New heavy duty knife maker

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www.fehrmanknives.com

I'm sure you'll be seeing alot of these guys in future magazine articles

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Here's the email I received from them after they offered to send us a knife to review:

The Maker: We are not some fly-by-night company or someone that makes knives in our basement. Our parent company, Fehrman Tool & Die, has been building high quality molds, tools, and dies since 1977. All of our experience, know-how, and equipment that we use to make top quality tooling
is now being applied to knives. We believe our approach is quite unique.

The Design: The knives you see are the result of countless hours of design and rework. All our work is designed on our high-end CAD workstations. The software we use costs $25,000 per seat, it allows us to design and analyze multiple shapes. Our blades offer many unique design features

The Materials: We made it a point to research and use only the best materials. We use an extremely high quality, fine grain Tool Steel for our
blades, Linen Micarta handles with a soft rubber lining, and stainless steel dowels and screws.

The Blade: The steel we use, F-3V, is 1/4 inch thick. This steel, our own 3-day heat-treat process, and the blade geometry all combine to make a blade that is extremely tough! The blade features a unique "3D-Grind" on the tip, as well as a hybrid tanto/hunter style point. The point is remarkably durable and very effective in a myriad of situations.

The Handle: The handles are Linen Micarta and after many revisions seem to be very comfortable to a wide variety of people and hand sizes. The handle is curved approximately 5 degrees to aid in chopping. Adding to the handles comfort are soft rubber gaskets between the handle slabs and the blade to reduce vibrations. The handle also features generous finger groove and choil areas, as well as very practical thumb ramps. The pommel is exposed for hammering. A lanyard hole is provided as well as an accessory hole near the forward choil.

The Sheath: The sheaths we have included are quick prototypes just to get something in your hand but our final sheaths are being hand made, and hand stitched by a local saddle maker from high quality leather. They will feature several tie down holes and have an upper and lower loop to slip your belt through (for high or low carry). The lower loop will actually be large enough to store an Altoids tin for a survival kit.

The Quality: Craftsmanship is the overriding factor. We want our knives to be characterized by quality and attention to detail. From comfortable thumb "grips", to chamfered edges, to subtle weight changes. we have tried to give special attention to every single aspect of a knifes utility and comfort.

The Guarantee: Finally, we are so confident in our blades that we offer a lifetime guarantee. Our knives are guaranteed not to fail . for life. If you unintentionally damage a Fehrman Knife we will recondition or replace it.
 
Sorry about that Eric if I had known otherwise then it wouldn't here, or on our forums. As you know I have been away from here for a while and our initial discussion occured a couple of weeks ago. I felt bad about being short with you on email due to my busy schedule then, and just got around to settling down and focusing on what you and your knives were about.

I see a lot of new "custom" makers hitting the market and once I saw the photos I knew you were on to something good.

Anyway, all that aside it looks like you guys are making a damn fine knife and I know we're going to see a LOT more about them in the future.

Onward!
 
Originally posted by chrisaloia
but how are they different than Busses?

Well, I haven't put my hands on one yet so I can't even begin to answer that.

Now what I am about to say is ASSUMPTION on my part so Eric can correct me if I'm wrong.

I was in the tool and die business for 10 years before going nuts and deciding to hang out in Latin America. We made a few knives out of D2 and A2 on our CNC machines just as a hobby (don't ask, they're long gone and not available). Instead of grinding them we milled the bevels and grinds (except for the finish edge). We milled all the perimeter and profiles, drilled the handle holes and everything else on the CNC. They turned out real nice and the quality was repeatable every time. All of our heat treating was done by a commercial heat treater when we would send down Walther PPK slides or punches and dies we were making for the steel rolling and forming mills. We even hard-chromed some blades before most knife makers even knew what hard chroming was.

So what I'm trying to say here is most anyone in the tool and die business is head strong on absolute quality and accuracy. Now, Fehrman may not even be doing what I ASSUME they are with the tool and die background and equipment so it's just a guess on my part, but I will say their QC room and equipment is probably state of the art and their QC manager is probably some hard ass that won't let anything pass inspection if it's not dead nuts. (We had an old man that was that way in our QC department). You don't stay in the tool and die business if you don't have that.

Back to your orginal question....I don't know that anything they are doing (as far as manufacturing) is different from Busse. I've never been in Busse's or Fehrman's shop, but let's just say I have a deep respect for tool and die makers simply because of my background and what it takes to make precision parts on a continual basis. In short, just from looking at the pictures and reading the information I think Fehrman is about to become a serious player in the cutlery industry.

