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Ren the devils trailboss

Ren the devils trailboss

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Ren, go check out www.knoxx.com You will NOT want to shoot that pistol-gripped shotgun without one of their recoil reducing stocks. (unless you like busted noses/teeth) Nice tactical oompa loompa slayer!:thumbup:
 
Mongo said:
Ren, go check out www.knoxx.com You will NOT want to shoot that pistol-gripped shotgun without one of their recoil reducing stocks. (unless you like busted noses/teeth) Nice tactical oompa loompa slayer!:thumbup:
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I already busted a bunch of caps with the little fella and she does not have much recoil. But I am using Bird shot in 3 1/4 shells..but Ill take a look..

Ren
 
maximus otter said:
I think you're overcompensating for something, Ren.

;)

maximus otter
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Yes, druggies who have a need to turn his property(among other things) into their high.

I hope it does a good job of reducing the oxygen thief population if it's ever needed.;)
 
so I can tiptoe into the room and take that too.

real men don't sleep with a gun beside the bed. they sleep with the gun under their pillow... cocked.
 
A pistol grip on a shotgun is a good way to remove all the utility from an otherwise good weapon. Birdshot is a good way to remove a good deal of lethality.

Put the stock back on and buy some buckshot.
 
victory said:
A pistol grip on a shotgun is a good way to remove all the utility from an otherwise good weapon. Birdshot is a good way to remove a good deal of lethality.

Put the stock back on and buy some buckshot.
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Well, you're "right" about the birdshot in the sense if you want the biggest payload, but the good thing about birdshot for a home defense gun is that its not a big penetrator, which may be a factor if there are others in the house. Also, at close range, it still delivers a big whallop. You can have an ammo sleeve on the shotgun and keep buck or even slugs handy, in case the bad guy barricades himself in somewhere.

I've not handled a pistol grip shotgun, so can't comment on that.
 
birdshot = way to go

2 3/4 inch #8 birdshot fired at three foot diameter fir tree.

result is 2 inch diameter one inch deep hole (think about what that will do to flesh and bone)

shotgun = Winchester 1300 20 inch barrel 7 round magazine, Pachmeyer pistol grip.
 
I have shot 12 guage pumps with about a 12" barrel and a pistol grip, they would only hold 3 rounds in the tube, both 00 and powdered lead breaching loads use both hands they arent bad
 
victory said:
A pistol grip on a shotgun is a good way to remove all the utility from an otherwise good weapon. Birdshot is a good way to remove a good deal of lethality.

Put the stock back on and buy some buckshot.
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I'm agreed on the pistol grip. No use for them. A shotgun is meant to be shouldered and fired. You can still shoot a stocked gun from the hip if that's your thing. Admittedly, however, a pistol-gripped gun does hide better in the recesses of your clown suit. ;)

But birdshot is just fine for close range. And often, that's just what you want--good stopping power at close range, but not something that's going to carry through sheetrock walls and kill a loved one on the other side. With my child in the house, my 870 HD gun is loaded with 2 rounds of bird shot first.

If those two won't get it done for some reason (doubtful), they're followed by 4 rounds of Estate tactical 00. Two more rounds of 00 and two slugs sit on the side saddle.

Ren, I've never heard of a 3 1/4" shell.
 
I used to have an assortment of shells in my belt like that. Big stuff at one end, Alphamax BB, (your red shells look like Alphamax) Eley Maximum 4 shot on the other side and Eley Grand Prix number 6 around the rest. I used to shoot critters for food and sport though, ranging from pigeons to hare. I stalked small Muntjaq deer a few times, but never got what I felt was close enough for a sure kill.

Agreed about pistol grips sorta, do they still make the Franchi-Spas assault shotgun? I had a play with one of those once.

What happens if the burglar gets to the night stand before you wake up?

How many of you have actually needed a shotgun for home defence, or even had to draw a gun in anger for those with CC Permits? Anyone ever shot anyone? :confused:

Guyon: do you think you would get chance to fire off 10 shots?

