NEW Strider Special Ops Folder vs. CRK Sebenza

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In the Nov 2003 edition ( yet it is only Sep ?? ) of Tactical Knives they have an article on the NEW Marine Specs Ops ( MCSOCOM ) Folder by STRIDER. The article claims this will be the "Official Duty Knife Of New Socom Unit". It seems to be a poor man's version of the Sebenza yet they are planning to charge civilians US$ 400 - US$ 450 for one.

Why not just do it all in Titanium and get the best for a small upgrade fee ? In other words, SEBENZA.
 
DJ, am i to infer from your rolleyes smilie that you dont agree the Sebenza is the higher quality knife? Im not necessarily arguing the point, but if you do feel the SnG/MARSOC is superior to the Sebenza, share with us exactly why and how. :eek: :)

I have my own ideas on this subject, however, i'm interested in hearing a fair comparison from an admitted Strider groupie, er, fan... :) Im serious though, i don't see why we cant legitimately compare 2 tac/utility knives in the same price range without starting a war. Theyre both good knives, each has pros and cons, so, what are they?

And just for the record, i own several Striders, and am very pleased with them, so, i'm not bashing Strider, but am curious to hear this comparision from DJ who has strong feelings for Striders, and Maybe Mick too. :)
 
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Originally posted by JackBoots
In the Nov 2003 edition ( yet it is only Sep ?? ) of Tactical Knives they have an article on the NEW Marine Specs Ops ( MCSOCOM ) Folder by STRIDER. The article claims this will be the "Official Duty Knife Of New Socom Unit". It seems to be a poor man's version of the Sebenza yet they are planning to charge civilians US$ 400 - US$ 450 for one.
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There is no "claiming." It is a new issue item for that unit.

And why do you call it the "poor man's version of the sebenza"? I do not own a sebbie nor have I seen one in person, but I'm quite confident that it doesn't exactly give Strider a run for their money.

They're two different knives really, and its not fair to compare them. The sebenza is more of a sheep-friendly gents knife, from what I gather. The Strider was built to be used HARD in the field by men who know what is required out there. It was never intended to look all pretty.

Why not just do it all in Titanium and get the best for a small upgrade fee ? In other words, SEBENZA.
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Do all of what in titanium? Surely you don't mean the blade too.

If I'm not mistaken, G10 has actually held up better than titanium in certain tests by the Strider company.

I'm quite sure that this new Strider has an S30V blade. Since Reeve had a hand in developing that steel, I believe the sebbie is probably made out of that too. However Strider still has the upper hand because Paul Bos does all the heat treating for Strider and Strider's blades are thicker than the sebenzas, and thus stronger.

Again, I don't own a sebenza and haven't handled on in person, but I've definitely read enough about it.

I'm not at all trying to bash it, but this initial post was pretty pointless and stupid, so I gave it a deserving answer: :rolleyes:

I'm just sick of all the Strider bashing around here.
 
Based on the price/quality point of Striders, I would buy a Strider/Buck knife before I would buy the overpriced Socom knife and definitely before I buy the Sebenza.

Go speak to people who actually use knives, like a farmer. They go to Wal-Mart and buy Gerbers and when that one is lost or broken, they go buy another one !

Of course the most overpriced knife is the MadDog !!

Cordially,

JB
 
I'm a Sebenza kind of guy, but pictures of that new Strider folder has me drooling all over myself. Very sweet.
 
I think all of the knives that everyone just mentioned: Strider SOCOM, CRK Sebenza, Mad Dog knives in genral, and all of Buck/Strider collaborations, and many Gerbers are just awesome. Some may be more than I'm willing to pay and some may be a bargain at any price, but we can still dream.

Nonbox,

I think that every Strider MCSOCOM is a one-of-a-kind, just the Marines they're made for.
 
Originally posted by JackBoots
Based on the price/quality point of Striders, I would buy a Strider/Buck knife before I would buy the overpriced Socom knife and definitely before I buy the Sebenza.

Go speak to people who actually use knives, like a farmer. They go to Wal-Mart and buy Gerbers and when that one is lost or broken, they go buy another one !

Of course the most overpriced knife is the MadDog !!

Cordially,

JB
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Well I could make the same argument to you about the Buck/Strider as well. Why pay over $100 for a folder when you can get a plain jane Buck lock back for $20 at Walmart? It all comes down to what each individual is willing to pay, as well as whether they can justify the increased price for the other semi-production or custom knife.

The more and more I collect Guns & Knives, the more I've learned how true the phrase "you get what you pay for" is.

You go from bashing one maker (Strider) to another (MadDog) probably without having owned a single knife from either maker.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but damn this is getting old.
 
If you're asking why not have both slabs in titanium, I think the answer would be weight. Weight is the enemy of framelock folders. The Strider is longer, wider, and thicker. G10 is obviously lighter than titanium and helps to keep the weight down. And perhaps they just wanna standout from the other framelocks out there.

I'm a big Sebenza fan, I don't think the basic version is a gent's folder at all. Unless you think stonewash finish and beadblasted titanium is gentlemanly. Sebenzas have a certain understated elegance matched only by the Ralph/Wilson folder, just the look I want for an outdoors "survival" folder.

The MCSOCOM has a very tactical look, doesn't really float my boat. But if it does for the Marines what are we complaining about? Strider guys are part of the Marine community. Various Marine units send business Strider's way and the arrangment works for them. I'm sure that SpecOp unit commander don't want to spend valuable time shopping for knives when they've got a reliable vendor who makes excellent products in the rolodex.
 
