For that, I am truly grateful. I'll be sure to return the favor. Hey, I'm here to help "people" like you anyway I can.
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New great "Navy" brand Knife - is it a copy of a Spyderco? See Pic.
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Although I cannot confirm it in any way, I suspect that Sanrenmu is Spyderco's Chinese manufacturer. The fasteners and stop pins on my Tenacious, and Sanrenmu 710 are identical, even down to the machining marks. At the very least their torx screws, pivots, and stop pins come from the same factory if my observations are correct. I suppose it could be a coincidence, but I doubt there are many Chinese manufacturers who could live up to Spyderco's expectations and Sanrenmu would have to be on a very short list of those who could.
I believe you are correct. I seem to recall Sal confirming this regarding some models, as well, here on BF.
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According to the seller:
weight: 4.8oz(137g)
closed length: 4" (102mm)
overall length: 7" (178mm)
blade length: 3" (75mm)
blade material: 440c
blade hardness: 56-58HRC
hand material: stainless steel
I definitely have my doubts about "440c" - I'm sure it is the Chinese equivalent.
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Haha that's what I thought, too!
Although I don't think either company is losing business to this knife. It's not like someone in the market for a $100 knife who wants top notch construction and supersteel is going to buy this instead.
Instead, maybe not. However, there have been a few Sebenza owners who've posted here on BF that they have purchased Sanrenmu/Navy, *as well*.
I have $100+ supersteel knives, and I purchase Sanrenmu/Navy, too.
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I guess I don't understand that. No matter how cheap it is, it's too expensive if I'm never going to use it because I have something else that's better in every way...
Well, in my situation, sometimes I prefer carrying/using a much less expensive knife, depending on what's on my itinerary, rather than risk damaging and/or losing a higher end blade.
I'm sure not going to use a $400+ knife just to cut cardboard. You don't need SuperSteel for that.
And, there are other reasons for not showing a high-end knife, at times, imo. It's like flashing an expensive watch in the wrong area, which is why I have watches ranging in value, as well.
I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I'm not going to take one of my nicer knives that I spent considerable time honing and stropping to hair popping sharp, then use it to cut up nasty old carpet. Nor would I lend one of my nice knives to someone who wants to pry staples out of plywood with it, or cut steel twist ties, etc. My sanrenmu 710 is perfect for those things. The lockup is rock solid, the fit and finish rival $50 knives and if something happens to it then it only cost me $12 shipped.
Don't get me wrong, if money were no object to me I would gladly use my nice knives. But for me, collecting knives is an expensive hobby. I collect the nicer knives, but I typically use the inexpensive ones. My EDC is a Tenacious, and my beater/loaner is a Sanrenmu 710. Both are incredible values IMO.
Don't get me wrong, if money were no object to me I would gladly use my nice knives. But for me, collecting knives is an expensive hobby. I collect the nicer knives, but I typically use the inexpensive ones. My EDC is a Tenacious, and my beater/loaner is a Sanrenmu 710. Both are incredible values IMO.
Excellent point.
Just the other day, my nephew came by, saw one of my nicer knives sitting on the cabinet, then asked if he could borrow it. After I gave him a look, he quickly put it back. I reminded him about what happened last time he borrowed a particular knife of mine (a not-so-cheap knife). He nodded.
I tossed him a Sanrenmu 710 and told him he could have it. He got a decent knife at a great value, which he can destroy with no significant financial loss, and I saved my nicer blades from his barbaric hands (love the kid, but he's a brute [I say with pride]).
Everyone's happy. Btw, now his buddies want 710s. Easy.
I believe you may be correct, based on what I recall from the thread I mentioned with Sal's statement/post.
I think the only catch is that the company (Sanrenmu/Navy) not do any sort of mass distribution/distributor deals. If so, then selling to individual consumers who directly place orders to China is probably acceptable (?).
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It's a Steve Ryan ripoff. No doubt.
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And, *I* don't care, just so *you* know.
I see your 'don't care' and raise you an 'I do care'. The circular hole in the Navy blade is just poor form and should not be supported.
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Agreed. It is theft and I personally won't be involved in an entity that steals other peoples designs. That is just me though. To each their own. More "borrowing" by NAVY.
Look familiar?
I really don't know what to say...
I had a couple of their knives and indeed, the materials and manufacturing quality is outstanding for the price you pay.
However I see sort of a "manufacturing myopia". I mean, if they already have their own designs (more or less unique indeed, but it's pretty difficult to find something completely unique nowadays without falling into ridiculous), it would be soo easy to reshape the round hole, giving it a brand new look.
But I guess I'm too hard on our Chinese friends. I mean, why would they respect the round hole thing, when reputed American companies don't do it? I guess this is the reason they also use the Axis-lock, to make it even...
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It's a hole drilled in a knife... does someone get paid every time a thumb stud is put on a knife, or a flipper? nail nick?
Who cares
And, *I* don't care, just so *you* know.
I still don't care.
Those of you who don't care: how about posting your names, addresses and social security numbers? How about letting some of us 'use' them, just like Navy is using Spydercos' registered trademark.
What's that you say...it would be identity theft if we used your identifying characteristics and information to pose as you for the purpose of financial gain? Really? But it's OK for a Chinese manufacturer to do the same with the identifying characteristics of an American knife maker?
Don't think so.
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I actually really like the look of it and don't doubt the quality based on many users' positive reviews of these knives in general. That being said, it would be nice to see the company design their own knives rather than "borrowing" designs from other companies.