it just takes a lot more for me to get worked up about something.
Now if it was 20 years ago, it would be a different story

I am not mad at Buck at all but unless they tell me Title passes when they place it in transit (FOB shipping point), it is still their responsibility to get it to me. What if the guy kept it? The signature would show i didn't get it. Buck would have to reship and go after UPS. They hired UPS-not me.

I'll call them on Monday and we will work it out im sure.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Dave, Buck 110.....your comments have been juvenile and irresponsible.

Recommending starting a neighborhood feud and a vendetta of dirty tricks for revenge over nothing is profoundly inappropriate advice.

How are our younger readers going to learn proper behavior with you guys spouting off?

Talk like that gives the place a bad name.

If you were joking.....it was a very bad joke.

 

[Tin Sue]

I am not mad at Buck at all but unless they tell me Title passes when they place it in transit (FOB shipping point), it is still their responsibility to get it to me. What if the guy kept it? The signature would show i didn't get it. Buck would have to reship and go after UPS. They hired UPS-not me.

I'll call them on Monday and we will work it out im sure.

Well, that is where you are very wrong!! Once the package has left Buck, they have no further legal obligation; it is entirely the responsibility of the shipper, in this case UPS. Buck would not have to reship and go after UPS; that would be entirely between you and UPS, especially since the item has been tracked as being delivered. Buck's customer service is second to none, and I would sincerely hope that you would not call Buck and demonstrate that type of demanding attitude.

 

[BG42EDGE]

Well, it will be interesting to see how this turns out.

As far as I know, Buckstopshere is correct.

Buck had a contract with UPS to deliver, therefore the beef is between Buck and UPS and UPS failed to hold up their part of the contract.

Buckstopshere didn't have a contract with UPS......Buck did.

I'm sure Buck will see to it that the customer is satisfied and things are made right......and UPS owes Buck for any expense incurred.