NEW Strider Special Ops Folder vs. CRK Sebenza

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Originally posted by drjones

Does it really matter to you what knife our guys are carrying when they're kicking your country's ass?

Actually, speaking for most Canadians, our biggest fear of invasion does come from the US. I like the US and their military and hope they do invade us soon :) Hopefully, that will get rid of the Socialist element in Canada !!

However, if the Americans think they had it rough in Vietnam, wait till they see the Canadian public aroused... We will para Shiela Copps into the White House ! Then u will regret attacking Canada :)

Cordially,

Jackboots :)

"Citizen From Another Country"
 
Jackboots you are either a 14 year old or you have the emotional maturity of a 14 year old. :rolleyes:

My country will beat up your country? How pathetic can one get? Go back to your french fries and gravy kid. :barf:

Let's see.... Where is that ignore button at?
 
u may want to touch base with your boyfriend DJ he brought the topic up, not ! :)

Originally posted by Big Bad Wolf
Jackboots you are either a 14 year old or you have the emotional maturity of a 14 year old. :rolleyes:

My country will beat up your country? How pathetic can one get? Go back to your french fries and gravy kid. :barf:

Let's see.... Where is that ignore button at?
 
Well lets see, Jackboots can quote from an article as long as he doesnt quote things that disprove his point eh?

The full text of his small quote:

There is no "official Force Recon Knife" (or watch or booties or anything else for that matter — don’t bother searching out the wanna’ be catalogs, there won’t be any in there).

The standard issue knife is the MK 2 "Ka-Bar", though it is now a contract knife made by Ontario and others. Having been in the system since 1943, it is a sturdy and inexpensive knife, 12" overall, with a 7" blade. It is exactly the same knife that is issued to every Marine not armed with a rifle.

The issue dive knife is the Ontario made Mk3 Mod 0, with the attached MK13 MOD 0, Signal, Smoke and Illumination, Marine. The stainless blade is 6", and overall length is 11".

Knives are an emotional issue for most people, but in the Company the knife is a tool, just as a Leatherman, IFAV, or MC5 Free Fall Parachute are tools. Many of the operators have spent their hard earned dollars to purchase tools that may one day be the difference between surviving or dying. It is therefore not unusual to see Gerber’s, SOG’s, Randall’s, Mission MPK and other privately purchased knives on the trouser belts of these operators.

One extremely good knife maker is located close by Camp Pendelton. Strider Knives is run by former military guys who know what is needed and more importantly, know how to do it. While their knives are made one at a time, you will find no flash, no fantasy items, just solid, strong and very useful tools.

I have one of their SA model knives. A small knife, with a blade of 2.75" and an overall length of 7.25", this knife is attached to the leg shroud of my 6004 holster. It is a strong knife, and very handy for those million and one things that you need a knife for. It is the best knife that I have ever owned.
Strider Knives has a strong connection to the military community. If you are active duty enlisted, they will knock 20% off the cost of the knife.

Perhaps a better indicator of their integrity is this. Each year the Company has recognized a Team Leader who has performed far and above what is usual — not an easy feat in a testosterone-laden world of hairy chested steel-bellied commandos. With the loss of five of our brothers, it was decided that this honor would be expanded to include an Assistant Team Leader, Radio Operator, Scout and Corpsmen of the year.
For 1999, the awards went to SSgt Vincent Sabasteanski, SSgt David Galloway, SSgt Jeffery Starling, Cpl Mark Baca, and HMI Jay Asis. They were honored not because they were killed, but rather for what they accomplished in the Company.

Strider Knives asked if they could donate a knife to each of the families, a very generous offer that was readily accepted. In July, each family received an engraved BG knife, mounted in a beautiful presentation case.

Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer wanted no public acknowledgement of this. In fact, they threatened me with severe bodily harm if I ever said anything about this in print.

The Marines in the Company believe otherwise. GySgt Terry Wyrick and others made the point that what Strider Knives wanted had nothing to do with what would eventually occur. They wanted others to know of their thoughtfulness and generosity.

So Duane, Mick, here it is. They are a lot tougher than you guys are. Thank You!
 
I think that the new Strider SMF is, to many, far more than a new Strider folder. The price of the knife is (By Strider's admission) pretty high in order to provide a marine with the Military Version of the Civilian Version of the same number. So if I have C100.. a Marine will receive M100. This being the case the price is unimportant.
Strider fans are very excited about this knife because of the military aspect, but also the fact that it's a new Strider. You obviously don't like Striders, and you think nothing of coming on a forum to tell people that they are no good. So don't buy one.
 
