new and improved busse sale forum poll!!

[aaronjayl]

...As it is now, in the "regular" Exchange forum there is usually an overwhelming number of Busse for-sale threads that push all the others off the page quickly. That's just not fair to others.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you on this one. I do not see how this is unfair at all. It takes all of 2 seconds to scroll through a couple pages of for sale threads. All the Busse for sale threads have Busse mentioned in the topic. Does it take all that much effort to keep on scrolling. Would it be considered unfair if it was Spyderco or Leatherman or Benchmade that had the most amount of threads?

 

[PoorGuy]

If there are those of you who don't like that plan, you CAN start-up your OWN Busse knives for sale/trade forum somewhere else on the 'net if you like. As it is now, in the "regular" Exchange forum there is usually an overwhelming number of Busse for-sale threads that push all the others off the page quickly. That's just not fair to others.

Which really means that there are likely more Busse members that pay for Gold memberships than any other group. So I would propose that the disadvantaged "others" find a new place to sell THEIR knives on the net. This would be fair to a larger number of paying members.

 

[chickenfried]

Hi Glockman,
Right now there are 1.5 pages of threads to view with posts from today in the prod. knives for sale forum. I just don't understand all this talk about "clutter", "overwhelming traffice", etc. What is the goal? A for sale section that takes less than ten seconds to browse through? Or saving people from having to click to the next page? How many people just browse the first page of ads and then log off?

As it is now, in the "regular" Exchange forum there is usually an overwhelming number of Busse for-sale threads that push all the others off the page quickly. That's just not fair to others.

 

[Evolute]

Originally Posted by Glockman99

"As it is now, in the "regular" Exchange forum there is usually an overwhelming number of Busse for-sale threads that push all the others off the page quickly. That's just not fair to others."

I, too, disagree with this. Each paying member has equal entitlements in regard to where and how they may sell their knives on the forums. The brand of knives they choose to sell has no relevance to fairness whatsoever. The fairness comes from each seller's equal access to the means to display their sales as prominently as possible, not from the brand for sale. Therefore, reorganizing in such manner that it denies equal access to viewer traffic for a certain number of viewers, for the benefit of others, is less fair, not more fair.

 

[Tony G]

.... I didn't start buying Busse knives just because I saw a lot of them for sale while I was looking for Swamp Rat knives, I started buying them because I did my homework and participated in the Busse forums and decided that it was something worth while. ....

So, in summary, I voted 'YES'. If you voted 'NO', you're wrong and should change your vote. There's no need to appologize as long as you now agree with me. (I blame porkerson for this last paragraph.)

PoorGuy,

What if you were to find out that of every 100 Busse buyers that 5-10 found their way here by viewing Busses for sale in the general sales forum and after seeing them said "Hey those are kind of cool..." and THEN they did some research etc. ect. like you did.

That is how I got here and why I disagree with Porkerson about the fixed/folder split because I was looking for a folder when I saw a Busse. And in fact before Busse I owned only two fixed blades...now I have over 45 (4 are not Busses).

So if you were running Busse Combat do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea to cut off the avenue that brough in 5-10% of your customers?

So see it is obvious that you are dead wrong and should go change you vote.

 

[chickenfried]

Description fits me to a T. Now get off the internet and go for a bike ride Tony G . Wanna know what I did when I wasn't interested in Busse knives? I skipped over the busse ads.

PoorGuy,

What if you were to find out that of every 100 Busse buyers that 5-10 found their way here by viewing Busses for sale in the general sales forum and after seeing them said "Hey those are kind of cool..." and THEN they did some research etc. ect. like you did.

 

[Cutshaw]

As it is now, in the "regular" Exchange forum there is usually an overwhelming number of Busse for-sale threads that push all the others off the page quickly. That's just not fair to others.

Because of the number of ads?? If you actually meant the number of bumps in a single Busse ad and just didn't articulate that reasoning, then I understand. Otherwise, "it's not fair" because why... the Cold Steel seller doesn't have a Busse to sell???

If Spark does put up a Busse "sale/trade/wanted" forum, it will more-than-likely be part of the "regular" Exchange Forum, just like the Buck Knives For Sale" forum is, and it would be moderated by the "regular" Exchange Forum mods (including myself).

Then my vote would be "no."

I think the following is a valid tool to alert the seller to check his email and it wasn't actually addressed by Spark, nor do I think, honestly in the vein of what Spark was trying to accomplish but, your the mod for the main FS, so it's your rules and we'll abide by them.

"PM/e-mail inbound..."

Does this constitute chatter in the FS threads?

Yes, it does.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453758


If, on the other hand, it works as K.V. Colluci suggests... we either self-moderate or have an INFIdel as the moderator, then I've grown to be all for a Wauseon For Sale/Trade/WTB forum.

Spark dictates a lot of what goes on this forum. If he wants to create the forum he will and you'll be expected to abide by the rules. Chit-chatting in the FS threads, bumping threads needlessly, multiple single knife sale threads day after day...it's disrespectful to the other members of the forum trying to sell their stuff. Just think, you can do that all day long in your own FS forum and no one would care! Why should they have to compete with that to get top billing? Can you wrap your mind around that?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453093&page=3


I, too, volunteered to Spark to mod a Wauseon sub-forum if one became necessary.

 

[Tony G]

Description fits me to a T. Now get off the internet and go for a bike ride Tony G . Wanna know what I did when I wasn't interested in Busse knives? I skipped over the busse ads.

YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT I need to ride... And yes I skipped over them too and then looked at one and then another and another and looked here and bought a three finger and then.... 40 more .

Anyway when I looked at weather this morning it looked like 3:00 was about the best time to ride so one more coffee and it is off to do hill repeats. Want to come? 4x10 min at threshold and then the final 2 mine all out:barf:.

Then come back and eat, line up the scotch and wait for the Wardens:thumbup:

 

[Ken44]

I felt at first I did not care either way on a seperate forum. I see a friend that has gave me great advice has voted no to it. I know he has been around a while and knows far more than I ever will about Busse.

I am not new to BF, but only been coming to Busse forum since Dec.
I feel myself and anyone else this new to Busse should not vote at all as we just don't know as much as we may think.


Heck, I'm going to vote no, not because I know enough to vote but trust a friend.

 

[chickenfried]

One of these days we should go ride, when I wouldn't totally embarass myself. But due to three years of sloth I'm starting from square one. Skills and fitness wise . But I'll be going out for a trail run at 4 .

I should've remembered the line from American Flyer
RES FIRMA NITESCERE NESCIT

YOU ARE SOOO RIGHT I need to ride... And yes I skipped over them too and then looked at one and then another and another and looked here and bought a three finger and then.... 40 more .

Anyway when I looked at weather this morning it looked like 3:00 was about the best time to ride so one more coffee and it is off to do hill repeats. Want to come? 4x10 min at threshold and then the final 2 mine all out:barf:.

Then come back and eat, line up the scotch and wait for the Wardens:thumbup:

 

[glockman99]

I, too, disagree with this. Each paying member has equal entitlements in regard to where and how they may sell their knives on the forums. The brand of knives they choose to sell has no relevance to fairness whatsoever. The fairness comes from each seller's equal access to the means to display their sales as prominently as possible, not from the brand for sale. Therefore, reorganizing in such manner that it denies equal access to viewer traffic for a certain number of viewers, for the benefit of others, is less fair, not more fair.

Well, with all the "up in arms posts" in response to MY post here at the Busse forum, at-least I now know just how General Custer must have felt as he was being fitted for his nice new "Arrow" shirt at Little Big Horn...

 

[Cutshaw]

Well, with all the "up in arms posts" in response to MY post here at the Busse forum,

And you bumped it in less than 72 hours with idle chatter.

 

[Ironballs]

I have gone looking for busse and picked up a different goodie along the way..
its great the way it is.

 

[rbmcmjr]

If there are those of you who don't like that plan, you CAN start-up your OWN Busse knives for sale/trade forum somewhere else on the 'net if you like.

Does this mean we can move OUR for sale forum to the Busse Mother Site? Jerry already runs it and it would be trivial for us to set it up to handle sales. Jerry hasn't done this out of respect for Spark, but the winds of change are a'blowing. How much is Spark going to regret the loss of all those paying memberships when we tell Jerry that BFC can shove it?

Dangerous ground ahead....

Rick

 

[rbmcmjr]

I've said this before but I will repeat myself because I think the idea is important. I came to BFC to learn about INFI. I joined and lurked and took the plunge. I cruised the Exchange looking exclusively for Busses. A separate forum would have helped that.

BUT

While looking for an INFI-fix, I learned about other makers. Specifically, Tom Krein, John Gonzalez (Dervish), Jens Anso, and Terry Primos. I now own about as many from those guys as I do from Jerry. If I hadn't needed to wade through all those other ads, I doubt I would have ended up where I am. I don't want to cheat the next newbie of that experience.

Leave it alone. Enforce the rules as written, and be ruthless about it. Let the dust settle and I think it will become obvious that this is a tempest in a teapot.

Rick

 

[Evolute]

Well, with all the "up in arms posts" in response to MY post here at the Busse forum, at-least I now know just how General Custer must have felt as he was being fitted for his nice new "Arrow" shirt at Little Big Horn. .

Dann,

I'm not attacking you. For the record, I've thought highly of you ever since I experienced how well you conducted yourself when you sold me the first knives I bought through BF, five or six years ago. We've shared to occasional jokes in W&C and The Cove, too.

It's nothing personal, simply corrective, when I explain to you the error of this point you tried to make.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

Here is an example of why the forum would need a HOG moderator. I could bump ever single Busse For Sale post that is currently on the for sale forum without raising any suspicion that I was bumping them (given I didn't bump them all at once) I know the knives, I know the questions to ask, I know what a bump would be and what a real question would be. If we are going to be pushed into a for sale forum we should have some say in it.

Example below :

Is that BM made out of A2?

Since the Busse forumites know each other they could probably more easily determine if something was just for general knowledge or a free bump (an example: if Cobalt asked someone if the BM was A2, I would know it was a free bump because he is an avid BM collector and I know he knows that they are all made of INFI)

 

[Walking Man]

Since I really don't like the new rules, I'd like to see a separate forum.
But really only because of that.
I'd like to see the 24 hour bump rule apply, and a minimal of chat as well.
(In other words, keep the old rules.)

 

[Evolute]

Walking Man,

Glockman99 has made it pretty clear that a separate Busse sales forum would be moderated by the same people who moderate the rest of the sales forums, and moderated the same way, with the same rules applying. For example, read post #19 in this thread.

 

[ak645]

Ooops sorry.I voted yes for a seperate forum.Somehow I got the impression it would have its own hawg moderator and rules.The Busse marketplace would need special rules.Otherwise I'd vote NO to a seperate forum.

Andy K