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Just another flavor gentlebeings....
The Spyderco kris is shaped just like the Moros would have done it. I own several krisses, sword & dagger, & they all have that characteristic downward drop to them. I've been a student of Kali for about 16 years & I have a lot of respect for the Filipinos. If you look at their handles, they are almost always ergonomically correct, particularly the southern Filipinos(Moros). They were the only people in history to successfully fight the conquistadors. They held them off for over 300 years. The only way they were beaten was when the Americans showed up in the late 1800's with machine guns & mountain artillery. The wave on the Kris blade, called the Naga or snake, has a religious significance to the Moros and also makes an ungodly wound. I have found that drop shape on the blade to be very handy when attempting to strike your opponent's hand, it gets there before the rest of the blade. As far as being practical, a good Moro blade is hard to beat. Don't get me wrong now, I love dem Bowies too. Regards Kalis
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I normally dislike Kris blades, but somehow this knife works for me. It's hard to explain. I think it looks nice! Also, someone said something about it having the Persian's handle - not so, the finger groove on the Persian is much more defined among other discrepancies.
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All ya ugly-knive haters have forgotton the Shabaria.
Pictures are scarce on the web but UK Ken has managed to save one for prosperity. (Disregard the JD in the top part of the photo)
Thought this one, the Massoud, and Jot Singh's Khalsa were butt-ugly in their day too. Interestingly enough besides the recurves on the Shabaria's blade - itself a kris wannabe that couldn't quite make it - the handle gave you an extra inch or so reach with fair control if you palmed it in the middle of your hand. Felt strange at first but it was part of the Shabaria's selling points. Ed Bradichansky had some interesting designs (Remember the Spydercard!) but sadly he was killed by Palestinian terrorists when they attacked his kibutz in Israel in 1999.
The folding kris is an interesting concept to say the least.....
j
Pictures are scarce on the web but UK Ken has managed to save one for prosperity. (Disregard the JD in the top part of the photo)
Thought this one, the Massoud, and Jot Singh's Khalsa were butt-ugly in their day too. Interestingly enough besides the recurves on the Shabaria's blade - itself a kris wannabe that couldn't quite make it - the handle gave you an extra inch or so reach with fair control if you palmed it in the middle of your hand. Felt strange at first but it was part of the Shabaria's selling points. Ed Bradichansky had some interesting designs (Remember the Spydercard!) but sadly he was killed by Palestinian terrorists when they attacked his kibutz in Israel in 1999.
The folding kris is an interesting concept to say the least.....
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Spyderco got so close with that framelock, in my opinion. A less weird blade and it'd be there--but I'm in the market for a titanium framelock, and I'm just betting Spyderco could do it better than my current choices. And the ATR is just too dang big. And it aint titanium anymore.
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Thanx Kalis,
We've made very few designs that do not have a purpose or design philosophy. Some, like the Shabaria, quite deep (design dates back to 300 AD). The Lum Chinese folder, Schempp's Persian folder, never seem as "weird", when used, demonstrate thousands of years of refinement.
Ed Schempp is not into creating fantasy knives. The Moro Kris is a difficult challenge in a FB. As a folder, much more so.
There is much design history and function in the Moro Kris, mostly based on success in combat. Ed did a remarkable job, IMHO, with his rendition of a modern Kris folder. Quite a bit of study there.
Not a common concept because it's difficult to build, much less design. Very few custom makers have taken on the challenge of successfully making a Kris blade, much less production houses.
Open your mind. There is much to be appreciated in this collaboration. All of our "Ethnic" series models "appear" strange because you are not used to seeing them. That's why we bring them to you.
This is a big world with many knives besides "Bowies" 
Proper to history of the region, but with modern materials made into a high quality folder.
Surely Bob, Ed, Eduard and I can't be the only fools that see value in these projects? At least I hope not.
sal
We've made very few designs that do not have a purpose or design philosophy. Some, like the Shabaria, quite deep (design dates back to 300 AD). The Lum Chinese folder, Schempp's Persian folder, never seem as "weird", when used, demonstrate thousands of years of refinement.
Ed Schempp is not into creating fantasy knives. The Moro Kris is a difficult challenge in a FB. As a folder, much more so.
There is much design history and function in the Moro Kris, mostly based on success in combat. Ed did a remarkable job, IMHO, with his rendition of a modern Kris folder. Quite a bit of study there.
Not a common concept because it's difficult to build, much less design. Very few custom makers have taken on the challenge of successfully making a Kris blade, much less production houses.
Open your mind. There is much to be appreciated in this collaboration. All of our "Ethnic" series models "appear" strange because you are not used to seeing them. That's why we bring them to you.
This is a big world with many knives besides "Bowies" Proper to history of the region, but with modern materials made into a high quality folder.Surely Bob, Ed, Eduard and I can't be the only fools that see value in these projects? At least I hope not.