JackBoots,

I asked you for citations and other proof that the US DOD gave sweetheart deals to Chris Reeve Knives and Strider Knives. There was a lot going on in my last post so I apologize if it was confusing. Thank you for citing information about Ka-Bar, Ontario, and other companies.

Please, provide proof that Strider received their deal with the USMC's portion of SOCOM in a way that excluded consideration of other knife sellers and that the same happened with Chris Reeve Knives and the Army's Green Berets. Please provide this proof or take your claim.

If you are telling the truth, please prove it. He who asserts the positive must provide proof to be believed.
 
I seem to remember there being a bit less than 100 other designs considered before the Yarborough got the nod for the SF guys, but I can't find my tactical knives article right now. The Harsey design won the selection.

Was there a similar process for this folder?
 
Originally posted by Spark
I seem to remember there being a bit less than 100 other designs considered before the Yarborough got the nod for the SF guys, but I can't find my tactical knives article right now. The Harsey design won the selection.

Was there a similar process for this folder?

Hello Spark,

This was discussed in depth in the CRK forum, there was no 100 other knives considered. Just an effective marketing ploy !

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235333

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235331&highlight=Yarborough+vs+Busse

Cordially,

JB :)
 
I really don't see the point of concern.
You think the Strider is overpriced, yet you recommend the Sebenza as an alternative?

I'll let you in on a few facts of life:

1) No warrior (not even SpecOps) needs a $200.00 or even a $100.00 dollar folder to do his job.
The Commandos of WWII and every war afterwards did'nt need titanium and G-10 and the newest super knife steel to get the job done.

2) Yes, the SpecOps command is "sticking it to" the tax-payer. They have a "black budget" that even the Congress and Senate can't review.
I recall, a few years back, a Senator (I can't recall which one) attempted to audit the CIAs spendings, and he was told in so many words "That's need-to-know only, and you don't need to know".

When I was in the 1st Gulf War I was assigned to the 101st. One day I was talking to a 5th Group member who just came back from Half Moon Bay--he had a boogie-board with him. I asked him how he got it over to the gulf? He said, with a laugh, "This here's a tactical beach infiltration device".

3) When you're SpecOps you get the best toys! I don't hold it against them either. These guys go through hell to get where they are today and they deserve their toys.

Allen.
 
U.S. Special Operations Forces (Including Marine Spec. Ops) don't choose junk gear to use in combat. To even insinuate that the Strider knives they're using are less than excellent simply shows complete ignorance.

As someone else suggested, buy a Strider and see for yourself. It would likely hack it's way through lesser knives.

I own two Striders, and they are by far the most durable knives that I own.
 
Well, I recently received a Strider in a passaround. I'll post my comments on the particular knife I received later today in that thread.

I will compare it to a sebenza which I'll do later this evening.
 
After reading those links he provided it does indeed seem the original poster is trolling.
And why is a Canadian so interested in what the U.S. does or how we spend our money?
 
Striders are not my thing....seems I drift more towards slip-joints these days...comes with age I guess :)

I for one get pretty disgusted with the government throwing money around like it was a toy. As the saying gos, a billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money.

However when it comes to the military, I say give them what they need. To me it does not matter how they decided on a Strider, since they are the ones going to do what most of us could not do, then if they feel they need a Strider or just feel more comfortable with it, then let them have it. They do the job and have a better idea than any of us as to what they need. Not everything needs to be decided by committee.

Basically Im saying that it is silly to tell a soldier that they can do their job and what equipment they should have when I am not the one doing it.
 
First off Jack Boots is right on the money about our little Strider guys!
It does not matter what country he is from he is right and here are some facts for all of you to ponder.

Dear Mister Strider,

I have to hand it to you! $550.00 for a folder that you guys are claiming to be in use by SOCOM Marines is a flat out pick pocketing of Americans.

Lets go over the list of problems with this one. I know, I know... "theres no glue in this one" As you stated in a recent USN post "we don't glue the bearings any more there are no problems with the new ones" in refence to the old AR GB models you so violently defended as to having no problems with 3m glue gun adhesive holding a vital par to f a knife together. PROVES I WAS RIGHT but whos the fool now.

