Recommendation? New folder for edc/self defense

[BladeScout]

It's a boon for the industry though as manufacturers will crank out products to meet the fantasy. I also collect swords and antiques and especially enjoy Asian and Phillipino styles just for the aesthetics. Prior to movies like Kill Bill, there were a small handful of actual craftsman and manufacturers that put out quality products that closely conformed to a lot of historical swords for a given class. Then suddenly there was a drastic upstart of Katanas and such. Most of the stuff they churned out was and still is just really bloated and overweight chunks of hard steel with dangerous rat tangs, finished off with a makeshift edge and painted-on hamon lines. Same thing is happening now with European arms due to the popularity of Game of Thrones. When people start getting hold of these things the most common thing to happen was self-injury or injury to someone else when they start swinging it around or a rat tang snapped. Now lots of manufactures are putting out the most inane stuff.

Yes.

Endless samurai flicks of varying quality has for decades induced a craving for Japanese inspired blades (likewise of varying quality) like there is no tomorrow.

I guess it was movies and other media (magazines and later the interwebz) promoting the so called 'American Tanto' after CS took a cue from Lum.

Man, a lot of horrible Tanto 'carp' has been churned out over past decades on order to ride the CS/Tanto bandwagon.

Generations of wanna be ninjas have gone "Wuuushaa!" and stabbed various trees, paint cans and the hoods of cars - most likely with plenty of broken blades and ( near) accidents in the wake

 

[Lapedog]

I’ve gained some weight but I wouldn’t say I’m fat yet

The rest is not meant for you

Tried to read through this and from what I can garner is that there are a lot of wave fans here

That’s great .....I’m really not

I don’t dislike them but if you have to carry a folder with self defense in mind why not carry a double action auto and if you really have defense on your mind why not a small or medium fixed blade

I edc a fixed blade every day

And when forced to carry a folder it’s a DA

Either a DISKIN FIRE or a MicroTech out the front

My point is this

In all situations out of your home you should be in a code yellow state of mind

So the speed of the waved folder should not be paramount

Meaning if your walking down an alley in the dark in an area that gives concern your knife should already be in your hand

Next have any of you tried to deploy a waved folder in a situation where you’ve been tackled or taken by suprise and already tied up with someone possible on the ground

A DA auto can be deployed with a push of the button ..... no catching the wave or even if someone has control of your wrist you can still deploy a DA

Even a DA pales to a fixed blade

All I know when I travel abroad and with on the last year I was in Central America walking dark streets at night I had a fixed blade on me

Of course in the states I still have the fixed blade but also a gun

A knife set up on the side of your pocket for reverse wave isn’t that much harder to draw than a fixed blade with a little practice.

To everyone disparaging the wave here is a picture of reverse waving which draws the knife in a much more secure grip. From this draw grip you roll it back into reverse grip edge in.

 

[JParanee]

I talked about, that it would do 'an average Joe a fat lot of good' to pack a knife with no training.

He misunderstood and accused me of talking about a fat guy and then rambled on about guys in wheelchairs - I laughed so hard, I almost got a hernia!!!!!

On a more serious note, with your training, you aint no average Joe and I suspect, youd give some punk a run for his money - if it wasnt a serious matter, Id say, that I pay good money to see some street punk schooled.

But of course the point it to AVOID getting into a scrap.

As you have loads of training, I of course convcur wholeheartedly with your point of a fixed knife being better.

Do you still carry the Tendick (I want a Kraiken badly)?

Your Scandium SW rig is pretty neat BTW.

All in fun

I do....I love the Hartsfield style Kwaikens

Btw Hartsfield was a major influence to Erney Emerson

I’ve been carrying a Hartsfield Kwaiken for over 30 years and it’s a great edc

I was always a steel 1911 fan and still am but ya can’t beat the weight of a scandium ti 357 for weight and punch

 

[JParanee]

Can't be bothered to read all that, but you'll comment anyway?
He was saying that speed shouldn't really be a factor. At least not the main factor.

