NEW Strider Special Ops Folder vs. CRK Sebenza

The Tourist · Sep 20, 2003

"...por man's version of the Sebenza..."

Not every cutting operation needs or demands a Sebenza. If you're hacking your way through a rain forrest, you need a four-dollar machete, not a Sebenza.

Let's be honest. As nice a knife as a Sebbie is, it's more of a carefully fitted gentleman's knife. While you could, in fact, scrape mud from your boots with a Sebbie, that would seem to be abuse of a good expensive knife.

Mick and Duane have never wanted that market. They have made it clear that they are striving for that mythical 'folding razor sharp prybar' as technology allows. Anecdotal evidence from their forum has numerous stories of flat out knife abuse where the knife is functional, sometimes not even cosmetically damaged. Mick even shot one of his knives with a rifle.

These types of threads are my pet peeve. Just because a knut favors a certain brand that does not automatically mean that he hates all others. Your premise is that if the Marines and the SOCOM Secretary's office is expending funds for Striders, then he must have rejected Sebbies.

And you know something. I am a loyal Strider client, and I acknowledge that a Sebbie is a good knife. I haven't bought one. I view the clientele like I did BMW riders in the 1970's. They act like royalty because of the knife or motorcycle they purchased.

Chris Reeve built that knife, you had nothing to do with it. In contrast, I think your remarks insulted Mick Strider.

drjones · Sep 20, 2003

Originally posted by JackBoots
ALL can be had for the scammy price of between US$ 400 - US$ 450 ! It will be interesting to see how fast the price drops once the HYPE disappears

DID EVERYBODY READ THAT??? Just want to make sure.

Proof positive this guy is a moron and has NO idea what he's talking about.

Striders maintain their value better than the troll cave you live in, dude.

I find it interesting that when a knife Co. somebody likes is put under the light of day they would prefer to slather the thread in maggot faeces rather than think constructively about what can be done to fix the multiple problems under discussion !

Oh. You mean when someone posts blatant flame-bait and spouts off garbage bashing one of the finest knifemakers in the industry and he gets set straight, that bothers you?

Damn, I'm glad you don't live in my country.

Please do call Mick and tell him your opinion of his knives. The number is above.

drjones · Sep 20, 2003

One more thing:

You didn't post any "problems" or "questions" about either knife.

If you have specific questions or problems, you should have posted them as such rather than the manner in which you did.

lifter4Him · Sep 20, 2003

So is it obvious yet a troll has been entertained in this thread for 2 pages?
If you like one of them more than the other, buy that one. If you like them both, buy both.

MC Chan · Sep 20, 2003

Sheesh can't we all just get along?
There is something about Striders and Strider threads that attracts the nastiest trolls. I think it must be the innovations in their design concepts. Change is always terrifying to the masses.
Don't like Striders? Don't buy em. Apparrently others will no matter how much you complain.

Id take the Strider, unless Tom Mayo has done something nasty to the Sebenza.
No strong feelings about it, just don't feel passionate about the Sebenza.
However if I had a Mayonized one I would put it on a wee pedestal and stare at it a lot. And wonder why they didn't do that the first time.
Not to offend the legions of CRK fans, whose opinions I respect wholeheartedly.

Ed T · Sep 20, 2003

Or buy a funnel cake.

Own knives by both. Enjoy them both. Will buy the new one as well.

JackBoots · Sep 20, 2003

Yes, it does seem DJ & Co. are trolling heavily on this thread, even defaming instead of sticking to the facts ! They are welcome to start their own threads about how much they luv, whatever it is they luv !

My gripe is how the US military can give these Sweet-Heart deals without any testing of other knives. In other words, why don't they post the specs they want and let everybody take a shot at it.

Two recent ventures are the CRK - Green Beret Knife and now the Strider MCSOCOM.

How does anybody know these are actually the best knives for the challenge ahead ? What testing on other knives was done ? Why isn't the data made available to the US Taxpayer ?

One has to wonder what behind the scenes activities are going on to get these types of Sweet-Heart deals knowing the Public laps up this stuff when they buy knives ! Just ask Rambo

Cordially,

JackBoots

drjones · Sep 20, 2003

*God, I can't believe I'm wasting my time in this thread...*

Jack, with every word you type, you further illustrate your ignorance.

Originally posted by JackBoots

My gripe is how the US military can give these Sweet-Heart deals without any testing of other knives. In other words, why don't they post the specs they want and let everybody take a shot at it.

You live in canada.

What the hell do you care what our military issues and how they select it? Do you have some vested financial interest in CRK knives?

And maybe they're using Strider because Strider blades are already in use with many military units.

How does anybody know these are actually the best knives for the challenge ahead ? What testing on other knives was done ? Why isn't the data made available to the US Taxpayer ?

Again, since you don't live here, why do you care? Does it really matter to you what knife our guys are carrying when they're kicking your country's ass?

Further, I haven't seen you post any "facts" other than ranting about this new Strider being "the poor man's sebenza" and how they should have "just do it all in Titanium and get the best for a small upgrade fee ?"

etp777 · Sep 20, 2003

I'm sure they'll be careful to ask your permission next time before they choose a blade. Ya know, citizen of another country, sitting at his desk typing, taht clearly makes you the expert who can best pick a knife for the Marines to use in the field on their operations. I mean who would know more about what they need? SUrely not the grunts actually out there in the field.

.45acp · Sep 20, 2003

Originally posted by lifter4Him
So is it obvious yet a troll has been entertained in this thread for 2 pages?
If you like one of them more than the other, buy that one. If you like them both, buy both.

The best advice!