I can't believe the wanna be ninja warrior, arm chair piss pants the so called OP guys who buy your knives are going to pay you $550! for a freaking erector set folder!!!!!

GIVE ME A BREAK before a Marine looses a finger with your damn fine knives.

Problem 1. G10 slab on a knife of this size will not last nor stand up to abuse. It will break trust me.

Problem 2. Pocket clip will not hold up to use. See broken SNG clip threads for this one, little problem the Marine or mall ninjas will lose the $550.00

Problem 3. You made it so it will be imposible to adjust maintain and use in the field. I don't see how you sell this to the SOCOM people, I can see how you sell it to the smucks on USN who buy your knives.

Problem 4. ITS A FREAKING ERECTOR SET KNIFE. It will break, how can you live with yourselves getting a "wink wink" so called contract with the goverment and knowingly produce a faulty none tested junk knife.
Oh wait I know what this is about PROFIT!!!

Problem 5. See Cliff Stamp for a TandE on Striders and how he has several that break!
Cliff Stamp would break the SnG and break the MARSOC or is it SUC folder.
Trust me on that!


Why didn't you name it the MD folder for Michael Durant he was in Somalia also I just love the way you take an honest mans sacrafice and turn it into a name for a knife!

How cool the SnG must feel to you as you count your money and laugh.

Naming that knife after G. Shugart and R Gordon who gave all in Somalia is tragedy it is unamerican. Hell can you tell me if there is a Hamburger Hill knife? I bet with all the recent KIA's in Iraq we are unfortunatly providing the sick Strider guys with more intials for little knives!

Now lets see whos after profit here.... hmmm Goverment contract which is probably way over priced, sell to civilians aka mall ninja picture taking fags....

ok stay with me here $550.00 times say 400 knives after costs thats $220,000.00 take that to the bank!!!!! Now sell the remaining knive to the Government and pocket that entrie profit! On the other 400 knives SWEET! Keep up the great work, there are others out there who will see the light and the scam you are running.

Tell civilans that you are selling two one for the military and one for them to defray the cost of "giving them to the MARSOCOM" yeah right TELL ANOTHER LIE!!!!!!
YOU ARE GETTING TOP DOLLAR FOR each MARSOC the Marines are buying. Its close to the total of buying one on the regular market for christ sake.

Well I guess this whole mess will be very interesting to the Attorny General of California.
 
All, especially our Canadian members:

I did not mean to imply in any way that I dislike Canadians or wish that our military would kick your country's ass. (Which we would if we tried! :p )

I like Canadians, except for this little jack-booted troll.


Regards,
Drjones
 
I just love how dumb people prove how they are also stupid.

So naming a knife after someone you admire is a travesty? Not like the Strider guys are the only ones. I mean its not like any one has heard of the Brend Merrills Marauders knives or many others like them. And you are stupid enough to thing that they want people to who they name their knives after? Its not like they are out there shouting out what the letter that designate their knives mean. The events connected to the people with those letters are too special and significant to them. After all these are letter representing people that were in Mick and Duanes profession.

Now to go through your little list like always:

1. Do you have a clue just how strong G-10 is? It sure doesnt look like it to me. People have made enitre knives out of G-10, fixed blades.

2. Just were are the massive reports of breaking pocket clips?

3. Its not like its that big of a deal to break them down, just have the right tools. And just how many knifes are out there that are made to be worked on in the field anyway?

4. Well, there is nothing in this one that makes any sense, so onto the next one.

5. Cliff has broken all kinds of knives. That proves nothing.
 
I read both of those threads in question regarding the selection for the Yarborough, and neither of them has more than "I dunno, what's the list of others?" and general hand wringing, nothing that disproves that an actual testing process *wasn't* done.

Sorry JackBoots, you are going to have to try harder than that.
 
"Well I guess this whole mess will be very interesting to the Attorny General of California."

Dear Attorney General,
My name is Gary, and I think you should do something about those jerks over at the USMC. They are buying a darn knife that I just think costs way too much.

Trust me.

Gary (The Ballsack) S.

Ps. G10 is Bad!








Again…sorry about my trolls Kevin.

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Hello Mick,

Thank you for posting on the thread.

Do you know if any other knives besides Strider were tested ?

If so, can u name them and post the data of the testing.

If not, how does a knife company get a single source deal with the Marine Corps ?

Originally posted by Mick Strider
"Well I guess this whole mess will be very interesting to the Attorny General of California."
 
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