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I'm not a fan of pistol grips on Mossbergs because of the location of the safety. The tang the perfect place to put the safety on a shoulder-stocked gun, but is practically impossible to reach on a pistol-gripped one. JMO, but if it works for you, I'm happy for ya. Far better to have a pistol-gripped Mossberg than your bare hands. :thumbup:

And Andrew, go away or stop making witless comments. With over 45,174 members (thanks Cougar ;) ), I'm quite sure someone here has had to use a weapon to defend their life or that of another at least once. Saying Ren doesn't need a weapon because he hasn't been assaulted is like saying he doesn't need smoke detectors because his house hasn't caught fire yet. If he doesn't have the necessary preventative tools available BEFORE the incident occurs, chances are he won't survive it. Simple logic really, and the reason that my house has both smoke detectors and a 12 gauge shotgun (fire extinguishers too).
 
Roadrunner, I'm confused about your safety comment. I've had a Mossberg 590 for fifteen years. It is my bedside firearm, as well, and the safety is in easy reach of my thumb with the pistol grip on. Maybe I have freakishly long thumbs. :D As for the pistol grip I use it because I have very narrow hallways leading to the bedrooms. Makes for better manueverability. Recoil with #4 or 00 buck is stout, but not unmanageable. It does take practice though.

Jack
 
Ren the devils trailboss said:
I already busted a bunch of caps with the little fella and she does not have much recoil. But I am using Bird shot...
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Don't let the naysayers get you down, Ren. Birdshot is plenty for the ranges you'll find indoors. And it's cheap enough that you can get plenty of practice.

Pace off the farthest distance you would have to defend yourself in the house and make that the longest distance you shoot when you practice. Unless you live in a castle, 12 to 15 feet is a long way inside a house. Also notice how small the pattern is at that distance. You CAN miss with a shotgun if you don't practice.

A buddy of mine was first on scene at a shooting a while back. An old man had "repelled boarders" with a single-shot 20ga with a load of number 6 shot. The BG was DRT in the doorway. He told me, "Bob, the hole was less than 2 inchs across and you could see down into it!" :eek: (Did I remember to tell you to practice?)

Stay safe,

GD
 
Donovan, maybe it's just a personal preference thing. For me, the 'hump' at the top of the pistol grip gets in the way of my thumb when disengaging the safety. I have to move my firing hand out of a good fire-ready hold in order to switch it off, which isn't acceptable. I want to have my finger or thumb on the safety, ready to switch it off and fire with the same motion. I can't do that with a Mossberg. If you can, more power to you, the 590 is a GREAT SD shotgun. :)
 
Ditch the shotgun and get an AR-15, more shots, faster rate of fire and best of all it'll penetrate any body armor someone may be wearing;)
 
Spydiefan04 said:
.... and best of all it'll penetrate any body armor someone may be wearing;)
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It'll penetrate body armor all right :rolleyes:, not to mention walls, other houses and the innocent people living in them. Fine choice for an urban environment. :barf: I don't care if you're wearing body armor or not, if you get hit center-of-mass with a 12 gauge, you're out of the fight for a few minutes. Plenty of time for a homeowner to follow up with a second, better placed shot if it's needed. Also, let's not forget the fact that even a used AR costs at least twice as much as a brand new Mossberg 500.
 
Roadrunner said:
And Andrew, go away or stop making witless comments. With over 45,174 members (thanks Cougar ;) ), I'm quite sure someone here has had to use a weapon to defend their life or that of another at least once. Saying Ren doesn't need a weapon because he hasn't been assaulted is like saying he doesn't need smoke detectors because his house hasn't caught fire yet. If he doesn't have the necessary preventative tools available BEFORE the incident occurs, chances are he won't survive it. Simple logic really, and the reason that my house has both smoke detectors and a 12 gauge shotgun (fire extinguishers too).
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That's a bit harsh. I love guns, but I also have a very inquiring mind. I have always asked questions, how, why, what?

Guyon: I have no grudge with you. I just had the amusing mental picture of you going through the tube to get to the round you wanted.

My country removed handguns from the population, because it thought it was the best thing to do in light of registered owners running amok. It wasn't right of course and it didn't work.

I am all for being prepared, flashlights, fire extinguishers, carbon monoxide detectors, and even guns at the ready. I just don't think on a table next to the bed on full view is neccessarily the best place? When we had a nutter attacking people in their beds where I lived, I had the 12 gauge under the mattress, and a big knife under the mattress of my teenage daughter. There were other weapons concealed around the house.

Tall Paul: I am British, but I live full time in Canada. I am applying for a non-restricted and restricted possession and aquisition licence.

The law in Britain was changed about a year ago, so that you can use 'reasonable force' matching the threat.

Anyway, I'll duck out of here. Thanks for the information.
 
Andrew Taylor said:
My country removed handguns from the population, because it thought it was the best thing to do in light of registered owners running amok. It wasn't right of course and it didn't work.
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I am bit curious but what was the % of registered users running amok vs. criminals running amok?
 