Now, if anyone takes what I said out of context or turns my assumptions into fact, then I'm going to hunt you down and shoot you with my new .22 mag rifle :D
 
Thanks for the comments Jerry. It means a lot coming from a fellow "poor white trash" Southerner :)

More to come amigo. We're working on some neat projects right now.

Jeff
 
The only art I have ever seen associated with Simonich is that poster gal he has :D but I will credit him with a good scientific Chaos Theory. Have him explain it to you one day. Trust me, it's much better after he has a few beers and has Blues gouging him.

Eric, I'll say one thing...when you mentioned Rinaldi, Simonich and TOPS, you picked on three of the best guys in the industry. Even though they're some of the ugliest folks you will meet, their integrity is un-matched by anyone, anywhere.

Oh well, not everyone can have good looks like me :D
 
Well hell at least the rope is pretty. Notice the hot pink webbing attached to the jumars? Hot pink just seems to suit me real well :D

My dream in life is to be that guy hanging by the ropes on the inside back cover of the latest issue of Tactical Knives magazine (the Boker ad). The photo you just posted is only practice for that.
 
Originally posted by Trace Rinaldi
I wish I could afford all that stuff, and had the smarts to use it!!

Trust me Trace, in all seriousness you don't want all that stuff. Although it's great when it's working right it's a real pain in the ass when problems start happening. Another thing is the more you have the more it becomes a necessity. Also the more high-tech, the the higher the repair bills when something breaks down. Not to mention when you buy a 200K dollar machine you HAVE to put it to work, thus seriously cutting into beer drinking time. The happiest day of my life is when I walked out of my machine shop for the last time. As Martin Luther King said: "Free at last, free at last, thank God almight I'm free at last." The dumbest move I ever made was going from a one man shop making a decent living to hiring 23 employees, increasing the national debt and buying 1/2 million worth of equipment, and living on a smaller paycheck than I was when I was a one man show. Seriously.

I sleep good at night now and I don't have any damn payroll. Yes!
 
Originally posted by FEATHERSTONE
Damn Jeff is that pine tar on that rope,and look at the left hand you have it all wrong your suppose to take that thumb and lay it across your fingers and give it a couple of knocks to make sure your grip is there.Ahhhhhhh man where is your glove and your vest,and you cant wear that hat when you ride.Whoops I didnt realize you were going down a mountain:D :D

Totally changing the subject here in repsonse to your post....I gave up bullriding many many years ago amigo. When I was riding we didn't wear those protective vests. That seems to be something new since I was on the circuit. Now, they're even riding with face masks...what's up with that? Back when I was "touring" the ACA circuit it had to be full cowboy dress. Hat, boots, jeans, western shirt, and chaps were required to ride, not to mention your spurs and other gear. That's another thing...what are these newfangled lace up "shoes" the riders are wearing now? The only protective gear we had was ACE wraps and chaps. I've had my chaps ripped up many times after going down in the well.
 
Trace wouldn't know which way to turn a Cad drawing if he saw one :D

Eric, I totally understand where you're coming from. When we had our shop we HAD to have high dollar equipment such as CNC operated Coordinate Measuring Machines and Mazak CNC lathes and mills just to compete. We were in the high production, low tolerance market along with our tool and die shop so it couldn't be done profitably with an engine lathe and a set of vernier calipers. I see absolutley nothing wrong with using what you have to produce something else. Good business sense to me.

Now, let's get this back on topic even a little more. I just received the Fehrman 7 1/2" model knife about one hour ago. It's sort of nice to actually see one of these after Eric came on the forums and stirred up all this mess :o Eric how dare you start a new knife business...well thats just un-American :D

I haven't cut anything yet but let me say this is fine quality work. The blank is surfaced ground (not raw stock finish) and all the corners are perfectly chamfered. The grind lines (although it looks like the main "grind" has been machined) are a perfect match. The scales match the blank precisely and it doesn't appear like the scales have been formed-to-fit after being placed on the knife. I can still see the real smooth finish that appears to be where a 4 flute end mill went around the perimeter - Nice! The slabs and overall handle design fit my hand great. I love the large choil. The only "defect" if you can call it that is on the thumb ramp. It looks like a little end mill chatter occurred which produced very small ripples. Now, most folks would probably not even notice that but since Eric and I have a background in the machining business we look for those type things ;) As a side note, Eric sent this blade to me un-coated so once the coating in on you will not even be able to see these tiny ripples I am speaking about.