It seems to be a poor man's version of the Sebenza
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Personally I have handled a Sebenza, actually quite a few, and don't really like them much. However, I am not downplaying their quality. First of all, I don't know how you can even compare them...

What about the MCSOCOM from Strider even remotely looks like a Sebenza?

Secondly, Its already been mentioned that the materials in the Strider are by no means "poor."

Lastly, I like the looks of Striders better. Striders are not meant to be used as a fruit cutting knife taken to a picnic. Nothing needs to be gentlemanly about it. They are used to save a life, of a soldier, police officer, or citizen.

Now I'm not saying the Sebenza doesn't fill that roll well, just saying that the Sebbie might be the one I'd put in a showcase on the wall, while carrying my Strider on duty. :cool:
 
As far as the all Titanium handle, the SMF does have an all titanium handle just one side has a slab of G10 over it for an enhanced and IMHO more comfortable grip even when wet. It is a tactical knife afterall!
 
and JackBoots please feel free to call over to Mick or Duane at Strider Knives at (760) 471-8275 and let them know that you feel in your infinate knifemaking experiance their SMF is nothing more than a poor mans Sebenza.
 
Originally posted by JackBoots
....It seems to be a poor man's version of the Sebenza yet they are planning to charge civilians US$ 400 - US$ 450 for one.

Why not just do it all in Titanium and get the best for a small upgrade fee ? In other words, SEBENZA.
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Thank you for your expert knife advice. I'll go throw my SnG away and cancel my MARSOC order. After all Jackboots says they suck since he obviously knows alot more about knives then any of us to include Mick and Duane and seems to have obviously done extensive handling and testing of the MARSOC knife to decalre them a "poor mans Sebenza".

Hey somebody go call MCSOCOM Det 1....tell them thier new knives suck, tell them to stop what they are doing just throw everything down and disband cause Jackboots has declared the MARSOC knife to be junk. After all Jackboots thinks they shouldn't go to war without a Sebenza.
 
Why a Strider?
The new Det-1 knife
http://www.striderknives.com/html/marsoc-web.jpg
Thread on Det-1
http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum50/HTML/000370.html
As Strider Knives have a close working relationship with the SpecOps Community, it seems only natural for them to be top choice in this case.
See "knives"
http://www.forcerecon.org/ForceHistoryInfo3.htm ( www.parafrog.com/mission3.html )

Owning a piece related to a Special Unit is probably THE reason why there is a premium price to be paid.

I figured a C.R. Sebenza on the other hand has for the longest time had no immediate competition in the category of custom made utility folder with the toughest lock ever.


Krizzard, out

"...Whoever kills with the sword must be killed by the sword... "
- The New Testament, Revelation 13:10
 
Originally posted by Buzzbait
I'm a Sebenza kind of guy, but pictures of that new Strider folder has me drooling all over myself. Very sweet.
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Hello,

Specs as per the Tactical Knives article:

MCSOCM Det 1 Folder

Blade - 4-inch long, 1.25 inch wide, 5/32 thick, flat ground, spear/drop point, S30V HRC 59-60,

Handle - 5 1/8 inch long, 1 1/8 inch wide, 1/2 inch thick

Locking system - frame lock

Titanium pocket clip

Lanyard hole

Weight - 5.5 ounces

Strangely, the blade has both a thumb hole and thumb stud

ALL can be had for the scammy price of between US$ 400 - US$ 450 ! It will be interesting to see how fast the price drops once the HYPE disappears :)

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I find it interesting that when a knife Co. somebody likes is put under the light of day they would prefer to slather the thread in maggot faeces rather than think constructively about what can be done to fix the multiple problems under discussion !:mad:
 
First it has to be determined that there really are problems and that its not just sour grapes from someone that has a personal vendetta against that knife company.

And you really need to apply your sig line to your own posts...
 
Originally posted by JackBoots
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I find it interesting that when a knife Co. somebody likes is put under the light of day they would prefer to slather the thread in maggot faeces rather than think constructively about what can be done to fix the multiple problems under discussion !:mad:
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Hmmmm... Good Point, lets see what problems are under discussion.

Originally posted by JackBoots
In the Nov 2003 edition ( yet it is only Sep ?? ) of Tactical Knives they have an article on the NEW Marine Specs Ops ( MCSOCOM ) Folder by STRIDER. The article claims this will be the "Official Duty Knife Of New Socom Unit". It seems to be a poor man's version of the Sebenza yet they are planning to charge civilians US$ 400 - US$ 450 for one.

Why not just do it all in Titanium and get the best for a small upgrade fee ? In other words, SEBENZA.
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This would look to be just a piss poor anti-Strider rhetoric troll posting.


Originally posted by JackBoots
Based on the price/quality point of Striders, I would buy a Strider/Buck knife before I would buy the overpriced Socom knife and definitely before I buy the Sebenza.

Go speak to people who actually use knives, like a farmer. They go to Wal-Mart and buy Gerbers and when that one is lost or broken, they go buy another one !

Of course the most overpriced knife is the MadDog !!

Cordially,

JB
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So now you think that Strider, CRK, and Mad Dog knives are overpriced and we should all run to Wally World for our cutting needs because farmer Brown does.



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I do not see any multiple problems being stated here, just your opinion about prices. Just because Jackboots is unwilling to pay X amount it does not mean that Strider, CRK, and Mad Dog should reevaluate it's pricing structure.
 
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