I did, I like and carry both the sebbie and AR not necessarily at the same time. I would be hard pressed to cite one as a favorite over the other. Both are great knives in their own right and a credit the Reeves and Strider folks that make em. The sebbie does not strike me as a gentlemans knife anymore than the AR strikes me as a farmers knife. They are both butt ugly, but are simple, utilitarian and built to give the owner a lifetime of service.

One thing about the higher end knives; You cant get to wrapped around the axle when a person doesnt think they worth the moneywho cares. Just dont lend them your Strider/Sebbie when they break the Farmer Special

ThereI fed the troll

thombrogan · Sep 20, 2003

Originally posted by JackBoots
My gripe is how the US military can give these Sweet-Heart deals without any testing of other knives.

You wouldn't happen to have any proof that other knives weren't tested would you? Can you post some citations and maybe some online links if they exist?

Originally posted by JackBoots
How does anybody know these are actually the best knives for the challenge ahead ? What testing on other knives was done ? Why isn't the data made available to the US Taxpayer ?

How would you decide what the best knife for the challenge ahead would be? Which challenge or challenges are you speaking about? Of all of a soldier's equipment, why would her or his knife be a point of contention for you? Their footwear will have a greater effect on their performance than most other pieces of equipment, so why not find a boot forum, Jack?

In the last portion of your post that I quoted, you queried about these knives being chosen without other knives being tested. Now you ask if other knives were tested. Which is it? First you know that other knives weren't tested, now you're not sure.

Why would the US taxpayer want to have the data on knives carried by military personel? Aside from knifeknuts, who'd care? There are likely 269,500,000 Americans who don't care and maybe 300 who do.

Originally posted by JackBoots
One has to wonder what behind the scenes activities are going on to get these types of Sweet-Heart deals knowing the Public laps up this stuff when they buy knives !

No one doesn't. Yes, mercantilism can rear its ugly head any time that citizens aren't vigilant or even affected by it, but there are so many products and components of products used by members of government agencies that it seems odd to focus on something as insignificant as a knife. Go to www.janes.com and take a look at the various companies working to make soldiers safer, more comfortable, and more effective at discharging their duties. Knives are less of a big deal than canteens are in this regard. Knives haven't largely figured in military combat for a really long time.

Yes, civilians are charged $400-450 for a Strider folder, but it's a stretch to take information and assume that:

People who disagree with you are brainwashed cretins. I'm just a cretin...
Strider is charging MCSOCOM the same prices they charge civillians. If you know that to be true, please provide proof
The entire US Military, and not two elite groups in two branches are having all of these knives bought on your dime
Knives made by other vendors or makers were summarily dismissed

But that's just me.

denden891 · Sep 20, 2003

WHew~! Thanks Thom

I noticed the same inconsistancies in his statements and was just going to point them out, till I noticed you did for me! THANKS.....

Dennis

denden891 · Sep 20, 2003

I also find it interesting that all this is coming from someone that questions the fact that a magazine with a November date is released in September!

HE OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW BUTKUS!

beluga · Sep 20, 2003

My suggestion would be : Get one of Strider folders, and you'll see whether they are worth the money or not.

I own a SNG, and she is worth every penny !

JackBoots · Sep 21, 2003

Fellows; there was no testing of other knives done in the trial only the Strider MCSOCOM got the "Sweet-Heart' deal.

No inconsistencies in my statements, the Truth is the Truth!

Again, it is to bad they don't have an open competition like they did with the Mad Dogs coming out the winner, in 1992 I believe. Now that was how u do it !!

I find it sad that the Marine corps only issues the Ontario Kabar due to the low price and not the better Next Generation Kabar. Now that is an investment worth making ! Even comes in D2 now

Signed:

JackBoots
"Citizen From Another Country"

thombrogan · Sep 21, 2003

JackBoots,

You contradicted yourself. That's why your statement was inconsistent.

Worse, you continue to do so by arguing that the Strider folders are too expensive, but the Ontario knives only saving grace is their affordability.

If what you say is true, prove it with citations.

Kazmo · Sep 21, 2003

Originally posted by drjones
Does it really matter to you what knife our guys are carrying when they're kicking your country's ass?

Man - don't say stuff like that. Canadian and American soldiers have historically had a really good working relationship, especially as evidenced in Afghanistan. Your guys and our guys do more saving than kicking when it comes to each other's asses.

And don't let Mr. Boots color your opinion of your brothers up north.

Mal

csbjr · Sep 21, 2003

Strider? CRK? Who are they??
Just kidding of course. I own both. Sebby and AR. Both great knives, but different as beer and wine. Both will get the job done.
Where there is passion such as in this thread, there must be reason.
I tend to believe most contributers to this forum are knife people, and therefore have formed opinions through experience. I simply discount opinions based on reading magazine articles.

The only thing I'll add here is that I want to get my hands on a Strider MCSOCOM ASAP! So any inside dope on the quickest route of getting one would be appreciated.

JackBoots · Sep 21, 2003

Originally posted by thombrogan

[...] but the Ontario knives only saving grace is their affordability.

If what you say is true, prove it with citations.

Citation:

http://www.forcerecon.org/ForceHistoryInfo3.htm

"The standard issue knife is the MK 2 "Ka-Bar", though it is now a contract knife made by Ontario and others. Having been in the system since 1943, it is a sturdy and inexpensive knife, 12" overall, with a 7" blade. It is exactly the same knife that is issued to every Marine not armed with a rifle."

I will take that apology now

Cordially,

JackBoots

"The Citizen From Another Country"

etp777 · Sep 21, 2003

Shh, everyone ignore the sturdy. He put that in by accident, that's not really a good point about the knife.