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wsfarrell

wsfarrell

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As soon as I see these words in a "for sale" post I move to the next item.

It used to be "PayPal gift," which violated PayPal's TOS. Then it was "PayPal + 3.5%," which is just obnoxious. Now it's "net to me," which sellers seem to think is more acceptable. It's not.

I'm not the biggest fan of PayPal, but it does make e-commerce an awful lot easier. You're getting my x hundred dollars instantly for the knife you're selling. Don't ask ME to pay your fees.
 
It's a small percentage, and I would think that sellers would pay that amount in order to not have to deal with checks or money orders. When I get ready to sell something I always consider what the shipping cost will be and the paypal fees. I will price an item a little higher to compensate but I'm always aware of the reasonable price range for the items so I have to stay within that too. So in this way the buyer is sharing these costs with me and I don't have to mention it.

Philosophically this is a hobby that we get enjoyment from, if we buy an item at market price, get to enjoy it, then sell it at market price and it costs us some paypal fees and shipping then that is the cost of the hobby. I see too many sellers that seem to be trying to get rich in this hobby. I don't want to lose a lot of money buying and selling knives but I don't want to take advantage of buyers either.

I've never had much trouble with paypal but some people do so I can't completely defend them, but it does make things a lot more convenient. I used to have to make a trip to the post office and stand in line for 30 minutes to buy a money order when I wanted to buy something. With paypal it is almost instant.
 
Actually, paying the ~3.5% is part of the TOS that Sellers agree to pay in order to list items for sale. Sellers violate the rules when they ask a Buyer to pay this separately.

I don't understand why a Seller doesn't just include this amount into the total asking price rather than separate it out.
 
Threads like this do not belong in the General forum....moving to Feedback.
 
I agree with everything stated in this post. Glad to see so many level headed people here on BF!
 
CWL said:
Actually, paying the ~3.5% is part of the TOS that Sellers agree to pay in order to list items for sale. Sellers violate the rules when they ask a Buyer to pay this separately.

I don't understand why a Seller doesn't just include this amount into the total asking price rather than separate it out.
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I hope there will come a day when all will understand this. Not likely unless it could be made a rule here, and threads get locked if they add a fee, or a "net to me" comment.

Even worse when some want to profit from the fees. Seen one yesterday with a 4% fee.
PP charges 2.9% + 30 cents per transaction.
 
Twice now I've passed on buying a knife in the exchange for exactly this reason. I see "Gift or add xx% for fees" and I move on. It bothers me that much.

I've seen that using the gift option is highly frowned on because it's dishonest and violates PP's TOS, in addition to leaving the buyer with no recourse if the deal goes south. Well, asking the buyer to pay fee's is just as much a violation of the TOS. I wish there was the same level of discouragement toward this practice.

Thanks for bringing it up as it's been bothering me for a while too...
 
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I know there are quite a few sites that will figure out the Paypal fee's for ya, just use one of these and add shipping and post that price on your thread, it's not that hard. Unless International I post a all inclusive price.
 
pbcg said:
I've seen that using the gift option is highly frowned on because it's dishonest and violates PP's TOS
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I was going to use the gift option the other day because I was actually sending a gift and wasn't buying anything, and paypal wanted me to choose whether I paid the fees or the recipient paid the fees, so there was a fee paid no matter what.
 
bdmicarta said:
I was going to use the gift option the other day because I was actually sending a gift and wasn't buying anything, and paypal wanted me to choose whether I paid the fees or the recipient paid the fees, so there was a fee paid no matter what.
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Read this thread and you will see what I mean. The powers that be frown on the practice and the reason stated is because its dishonest.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1026625-Bad-Experience-with-wolf-man-12

see post #57

As the seller you agree to paying the fee's. Passing the cost of the fee's to the buyer is against the TOS. If you are in fact sending a gift then that's what the gift option is for...
 
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wsfarrell said:
As soon as I see these words in a "for sale" post I move to the next item.

It used to be "PayPal gift," which violated PayPal's TOS. Then it was "PayPal + 3.5%," which is just obnoxious. Now it's "net to me," which sellers seem to think is more acceptable. It's not.

I'm not the biggest fan of PayPal, but it does make e-commerce an awful lot easier. You're getting my x hundred dollars instantly for the knife you're selling. Don't ask ME to pay your fees.
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I agree
 
Ken44 said:
Even worse when some want to profit from the fees. Seen one yesterday with a 4% fee.
PP charges 2.9% + 30 cents per transaction.
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Do you actually think that asking for 4% to cover a fee, instead if 2.9% + $0.30 is profiting from the fee? Oh yes, that's clearly it. :rolleyes:
 
sticktodrum said:
Do you actually think that asking for 4% to cover a fee, instead if 2.9% + $0.30 is profiting from the fee? Oh yes, that's clearly it. :rolleyes:
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It does show that the seller went through the trouble to not-only avoid the fee but rounded the costs up to benefit himself. That's douchery IMO.
 
CWL said:
It does show that the seller went through the trouble to not-only avoid the fee but rounded the costs up to benefit himself. That's douchery IMO.
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Maybe so, but being determined to not lose money on a knife does not mean trying to make a profit.

You guys also shouldn't be so quick to call people things when they try to recoup fees. It's not much different from a lot of people at knife shows selling rare pieces at a premium or just at market price, for cash, and not paying sales tax. There are fees to be paid from selling goods at certain values, but take for granted handing someone a few hundred in cash all day at a show and many don't declare a dime of it.
 
have you ever heard of a web site called paypalsucks.com?? I got told about this site on another board and got told it is nothing but horror stories about people that got ripped off by PayPal.
when I sell on the net I sell switchblades. paypal will reverse the money in a heart beat if they find out that you where buying a switchblade knife. sorry money order only.
 
Why should the seller eat the fees for your credit card while trying to offer his best price? May be an easier way if is to offer a discount for a money order. I know, Let's have 3 prices for the way you want to pay, then 3 prices for how you might want it shipped, let me add my time to go to the post office to get you that quote and how about insurance? Why don't you just pay more from a retailer because you think it's easier and simpler? I know he's not in it for a profit. But you don't buy from a retailer you would rather buy here so you can ask for a discount on a knife. What bothers me is when someone complains about price yet is to stingy to have a gold membership.
 
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