Thanks

Waves are neat ....... imho not a reliable opening system

And as mentioned if your looking for speed carry a fixed blade

 

[JParanee]

A knife set up on the side of your pocket for reverse wave isn’t that much harder to draw than a fixed blade with a little practice.

To everyone disparaging the wave here is a picture of reverse waving which draws the knife in a much more secure grip. From this draw grip you roll it back into reverse grip edge in.

Thx Lape I have some knives that are waved and I’m not a big fan but I understand why they are liked

 

[danbot]

Thanks

Waves are neat ....... imho not a reliable opening system

And as mentioned if your looking for speed carry a fixed blade

Couldn't agree more! Fixed blades always open real quick!

 

[BladeScout]

All in fun

I do....I love the Hartsfield style Kwaikens

Btw Hartsfield was a major influence to Erney Emerson

I’ve been carrying a Hartsfield Kwaiken for over 30 years and it’s a great edc

I was always a steel 1911 fan and still am but ya can’t beat the weight of a scandium ti 357 for weight and punch

I knew about the Hartsfield.

He made some awesome blades. Must mean a lot - especially since you knew him.

I thought you had a Tendick as well - maybe you reviewed one at some point ...

 

[Lapedog]

Thanks

Waves are neat ....... imho not a reliable opening system

And as mentioned if your looking for speed carry a fixed blade

Fixed is the best.

I consider a knife set up for reverse waving to be BARELY adequate for SD. That said especially with the Pikal with it’s long post wave when it is clipped to the inner corner of your pocket it is almost impossible not to wave it unless you deliberately try not to. The Spydie waves on the Endura are also better than the Emerson waves. That said it is very easy when reverse waving even to use an Emerson wave.

 

[JParanee]

I knew about the Hartsfield.

He made some awesome blades. Must mean a lot - especially since you knew him.

I thought you had a Tendick as well - maybe you reviewed one at some point ...

I have a few of Bens and I do believe they are the finest Hartsfield adaptations out there and since Phill is gone and his go for large amounts on the secondary market Ben is the way to go

I have a few 1/8 inch Kwaikens from Phill that carry like a dream and as All fixed blade setups on a static line they are lightening quick to put into play if need be ......... but this goes back to if your that unaware of your surroundings that you need to be speed drawing your already in big trouble and than I would reall want a fixed blade

In a heightened scenario I can draw a fixed blade silently and hold it in ice pick grip hidden long before I need it

Opening a waved knife or even a da when done using the mechanism as in either wave or spring is not silent and will draw attention .....that’s another bonus for the fixed ......silent fast deployment

 

[DocJD]

I've practiced with my wave openers for years . It's the fastest FOR ME of any folder opening method . Part of my method includes an inertial type opening in the rare instance of incomplete opening . This action is by now , automatic , reflexive and fast . YMMV

I'm not saying a fixed blade can't be as fast . And of course can't fail to open ! But I don't daily carry any fixed blades anymore but I did for decades .

 

[JParanee]

Fixed is the best.

I consider a knife set up for reverse waving to be BARELY adequate for SD. That said especially with the Pikal with it’s long post wave when it is clipped to the inner corner of your pocket it is almost impossible not to wave it unless you deliberately try not to. The Spydie waves on the Endura are also better than the Emerson waves. That said it is very easy when reverse waving even to use an Emerson wave.

I agree

Anything thou is better than nothing and muscle memory rules the day

Add in a fool proof deployment system (fixed blade) and your chances of surviving a bad situation improve

I really think people need to study Coppers color code system of awareness and implement it in their daily life

If you’re really expecting trouble your knife should be in your hand preferable open

Thus isn’t west side story where your going to both square off and draw your weapons and dance fight

I’ll take smooth quite deployment that depends on no gadget over any opening system especially the wave

This is coming from a guy that practices drop cuts with swords..... click on the YouTube link at bottom

 

[DocJD]

Yes.