To see the current number of members (as well as who's online and other cool stuff) click on the Bladeforums logo at the top left corner of any page. Now it's Threads: 233,826, Posts: 2,447,046, Members: 45,197 -- more by the time you read this post. :cool:
 
Horned Toad said:
I am bit curious but what was the % of registered users running amok vs. criminals running amok?
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It was just the work of two persons, so infinitessimal. The numbers of guns in the hands of criminals is great.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Massacre
The Hungerford massacre was a shooting that occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on August 19, 1987. A 27-year-old unemployed local labourer, Michael Robert Ryan, armed with several weapons including an AK-47 rifle and a Beretta pistol, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself. A report on this incident was commissioned by the Home Secretary, Douglas Hurd, from the Chief Constable of Thames Valley Police, Colin Smith. It remains, along with the Dunblane massacre, one of the worst lone-wolf peacetime atrocities in British history.

The massacre led to the Firearms (Amendment) Act, 1988, which banned the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricted the use of other firearms with a capacity of more than two rounds. The Hungerford Report had demonstrated that Ryan's collection of weapons was legally licensed.

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Massacre

The Dunblane massacre occurred at the primary school in the small town of Dunblane in central Scotland. On Wednesday, 13 March 1996, unemployed former shopkeeper Thomas Hamilton walked in to the school armed with two pistols, two revolvers and 743 cartridges and opened fire. He fired 105 rounds with one of his two 9 mm Browning semi-automatic pistols within about 3-4 minutes. Sixteen children of 4-6 years of age and one adult teacher died as a result. Hamilton then committed suicide. As a result of the tragedy, a public inquiry was held, led by Lord Cullen.

After gaining entry to the school, Hamilton made his way to the gym hall and opened fire on a class, killing or wounding every person present bar one pupil. Fifteen children and a teacher (Mrs Gwen Mayor) died at the scene. Hamilton then fired one shot with one of his two .357 Smith & Wesson revolvers pointing upwards into his mouth, killing himself instantly. A further fifteen children and three adults were rushed to hospital as soon as the emergency services arrived; however, one of these children was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital. For a thorough timeline of the event, see full article.

Mrs Ann Pearson, a friend of some of the bereaved families, founded a very widely supported campaign, named the Snowdrop Petition because March is snowdrop time in Scotland, gained 705,000 signatures in support, and was successful in pressing Parliament, under the new 1997 Labour government of Tony Blair, for a UK-wide ban on handguns. Although the Tory legislation banned only handguns greater than .22 calibre, the new Labour government went further with the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 and banned virtually all handguns.
 
Please don't take this wrong but I have never really understood the reasoning behind a pistol grip shotgun. Neither does experts like Clint Smith at Thunder Ranch or Bill Rogers. This is not to say you can't learn to shoot them, but why? You will never be as good as with a stocked weapon, and that's with a lot of continuous practice. It's like a folding stock on a rifle, it's fine as long as the first thing you do every time is extend the stock. It's from a proper shoulder mount and then sight picture (flash or not) that your accuracy begins with. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'm pretty sure on this one having some experience in the area. Again I don't wish to be argumentative. I really like a shotgun for home defense purposes, I would just like you to have the most effective tool you can since it's your family's safety at stake. :)
 
And as far as banning things to make us all safer, bic lighter. The record for a non terrorist act in number murdered in the United States is still the New York Disco Arson. You will never see that from that particular statistic from Hand Gun Control Inc. :jerkit:

1990
March 25, New York City: arson fire in the illegal Happy Land Social Club, in the Bronx, killed 87 people.
 
Ren,

Find a surplus stock for your Mossberg and try your shotgun in both configurations. You'll find the pistol grip inferior to the standard stock for shooting accurately. And you will need to shoot accurately because at house ranges the shot pattern will open up to less than 4 inches across and that's still small enough to miss unless you aim. The best accessory you can add to it will be a small light focused so that the central hot spot is on the shot pattern. This will give you the opportunity to identify your target before firing.

For those that are concerned with overpenetration, please check for fact instead of opinion at http://www.theboxotruth.com/. This gentleman did a much more impressive job than I did in setup and presentation, but we got the same results.
 
Andrew Taylor said:
The law in Britain was changed about a year ago, so that you can use 'reasonable force' matching the threat.
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Nope, that's what the law has always said.

One MP -with considerable support - tried to have the law altered so that a householder, for instance, would not be prosecuted unless the force he used was "grossly disproportionate."

The attempt failed.

Imagine my surprise...

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

Section 3, Criminal Law Act 1967

Self-Defence and the Prevention of Crime:

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section5/chapter_d.html

maximus otter
 
Bird shot would be usefull for stray cats that piss on the curtains. Buckshot would mean that they could run but couldn't hide. When I was a kid my friend showed me his brother's side by side on the farm. The safety didn't work and there was a quick exciting moment of LG rushing around a room, with 4 brick walls, and out the window taking with it the sterio, some paintings, and since the curtains were drawn ......

Kids don't mix with firearms. I used to have a special holder for my 9mm behind the bedside table and only put it in with kids in bed.
 
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