My honest opinion after looking at one of these up close is it does not even look like a Busse. I can see a LOT more TOPS "appearances" in this blade than I do Busse. (Somebody run and tell Mike Fuller that Eric is copying his designs :)

I like it. Even though I haven't used it yet, for what we do I can see it's going to be a more efficient cutter than a Busse BM and most of the TOPS blades. My personal preference in a blade is 3/16" max thickness so it's a little thick for me but we'll see how it works out when I get some time in the field.

Eric, nice quality and great looking piece. Now it's off to the vice to see if it will bend 90 degrees and return to true like a real man's knife should. (easy folks...just kidding)
 
Originally posted by OwenM

Yeah, I popped off about them being variations of existing designs (referring to Busse), on the Busse forum, but now I regret that. The first pic really did give that impression, but seeing them from the side, something Trace said, and looking at Eric's avatar, I can really see what y'all are talking about.
Now I feel like an ass:footinmou

Still liking the handles, and wondering if they're CPM-3V...

Owen, I wouldn't worry about it. The first photos that Eric sent me I said the same thing. Now, that I actually have one in my hands, they're no where close to a Busse. I see a lot more TOPS look to them than Busse, but I feel they're as individual as most other brands out there.

Ron Hood has been using some test blades from Furhman for a while (unknown to me) and if I would have known what was going on behind the scenes then I would have never made the premature announcement. This would have taken a lot of the air out of this "Busse copy" stuff because there would be better photos and test information. Hell, when I found out about it from Eric I thought they were cool and a couple of weeks later after really studying them I though the forum folks should check them out, so I opened my mouth because I didn't know otherwise.

Ron will probably have a lot of good info on these pretty soon. Personally I think a lot of folks are going to like what they're making. In the meantime blame me for putting Eric behind on his website :D
 
Originally posted by Doc Ron
A good example is his meagre collection shown under "mygear" and the flamboyant blade he has for sale. Both are indicators of the fantasy land he lives in.

Funny stuff :D

Cultists...you gotta love 'em.

Oh, BTW we're having a Koolaid sale over on our site. Got the compound setup, 5-piece band, a sh!tload of rattlesnakes, and plenty of revival tents to hold the traffic. We accept Krishnas, gays, lesbians, white power groups, black power groups, skinheads, arabs, christians, and anybody else that has a nice purty blade. We're an equal opportunity cult. If you give us your blade we'll even write a nice review to be posted on your headstone. Come one, come all. Praise the Lord and pass the koolaid. we gonna party tonight!

:D
 
This is one reason I now cover all my Kydex sheaths with leather.

You mean the leather prevents the kydex from heating enough to deform even in 150 deg. temps and exposure to direct sunlight? How thick does the leather have to be to do this?

Of course I'd love to know the other reasons too... Aside from aesthetics if you are so inclined. :)

I figured the other problems had more to do with the handles than the blade itself. I suppose a cord wrap [handle] really comes into its own under extreme high temps, unless the surface of the cord used binds skin and causes blistering as a result.
 
I guess I'm wondering why no one complains when they see the Randall influence or the Loveless influence in knives or why my Western Boy Scout knife and many others looked so much like a Marbles Woodcraft?

And then there is the "pattern" tradition in cutlery. From Chef's knives to a stockman.

People who buy, sell, and make knives with great enthusiasm--especially in the US--are such a minority that imo, I think it's better to focus on issues that will unite us as a group rather than divide us.
 
Ryu,

Please go back to the Busse forum and leave this be. Better yet, stick around and learn more abou these knives, so that you can make an informed decision about them. of course, you don't have to at all, and it sounds like you are quite happy with your gear and you don't want to consider anything else, and that is fine.

But this stuff is terrible:

I got exactly what I wanted a lot of posturing from bored old men who have had their pride damaged. I'm happy now. And I'll let it go since i got the reaction I wanted.

This is probably the best definition of trolling I have seen! If you came onto this tread just to get some sort of negative reaction, please don't participate in the thread any longer.
 
thanks for answering my question straight away. that is always pleasant.

those designs are really nice by the way.

good luck
 
I think I like em too. But, then again, if it's sharp and pointy and made of quality materials, I like em all!
 
I think your knives look great. They look a little bit similar to other knives, but there's plenty of knives that look similar. Overall they look like real winners and I like the hybrid tanto style blades very much. Ignore the whiners. I wish you the best. ;)
 
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