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with practice ya can shoot PG shotguns just fine, stick with low recoil tactical buckshot, i have shot mine a bunch with all kinds of shells up to and including 3" mag 00, never a busted nose/chipped tooth yet lol, of course i do prefer one w/a regular stock, but if the scenario dictated a PG it would be fine with me. it does take practice though.

as far as ever needing a shotgun for home defense, or ever drawing in anger, FWIW i have. ever shot anyone?? no, but i came really really close once, the individual dropped his pistol, a 1911 .45, i still have a copy of the police report around here somewhere, so yes it does happen sometimes, believe you me, so i think i'll just keep on keeping on just like i have been doing, thank you very much, irregardless of well intentioned advice.
 
Andrew Taylor said:
You guys are nuts BTW, how many of you have actually needed a shotgun for home defence, or even had to draw a gun in anger for those with CC Permits? Anyone ever shot anyone? :confused:

Guyon: do you think you would get chance to fire off 10 shots?
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Andrew, why is it guns are effectively banned in your homeland? My guess is that it's because of thinking along these lines: "Who in their right mind would ever NEED such a thing?" Are you seriously telling me that you would not defend yourself with one of your guns if someone broke into your home and threatened you or your family?

If you wouldn't, well then good luck with your call to the police. If you would, then why not a shotgun? As a couple of folks have already stated, a shotgun is actually safer for others if you (God forbid) had to discharge a round indoors.

10 shots? Not likely. I hope I never fire the thing in my home, actually. If I that scenario ever arises, statistics say that I would not get past the first or second round. But if I should ever NEED the extra rounds, they're there. That's reason enough to have them.

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most that whine about not being able to hit with these is either not a gunsman or just a woosy. My friend and I used to shoot them often.He had mr.Mossberg and I mr. Remington. We used to throw snowballs in the air and hit them "ala" pistol style at arms length. That tended to freak out the other patrons at the range.... They have thier place although limited. They can be legal where pistols are not. They are definately handier moving within a house than a full stock. I love the experts that don't like something juyst because thay can't shoot it well or see a reason for it. The beauty of the US is we don't have to have only one.
Across the room distances bird shot is a viable option- 30 yards away- no... The pistol grip only shotguns are not a ultimate weopon but they can be and are useful even if the only use is for fun. Oh and as far sa the "you'll hurt your hand" comment - no one I know with man sized hands has had those issues... now where did I put that 45-70 pistol of mine? Oh and the defense comment- I have ended questionable situations with my shotgun before. It was very effective actually- and that does not count four legged varmints...
 
wow I missed the "Brit part" I don't understand why they even read our gunstuff- go home! They are not even allowed to defend themselves without going to jail. "It is uncivilized to protect oneself don't you knooowww" They have rolled over for every gun grabbin thing thrown at them... and they definately don't as a society believe in individual rights. By God the government will protect you don't you know. We are just savages.... and btw they have no crime in thier country because of such things :rolleyes:
 
Andrew Taylor said:
You guys are nuts BTW, how many of you have actually needed a shotgun for home defence, or even had to draw a gun in anger for those with CC Permits? Anyone ever shot anyone? :confused:
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I've never had a fire in my house (outside of the fireplace, of course), nor do I want one, but I still keep fire extingishers and smoke alarms. I have given CPR to a man who literally fell into my lap at a restaurant; that's not something I thought I'd ever do. But, I retook the class a few months ago and learned to use an AED too.
 
Pistol grip shotguns are fine for very short range if you practice with them. I have shot several 12-14 inch guns and owned a couple of 18 inch PG guns. They will make your hand sore the next day but they are fast and ugly when practicing room clearing. I had a 18 inch 20ga PG Mossberg for a while and that was very fast and easy to shoot, even with 3 inch magnum #2 buck.

I personally like bigger shot than bird shot and fixed stock on 18 inch or longer barrelled guns. My bedside gun is loaded with Fed Low-Recoil OO buck, has a full choke, ghost ring sights and a wood stock. A shotgun across a room is a rather precise weapon, not a 'scattergun' at all with a normal barrel and shells. My Ithica will shoot about 1 - 1 1/4 inch patterns at 20 feet, so I tend to think of it as a very destructive carbine and aim it accordingly.
 
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