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JDieseljoe69 said:
Just curious, how does everyone feel about knife X for $XXX and $15 shipping and handling? Or does everyone prefer just a one shot price?
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I like the one shot price which lists all the terms e.g. $XXX via PayPal includes shipping via FedUp 3-day to CONUS with insurance on full amount plus signature.

Also depends on the size of the knife... most folders can fit into a USPS priority small flat rate box which is ~$5.50 including $100 insurance. I think $300 insurance plus adult signature still makes it under $10...
 
Hmm. Interesting thread. I always learn a lot from these. I never went to business school nor am I a retailer. I've learned everything about selling knives from reading others for sale threads. After all the knives I've sold I've noticed a few things. People as a majority do not want to pay using Money Order and people often like to feel as though they are getting a deal. This is the second hand market after all. I think from a mental stand point seeing $xxx + 3% seems a better buy versus a flat cost of $xxx even though they are the same amount. Shipping costs, well that's another $xxx amount. After all is factored in it's almost the same cost as buying something brand new from a knife dealer.

I don't believe I've ever made a profit doing this, this is a hobby and it's supposed to be fun. However certain things work and certain things don't when it comes to selling multi hundred dollar sharp and pointy things. Net to me just seems an easier way to put forth "this is my asking price and that's how much I want in my pocket when all is said and done".

On the other hand, when selling something of high value, breaking out a calculator prior to posting a thread isn't a lot of work.

I just notice the masses saying this that or the other isn't right and it's a PINA and it should be THIS way instead, but when it is that way items sit forever. Certain things work for quick sales and certain things don't.

I will definitely be more thoughtful about my sale threads next time I post one , but there is always the mentality of if you don't like it don't buy it.

It's also interesting from a people watching standpoint of the people that wholeheartedly complain about PayPal but are rushing to defend their rules and regulations as if they have a vested interest in the company and don't want to see them taken advantage of.
 
bigmark408 said:
I'm not down for the NTM thing....it does give options...one being Postal M/O.

The insurance thing pi$$es me off more.

Folks give the buyer the option for insurance like it excludes them from the obligation of getting the product to the buyer.



Insurance is for the SELLER.

When someone sells something they get paid and it is their obligation to get it to the buyer...period.
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Mark I agree 1,000 percent, insurance is for the seller not the buyer

If the buyer never receives the item there has been no completed transaction

The seller is covering his butt incase the item doesn't reach the buyer

That's why it's the seller's responsibility to buy insurance
 
bigmark408 said:
I'm not down for the NTM thing....it does give options...one being Postal M/O.

The insurance thing pi$$es me off more.

Folks give the buyer the option for insurance like it excludes them from the obligation of getting the product to the buyer.

Insurance is for the SELLER.

When someone sells something they get paid and it is their obligation to get it to the buyer...period.
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Hmmmm. If a seller makes a buyer pay for insurance, I wonder if the Post Office will refuse to ever deliver the seller's mail again.

The bottom line is, if you accept PayPal as a payment method, you are morally and legally obligated to abide by PayPal's ToS. Some sellers will and some won't. So the question becomes whether PayPal's ToS are something BF is morally and legally obligated to enforce. AFAIC, that's a matter for BF management to decide. But I wouldn't expect anything to change if BF doesn't level the playing field.
 
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RiverRat84 said:
It's also interesting from a people watching standpoint of the people that wholeheartedly complain about PayPal but are rushing to defend their rules and regulations as if they have a vested interest in the company and don't want to see them taken advantage of.
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I have used Paypal since it began (they gave you $5 credit to join back then) since I value the guarantees PP gives to make sure that the money goes to who it should, and that they'll protect the participants if something shady goes down. -I have enjoyed their buyers protection on several occasions. This money transfer also guarantees anononymity since you don't have to give CC numbers or bank info to the other side. For this service, I gladly pay their fees.

Some people (not all) just want everything for free.
 
I don't see a problem with sellers making certain stipulations for their buyers. If you don't want to buy from them that's your prerogative. That being said, I don't generally include any added fees when I sell something. Nor do I charge more than my cost for shipping.
As far was PayPal goes, there are other ways to send money. No one is being forced to use it, and if the seller doesn't accept other forms of payment, then you can find another buyer. If the seller wants to add 3% to the cost of their item when they use PayPal, there is no problem with that. Are you all upset because they're being honest about it?
 
Have you read PayPal's Terms of Service? If you use PayPal, you agreed to them whether you know it or not. (See Post #30 above.)
 
Chris Pierce said:
Are you all upset because they're being honest about it?
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Whether you like PP or not, sticking to what you agreed upon is the honest thing to do IMO, but maybe thats just me. Read PP's PoS, or read post #30.


edit- wanted to add honesty is not the main reason I do it. I just want to make it simple for the buyer, and don't really like driving a MO to the bank anyway.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly that if you use a service you should abide by those rules. I was simply observing the human condition of not being able to please everybody at all times.

I had no idea until this thread that using the gift option was a no no aside from it leaving no protection for the parties involved should things get messy.

I'll no longer be asking for the gift option in my sales and I'll be doing some simple math before I post.
 
Prohibited and restricted items – overview
In this article

Understanding the rules
Prohibited and restricted items
Reporting policy violations




Before listing your item, make sure it's allowed on eBay and find out if there are specific rules and conditions on how it should be listed. See the list of prohibited and restricted items below and click the product category for information about the policy. Sellers also need to make sure that the sale of their item complies with all laws.