Endless samurai flicks of varying quality has for decades induced a craving for Japanese inspired blades (likewise of varying quality) like there is no tomorrow.

I guess it was movies and other media (magazines and later the interwebz) promoting the so called 'American Tanto' after CS took a cue from Lum.

Man, a lot of horrible Tanto 'carp' has been churned out over past decades on order to ride the CS/Tanto bandwagon.

Generations of wanna be ninjas have gone "Wuuushaa!" and stabbed various trees, paint cans and the hoods of cars - most likely with plenty of broken blades and ( near) accidents in the wake

If you can't defend adequately with a CS Tanto , you're not trying !

 

[Lapedog]

I agree

Anything thou is better than nothing and muscle memory rules the day

Add in a fool proof deployment system (fixed blade) and your chances of surviving a bad situation improve

I really think people need to study Coppers color code system of awareness and implement it in their daily life

If you’re really expecting trouble your knife should be in your hand preferable open

Thus isn’t west side story where your going to both square off and draw your weapons and dance fight

I’ll take smooth quite deployment that depends on no gadget over any opening system especially the wave

This is coming from a guy that practices drop cuts with swords..... click on the YouTube link at bottom

Any criminal worth their salt will look for victims where they have an advantage. This could be numbers, size or awareness. If they target you and determine you are a “hard” target they will either move on or attempt to employ a ruse in order to gain that advantage, the last thing they are looking for is a fair fight.

A common one is asking for a cigarette or a light. An even more advanced but simple one is asking for a cigarette and their boy attacks you from behind while you are assessing the guy asking you.

Awareness is very important. Generally for me if the range is far enough that I have to reach for my assailant I would prefer to flee if I can. (Sometimes circumstances mean we cannot run.)

I find Marc “Animal” Macyoung’s website nononsenseselfselfdefense.com to be a great source for self defense philosophy and advice.

 

[JParanee]

If you can't defend adequately with a CS Tanto , you're not trying !

I still have one of the very first CS Tanto’s from it had to be like 30 + years ago

I was in Arizona visiting a friend and I bought one at a high end cutlery store ...... man I loved that knife

It was a great knife than and even though I think the build quality has changed I’m sure they are still good today

Lynn I know was inspired by Hartsfield and Bob Lum

 

[Danke42]

The crims have already decided you're a target worth an attack you if they're talking to you.

They're looking for the sick and lame animals on the outer limits of the pack. Just like a predator in the wild does.

The trick to SD is understanding what they're looking for in the local context. What makes you a target in a favela in Brazil is exactly the same thing that marks you in NYC or in Bugtussle but those local circumstances will decide if you should be worried.

Some people think they need to live their life in condition red (because more is better right) and the reality is you can't do that. You can't do that because you can't sustain that degree of stress constantly and remain effective.

Some people also feel strongly a knife is a visible talisman to protect themselves. The reality is that if they've decided to attack that visible knife is either something they feel they can counter easily or they simply don't care about any damage you could do to them.

 

[DocJD]

I also have a fire extinguisher in my car and home. Never had to use them either. But I am sure when I do need it..I WILL NEED IT BAD!

Exactly ! There are low frequency but extreme high impact events that are worthwhile to prepare for . This is the whole misunderstanding regarding SD , emergency and survival type gear . Hopefully NEVER needed . But IF the need does arise , your penalty for being unprepared may be dire .

 

[JParanee]

Any criminal worth their salt will look for victims where they have an advantage. This could be numbers, size or awareness. If they target you and determine you are a “hard” target they will either move on or attempt to employ a ruse in order to gain that advantage, the last thing they are looking for is a fair fight.

A common one is asking for a cigarette or a light. An even more advanced but simple one is asking for a cigarette and their boy attacks you from behind while you are assessing the guy asking you.

Awareness is very important. Generally for me if the range is far enough that I have to reach for my assailant I would prefer to flee if I can. (Sometimes circumstances mean we cannot run.)

I find Marc “Animal” Macyoung’s website nononsenseselfselfdefense.com to be a great source for self defense philosophy and advice.

