New Spyderco ATR is exactly what I've been waiting for!

Originally posted by allenC

Considering that the Titanium Salsa, with cobra hood, and integral compression-lock, and ATS-34 blade steel, is listed at $149.95, the ATR at $250.00 to $300.00 still seems overpriced to me.
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One additional data point: The Ti Salsa is made in Taiwan. The ATR is made in the USA.
 
It is interesting to hear folks who are used to the highly affordable Spyderco line complain with this new model, which is clearly several cuts above Spyerdco's prior offerings in the way of design, materials, technology and execution. It is indeed a worthwhile project and we look forward to more.

Many excoriated the Sabenza as too much money for the knife, settling comfortably with their inexpensive Sypdercos, who are now wanting of the new ATR, but bristling at the bite of the higher price that this model would rightfully command.

Pricing in general, with several manufacturers, is setting a trend - we are seeing more and more knives that, famous designer or not, are pushing the envelope and commanding prices that are very close to an individually-made custom knife. If you stop and think about some nice ones that came our recently, you might agree.
 
These pics taken by Filosofem are enough to make me want one.

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Mine will hopefully be here tomorrow. :D

More of his ATR pics can be seen here:

Filosofem's ATR pics
 
Man that thing is so sweet... It's def. on the wishlist. I had been wanting to get a BM771(with the Red and Black handles), but then came along:
1. The Lum Chinese I just got.
2. The New Remake of the Calypso JR. which is my next purchase.
3. Now we have this ATR...

Spyderco has just drained my knife spending money for all of this year and half of next. Thanks, :p
-Kevin
 
Peaceful Jeffrey, it would appear that you have nothing to worry about. Now that the ATR is out, all the outlet that I have seen so far are selling it for under $200. That is about the same as a Buck/Mayo. I know that I will pick one up as soon as I get back to the States.
 
How much under $200? :p

By the way, what can y'all tell me about CPMS30V? Is it a stainless steel, or a tool steel like everyone's going gaga over lately?

I myself will not trade the corrosion resistance of say 440C or ATS55 or ATS34 for some measure of additional hardness or edge retention from a tool steel. I don't abuse or neglect my knives, but I loathe the idea of getting rust spots appearing on them, and I sure don't want to have to constantly babysit a more susceptible blade.

If the ATR comes in under $150 I'll consider getting one. If it's over that, the chances are verrry slim I will do so. If it's under $100, I'll probably get one on first sight.

---Jeffrey
 
$189 for a top notch quality, Ti handled, S30V blade is an outstounding price!

Spyderco makes plenty of knives that are targeted at the blue collar budget, there is no reason to keep making reservations about the price of the ATR when at $189 that's a steal when you consider the quality and all premium materials.

Heck, I just paid that for a CQC-10 HK Emerson and is not made of even one of the these major materials found in the ATR.
 
There are currently or there will be three desirable blades which are within the <$200 range carrying S30V steel and with framelock/compression locks:

1. ATR - ~$188
2. Buck Mayo - ~$185
3. Dominator - ~$150

All prices are from Newgraham. Most of them are interesting to say the least and if I have the money will get all. Alas, poor me has not enough funds and thinking of them gives me a headache as to which to get.
 
i don't see why people are complaining about the price of the knife. A good knife with good materials demands a high price. Sure some may say sebenzas are expensive but if you really want to look at knives from a monetary standpoint some may argue that a sebenza could be the first and last knife you will ever buy. That way you save money by not having to buy more knives because the last one wasn't good enough. Also what are you using the knife for? There are many knives of different materials and different price points that can do the same job just as well. There are many affordable spydercos out there and there are many unaffordable customs out there. You buy what you can but you can't knock the next guy for being able to buy something more. Hell there are a lot of people out there that can't even afford a decent meal let alone a decent knife. Also, I think 200 dollars is going to be the new average price point for the new high end production knives.
 
Originally posted by Big Bad Wolf

Heck, I just paid that for a CQC-10 HK Emerson and is not made of even one of the these major materials found in the ATR.
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Except for the titanium liners.

I don't know what the fuss is about the price of the ATR. This is a definately high end model with top rate materials. Expect to pay.
Matt
 
True, but I did not bring up the Ti liners in the CQC-10 since there is a HUGE diffrence in price from Ti liners than actual Ti handels.

I love my CQC-10 and I am a bit of an Emerson snob, but man that Spydie is a step...... check that, a LEAP into what prodo knives can and will be in the coming years.
 
Wow, this thread really got people going! I like what's been said, and I really agree with Matt. These Ti/s30v framelocks aren't cheap to make and for all the engineering that goes into their design, I think the maker has the right to ask for such a price. They're designed to be a knife that takes a beating and lasts a lifetime. If you don't like the price, just wait for a used one, or go on ebay.

btw... I don't think the Sebenza is overpriced, it's the best folder I've ever owned (but I'm sure the buck/mayo is just as nice).
 
Originally posted by Big Bad Wolf
$189 for a top notch quality, Ti handled, S30V blade is an outstounding price!