Make sure your listing follows these guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including restrictions of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.

Understanding the rules

Here are some basic things to keep in mind when listing your items on eBay:

Our policies are often based on country and state laws, although in some cases, they may also be based on input from our members and our own discretion, especially for dangerous or sensitive items. For example, see our offensive material policy.

Be sure to read our policies before listing items. Follow our guidelines and review our examples so you know beforehand what you can and can't sell on eBay (note that examples are not an exhaustive list).

When selling internationally, be sure to read our guidelines on international trading and import restrictions. Although certain items may be legal to sell in your country, they might be illegal elsewhere.

The list of prohibited and restricted items below covers things that can be listed under certain conditions and things that can't be listed at all. In our medical drugs and devices policy, for example, while many items aren't allowed (like contact lenses), others are allowed under certain conditions (including certain types of medical instruments).

Be sure to also read our rules for listings and our rules about intellectual property to check if your item has other guidelines that would affect your listing.
Prohibited and restricted items

Adult Only category
alcohol
animals and wildlife products – examples include live animals, mounted specimens, and ivory
art
artifacts, grave-related items, and Native American arts and crafts
catalytic converters and test pipes
cell phone (wireless) service contracts
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clothing, used
contracts
cosmetics, used
counterfeit currency and stamps
credit cards
currency, selling
describing drugs and drug-like substances
drugs and drug paraphernalia
electronics equipment – examples include cable TV de-scramblers, radar scanners, and traffic signal control devices
electronic surveillance equipment – examples include wiretapping devices and telephone bugging devices
embargoed goods and prohibited countries – examples include items from Cuba
event tickets
firearms, weapons, and knives – examples include pepper spray, replicas, and stun guns (see also military items)
food and healthcare items
gift cards
government documents, IDs, and licenses
government, transit, and shipping-related items – examples include airplane operations manuals, subway employee uniforms, and U.S. Postal Service (USPS) mailbags
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human remains and body parts
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international trading
items encouraging illegal activity – examples include an eBook describing how to create methamphetamine
lockpicking devices
lottery tickets
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military items (see also firearms, weapons, and knives)
multi-level marketing, pyramid, and matrix programs
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plants and seeds
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postage meters
prescription drugs
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For those who think they are the righteous here is a list of prohibited items from pay pal. Check item#21 and #36.
 
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RiverRat84 said:
I had no idea until this thread that using the gift option was a no no aside from it leaving no protection for the parties involved should things get messy.
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This came as something of a surprise to me as well. I mean, how many people do you know actually read the ToS on their service agreements until something comes back to bite them. ToS notwithstanding, however, I still think the only way this changes is if BF levels the playing field. Either nobody can charge more than a single, stipulated price including fees and charges for any item they sell or net-to-me continues.
 
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RiverRat84 said:
I agree wholeheartedly that if you use a service you should abide by those rules. I was simply observing the human condition of not being able to please everybody at all times.

I had no idea until this thread that using the gift option was a no no aside from it leaving no protection for the parties involved should things get messy.

I'll no longer be asking for the gift option in my sales and I'll be doing some simple math before I post.
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James, I once charged for PP myself. I never had read the PP PoS, and didn't know about it until I saw threads just like this one.
I think that's the case with most, and I don't think they are being dishonest at all. I think they're just unaware like I once was.

Same with the shipping. I'm not sure, but think I added a choice for insurance when I first started selling. From reading here I leared that the seller is 100% responsible for the delivery, and the insurance is for the sellers protection only.

This is a great room for imformation, and I wish more would take the time to visit this room. The Mods give some great Info here on all types of matters.
 
paypalsucks.com I have heard of this site and I has stories about how paypal just went into peoples bank account and took money out of them. I set up paypal on a credit card only. If I want to buy something that is fine but I am not set up to get money. that is the way I like it. paypal cant screw me over.
 
high desert,
Thats a list for Ebay. Prohibited, and restricted are two different things. Some knives are restricted, but not all are prohibited.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can sell knives on ebay with an ivory handle, or switchblades. At least thats my understanding.
 
Then why do some buyers say pay pal discreet? If people are going to quote rules please by all means quote all of them not just bits and pieces.
Ken44 said:
high desert,
Thats a list for Ebay. Prohibited, and restricted are two different things. Some knives are restricted, but not all are prohibited.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can sell knives on ebay with an ivory handle, or switchblades. At least thats my understanding.
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Ken44 said:
high desert,
Thats a list for Ebay. Prohibited, and restricted are two different things. Some knives are restricted, but not all are prohibited.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can sell knives on ebay with an ivory handle, or switchblades. At least thats my understanding.
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screw ebay. the is other sites just as big as ebay and they dont care if you are selling switchblades.
 
I totally agree because part of the fee's go for paypal insurance to protect the seller.


wsfarrell said:
As soon as I see these words in a "for sale" post I move to the next item.

It used to be "PayPal gift," which violated PayPal's TOS. Then it was "PayPal + 3.5%," which is just obnoxious. Now it's "net to me," which sellers seem to think is more acceptable. It's not.

I'm not the biggest fan of PayPal, but it does make e-commerce an awful lot easier. You're getting my x hundred dollars instantly for the knife you're selling. Don't ask ME to pay your fees.
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