I’m a weirdo and I don’t let people approach me with out moving in a very defensive manor .... I don’t sit with my backs to doors etc ...in a simple explanation I’m always on code yellow


Short story

I was taken to Florida by a friend/client to evacuate a horse farm during the last hurricane

We were basically moving horses and horse people into Alabama right ahead of the storm

I was pretty loaded for Bear ...you don’t drive into a unknown natural disaster with your hands in your pockets holding lint

Besides hauling a lot of food , fuel and water we had plenty of guns etc

I was walking into a tractor supply and another guy was walking across the parking lot toward the entrance

He was very aware of his surroundings

His look was not alarming long hair cowboy hat etc but he was very aware of everything around him

I’m the same way so we really had an awkward time of moving around each other

We both got what we needed and never spoke a word

Later on that night all the power was out besides one small eatery

I walked in and went to the bar to order something to eat

Across the bar was my buddy from earlier in the day

He looked at me and I at him and he said you still have that fixed b,are on your belt

I said I do

We both had a laugh and needed up having a beer

He was ex military from Australia and we both talked about how we each bugged each other out

I’ll check out the link you mentioned thank you

 

[JParanee]

The crims have already decided you're a target worth an attack you if they're talking to you.

They're looking for the sick and lame animals on the outer limits of the pack. Just like a predator in the wild does.

The trick to SD is understanding what they're looking for in the local context. What makes you a target in a favela in Brazil is exactly the same thing that marks you in NYC or in Bugtussle but those local circumstances will decide if you should be worried.

Some people think they need to live their life in condition red (because more is better right) and the reality is you can't do that. You can't do that because you can't sustain that degree of stress constantly and remain effective.

Some people also feel strongly a knife is a visible talisman to protect themselves. The reality is that if they've decided to attack that visible knife is either something they feel they can counter easily or they simply don't care about any damage you could do to them.

Not red ....yellow with a hint of orange

 

[Lapedog]

I’m a weirdo and I don’t let people approach me with out moving in a very defensive manor .... I don’t sit with my backs to doors etc ...in a simple explanation I’m always on code yellow


Short story

I was taken to Florida by a friend/client to evacuate a horse farm during the last hurricane

We were basically moving horses and horse people into Alabama right ahead of the storm

I was pretty loaded for Bear ...you don’t drive into a unknown natural disaster with your hands in your pockets holding lint

Besides hauling a lot of food , fuel and water we had plenty of guns etc

I was walking into a tractor supply and another guy was walking across the parking lot toward the entrance

He was very aware of his surroundings

His look was not alarming long hair cowboy hat etc but he was very aware of everything around him

I’m the same way so we really had an awkward time of moving around each other

We both got what we needed and never spoke a word

Later on that night all the power was out besides one small eatery

I walked in and went to the bar to order something to eat

Across the bar was my buddy from earlier in the day

He looked at me and I at him and he said you still have that fixed b,are on your belt

I said I do

We both had a laugh and needed up having a beer

He was ex military from Australia and we both talked about how we each bugged each other out

I’ll check out the link you mentioned thank you

Maybe you don’t, but I always have my hands in my pocket ready to deploy my pocket sand.

In a world of crappy self defense websites that one is very good.

 

[gunfixrjoe]

Very sad and I agree.

The stories/examples of how people have movies impressed on them are legion.

From people steadfastly believing, theyll behave a certain way in a knife fight (when in reality, with most ordinary people there would be utter panic, lots of screaming ... and blood - over the Beretta 92 hype, the 'canted' gangster holding of guns to the cupping of cigarettes and squinting even when lighting a smoke inside their house (the latter one is hilarious - I believe, they are not aware of it themselves) etc etc.

For what its worth, the most excellent P226 in navy SEAL guise does in fact have an anchor engraved.

SEAL version (milled steel slide instead of stamped) is called the 'MK25.'

The P226, in any variant, hasn't had a stamped slide in years.......