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Before you knock the Kris design, I would recommend giving it a chance. I have two of these, and can tell you from personal experience that they are excellent knives. Despite the unusual shape, the handle is extremely comfortable in the hand, and feels natural in just about any grip, which is more than can be said of other "tactical" knives.
I could go on and on about this, but I don't think it would serve any purpose.
Oh well, if you guys don't like it, that's more for me.
I could go on and on about this, but I don't think it would serve any purpose.
Oh well, if you guys don't like it, that's more for me.
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Sal Glesser said:
I'd say not.
Especially considering I own, carry and use on a regular basis a Shabaria, Persian, mini-Persian & Blue Chinese Lum. I really appreciate the ethnic designs. I have more then a few ideas for some nice historical pieces that I'd like to see Spyderco develop over the coming decades. I have always been fascinated by history and fine crafted tools/weapons even as a young boy. Heck, I even got a History minor in college. Not because I thought it would help me career wise but just out of a pure love for history. My book shelves are filled with vast numbers of non-fiction & history books that I have devoured.
That's one of the things that I really dig about Spyderco. They are willing to take a risk and bring out very interesting pieces. Not just "art" pieces but functional historical pieces that can be used hard and enjoyed. Please keep 'em coming.
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Sal Glesser said:.
Open your mind. There is much to be appreciated in this collaboration. All of our "Ethnic" series models "appear" strange because you are not used to seeing them. .....This is a big world with many knives besides "Bowies"
sal
Well said, Sal.
As a Canadian, and having lived also in the US, I agree that people of both our countries tend to place much more value on our "own stuff", compared to that of other countries. I know we do it because we're unfamiliar with other cultures, but it doesn't make sense to do that. Not when you consider that most other cultures of the world have been in existence for many, many thousands of years.....compared to just a few hundred years for us in Canada and USA. So, I think we have to give "them" a bit more credit in their accomplishments!
If I can afford it, I will definitely be getting one of those kris-blade Spydercos!
I appreciate Spyderco's efforts in bringing such designs to us. :thumbup:
Sal Glesser said:
Nope. I'm foolish enough to have them all.
I find the lines of the kris to be quite appealing and if Mr. Schempp says that something will slice I tend to believe him. Plus, cultures that have refined a design over decades or centuries of use because it has successfully put food on the table, clothes on their back, constructed their shelter and repelled their enemies usually get it right. Keep 'em coming, Sal and get Ed to work on that folding khukri.
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donovan said:Keep 'em coming, Sal and get Ed to work on that folding khukri.
Jack
Now there's a concept!
I see the folding kris as an interesting first and look forward to handling one. It would be interesting from a technical viewpoint just to see how the blades are ground. Setting the CNC program for a multi-curved grind seems a small challenge. I enough trouble just getting the lines right on my flat grind drop points......
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Thanx for the support on the concept. I don't think any other production houses have looked at the idea of producing "ethnic" models in quite the same way.
Hi Donovan,
The "Barong" is next (late '06), then the Khukri. I'll be giving Ed another "assignment" in Las Vegas. A lot of research is necessary to capture the "spirit" of the class combined with modern folders.
sal
Hi Donovan,
The "Barong" is next (late '06), then the Khukri. I'll be giving Ed another "assignment" in Las Vegas. A lot of research is necessary to capture the "spirit" of the class combined with modern folders.
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I find these "ethnic folders" to be among the most interesting knife designs, and I always have at least one on me. In fact, having learned my lesson, I will buy several of these Kris's, cause they may not be easy to obtain in future. Those who do not believe, try finding a Shabaria for sale.
I think that this shows that Sal & co. are interested in pushing knife design to areas not thought of by other companies or the average consumer. And not only with ancient, ethnic designs, but also with more modern ones. Who wasn't weirded out by the Dodo the first time you saw one? How many of us have one now? You don't have to like every new design to appreciate the concept of trying radical new ideas.
I love these new ideas, and have a great time trying them out. It is alwyas worth a trip to the Spyderco booth at a show, even considering all those custom makers I might miss in that time. I wish that I could say the same for other manufacturers.
I think that this shows that Sal & co. are interested in pushing knife design to areas not thought of by other companies or the average consumer. And not only with ancient, ethnic designs, but also with more modern ones. Who wasn't weirded out by the Dodo the first time you saw one? How many of us have one now? You don't have to like every new design to appreciate the concept of trying radical new ideas.
I love these new ideas, and have a great time trying them out. It is alwyas worth a trip to the Spyderco booth at a show, even considering all those custom makers I might miss in that time. I wish that I could say the same for other manufacturers.
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Sal Glesser said:
The barong and khukri are pretty tall orders for folder consideration. Hopefully these will be closer to full sized FBs. (Have to be for any barong sporting Moro to look proportional
) Any consideration for the parang or talibong?? I know a certain Spyderbro in the Far East - (Are you there, Samo??) - who would get great use from a CPM S30V, micarta handled, FB parang and Spyderco would get Jungle Tested and Approved added to their selling points! Looking forward to the Spyderkris.... :thumbup:
