New Cooper Cutlery knives?

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SuperHowl said:
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Thank you for posting those pictures.
It certainly looks like a disaster with just about everything wrong with it.
Certainly not worth anywhere near the asking price. I feel bad for those that jumped on them.
 
JohnDF said:
I can show you Case knife, after Case knife, after Case knife, with way, way, way better F&F than that knife.
That has something more like Bear and Son quality with GEC pricing.
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Wasn't meant as a knock on Case, but common QA issues I've seen many times before...in my opinion, it's only a significant issue at the price point offered.

I've had a grind issue on my Case/Bose Lockback Lanny and it was a problem because of the price 😱😱😱 but they did end up making it right for me...
 
Will Power said:
... simply by buying old machinery doesn't somehow magically endow the knife made with it with quality & credibility. In fact, a lot of the equipment at Queen was very agéd and likely decrepit, certainly their final knives reflected a lot of flaws in assembly, finish and aesthetics.

You have no right to charge for nostalgia.
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Will, I agree with your statement about the machines. No doubt the old Queen machines are worn - especially if they date back to the pre-war or turn of the 19th-20th century knives. Did Mr. Cooper and company restore them before putting them back to work? I don't know. To be honest, I rather doubt it. Machine parts are expensive, some necessary parts may be out of production from before Mr. Cooper's daddy was born, rendering them "make it yourself".

At any rate, the people machinist running whichever machine every shift they are on for decades know "their" machine. They know what needs to be done to compensate for the perhaps a century or more of wear.

Without the training of a oldtimer that knows the equipment, a new guy isn't going to know all the idiocracies of that machine and tooling that may be as old or older than their Great-Great Grandfather.

I have to disagree with your statement "You have no right to charge for nostalgia.", however. 😥☹️

Nostalgia sells. However, there is no rule or law that says you have to buy it. :)

Examples? The Dodge/Plymouth PT Cruiser and whatever they called that open roadster. Also, the Chevy mini pickup and panel truck with styling based on the 1949 to first series 1955 Chevy/GMC pickup.
If not for nostalgia, why do cars from the 1970's and earlier parts car sell for more today, than they did new?
The "beach cruiser" bicycles harken back to the 1920's to 1960's, when balloon tyre bikes were all the rage. Same for "BMX" bicycles of the 1970's to 1990's. (I think the BMX craze is over, but I may be mistaken)

Art Deco, "Rustic", "farm", Victorian, etc. home decor, tabletop and portable radios, wall and desk/bedside clocks, plumbing fixtures, etc. (I think most of my generation when "growing up" had a 2 to 3 foot diameter "starbust" clock (8 to 10 inch clock face) hanging on the living room wall. If not for nostalgia's sake, why are they selling today? :) Also old photos from the 1950's to 19th century showing different areas of the hometown ... the downtown district, railway station, a school or library, etc.

I think vintage cutlery also sells because of nostalgia. Do people who spend big bucks for say a pre war to 19th century Case, Schrade, or Russell Barlow, for example, buy it to drop in their pocket and use, or for display to remind them of a simpler time they missed out on? I suspect the latter.

They make and sell wall hanger only replica guns, that cannot be shot. The muzzleloaders don't have a flash hole, cartridge guns don't have a firing pin. Many cannot be cocked ~ the hammer doesn't move.
Historical interest? Sure! But also nostalgia. Geo. W. wasn't the only guy to have a pistol like that.

Heraldry/Family Heraldry plaques, along with cossed swords or other medieval weapons hanging in a place of honor in the livingroom (or if you prefer "great room") ... Pride and nostalgia. :)
 
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they may be worth it at the lowest price point. i doubt their worth at the higher price. even for the low end, count me out on this run
 
SuperHowl said:
Ha, yes, just received a trapper in Buffalo horn. Bad grind on the clip, both blades not centered, gap in the liner, spring proud on clip when closed. Scratches on bolsters and shield. It’s like a bad Case knife on a GEC budget. Maybe I’ll give them another try in a few years, but wow, after the hype, really disappointing.
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Whoa! That's not acceptable at that price point. NO!
 
JohnDF said:
I can show you Case knife, after Case knife, after Case knife, with way, way, way better F&F than that knife.
That has something more like Bear and Son quality with GEC pricing.
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Absolutely.
This knife looks more like a Steel warrior from frost cutlery.


And that shield is not what I expected at all, it's hideous.
I wouldn't want it on my knife regardless, but this looks more like the " green hand " as Red called it that they painted on the water tower in That 70's show than it does a leaf of any kind.

If you're going to put something so dumb on a knife, at least make it actually resemble that thing.
 
rhino said:
Whoa! That's not acceptable at that price point. NO!
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IMHO, unacceptable at any price point, and that from something that isn't really all that picky, and don't expect "perfection" whatever the price point, or what the item is.
I figure "If people had anything to do with the design and construction, there is probably a defect somewhere. All people make an "oops" more than once while on the sunny side of the grass. None are perfect, so how can anything they make be "perfect"?"
 
knifeswapper said:
I have not tracked or confirmed anything about the brands. But as to the old Queen equipment - it was shot way before Queen went out of business. Matter of fact I know a guy that worked there up until 2006, and he said it was shot then. So, "Made with Queen Equipment" hopefully is not their selling point either. But would love to see some great product come out of this company as time marches on.
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This had crossed my mind. Tooling doesn't last forever. I remember Triumph motorcycles having QC problems in the seventies that was, at least partially, due to worn machinery.
 
Nebuchadnezzar said:
Yeah, with "Weed" written on the blade in several places I'm sure its just a misunderstanding.;)

It's a marketing tactic, and by all the talk I would say it is working.
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JohnDF said:
Like I mentioned before, the MJ has seven parts to the leaf and the Buckeye has five parts to the leaf... definitely not a Buckeye shield. I think the owners were trying to backtrack with that Buckeye nonsense... he knew what he was doing.

Love it!!! 😍 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Shame on me for only skimming the thread and not knowing those facts….I’ll crawl back in my cave now🍺
 
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