Spyderco makes plenty of knives that are targeted at the blue collar budget, there is no reason to keep making reservations about the price of the ATR when at $189 that's a steal when you consider the quality and all premium materials.

Heck, I just paid that for a CQC-10 HK Emerson and is not made of even one of the these major materials found in the ATR.
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Fair enough, but the problem is that they don't make a frame-lock of a similar size and blade shape for nearly as low a price as, say, a Delica or Endura or even a Military.

What about an aluminum handled frame-lock with an ATS-34 or 440C blade, or something like that, that could be sold at a profit for under $75?

My lament is not that I can't get the ATR for under $150, really. It's that Spyderco is not making an attractive frame-lock (er, compression-lock) of a type that would be considered the ATR's cheaper brother. Near as I can tell, there's the Salsa, right? Is that a compression-lock? I can't stand that knife, particularly because it says "SALSA" right on the side. Goofy. Little graphic of a pepper... Silly.

While I'm wishing... I also wish that Spyderco would start making handles held together with user-disassemblable torx screws, as in Benchmade knives. I know I know about "voiding warranties." Some users don't care and would just like access to their knife's parts.

---Jeffrey
 
I got one ATR and I can said that the handling of the model is perfect and very confortable. The blade shape is one of the most nicer blade Spyderco make from "house design". Usually people and Sal said that Spyderco knives are ugly but very practical. The ATR is practical and nice. The opening & closing are very smooth. The clip is reversible.
 
there are two very good framelock for way under 150 the camillus EDC for around 50 bucks and the kershaw vapor for around 25
 
Originally posted by peacefuljeffrey
Fair enough, but the problem is that they don't make a frame-lock of a similar size and blade shape for nearly as low a price as, say, a Delica or Endura or even a Military.

What about an aluminum handled frame-lock with an ATS-34 or 440C blade, or something like that, that could be sold at a profit for under $75?

My lament is not that I can't get the ATR for under $150, really. It's that Spyderco is not making an attractive frame-lock (er, compression-lock) of a type that would be considered the ATR's cheaper brother. Near as I can tell, there's the Salsa, right? Is that a compression-lock? I can't stand that knife, particularly because it says "SALSA" right on the side. Goofy. Little graphic of a pepper... Silly.

While I'm wishing... I also wish that Spyderco would start making handles held together with user-disassemblable torx screws, as in Benchmade knives. I know I know about "voiding warranties." Some users don't care and would just like access to their knife's parts.

---Jeffrey
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Aluminum would suck for a frame lock as it is not strong enough for rugged knives. I am not aware of any knife company using Aluminum for a frame lock or a variation of the frame lock. So your right back in the same boat and cost for Ti if you want a premium lock.

Perhaps Sal might consider making a knife down the road that is close to the ATR's design but utilizes a cheaper liner lock or lock back like the less expensive Spydie models. However, this is kinda like shooting himself in the foot as he would be essentially making a cheaper knock-off of his own companies knife.

Keep in mind this is only the 2nd knife released with the new lock, give it some time for it to be more widely used in the Spydie line.

As far as the torx screws, no Thanks! I've stripped those damn things everytime I put a Benchmade back together.
 
And I thought the ATR was a good deal when I saw the "street" prices. Ti compression frame lock w/ premium blade steel and engineering for under $200.00. Nothing wrong with that. I know I'll buy one.

I for one am glad to see Spyderco push the envelope in high end knives. Even people who can't or won't afford the ATR will benefit in much the way car owners benefit from car manufactures racing programs. Design elements will trickle down through the product line.

peacefuljeffrey,
I believe the Ti Salsa does not have the Salsa picture on it. I think it's just plain titanium slabs w/ an integral compression frame lock. That should be w/ in the price range that you've indicated for a Ti frame lock.
 
Originally posted by Manji
i don't see why people are complaining about the price of the knife.
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I do. Quit entertaining the whining and it will go away. Don't any of you guy have kids? Just ignore it.....

BTW, SEBENZAs cost too much, dammit!!!!! ;)
 
Originally posted by V-1
I for one am glad to see Spyderco push the envelope in high end knives. Even people who can't or won't afford the ATR will benefit in much the way car owners benefit from car manufactures racing programs. Design elements will trickle down through the product line.
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I agree 100%. Spyderco is a learning organization. I am sure they have learned a lot from the ATR project. That will probably translate into better products.

I think it is unrealistic to expect Spyderco to make only one genre of knives. It is great they make affordable, value packed knives. But why can't they push the envelope as well? Chevrolet sells cars ranging from the Geo to the Corvette. Spyderco has a customer base that has grown from the economy based products such as the Endura. I still love those knives, but my tastes have evolved.

I don't think the ATR is a bargain at the $200 street price. The premium materials and close tolerances command a price at that level.

If one wants a full size, economy base framelock lock at the Smith & Wesson FL1. It is a Darrel Ralph design. There are several reviews of it here on the forums. Surprisingly nice for the $$$. I have one that I use as a beater.
 
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