New Truck advice requested

Kohai999

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Have had almost nothing but bad experiences with Ford vehicles(4 different models) and am loathe to go for an F-150...unless there is some massively convincing argument that can be made. Which truck would you get and why:

Toyota Tundra Extended Cab, 5.7 l V-8

or

GMC Sierra 1500 Extended Cab, 6.0 l v-8

This is my midlife crisis go-fast truck, plan to put on a supercharger, headers and cat back exhaust. Will also have a shell and carpet kit in the back.

What do you guys think?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Rob (5.56) has himself a nice big Dodge Ram Crew Cab I believe, I'll send him a link so he can chime in.
 
Rob (5.56) has himself a nice big Dodge Ram Crew Cab I believe, I'll send him a link so he can chime in.

I like Dodge...been driving a 2002 Dakota 3.9 l for the last 8 years.

1. Can't get a Ram 1500 with buckets, as near as I can tell, and that is crucial.

2. Dodge closed the dealership closest to my work....was able to bicycle from the dealership to my work when dropping off for service.

Both GM and Toyota have convenient locations for me...Dodge does not, Ford doesn't really either.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
well i know a few Ford techs and they said that hands down the ford quality is back up where it belongs.. they drive toyotas too and they wouldnt hesitate to drive/buy an F150 since the quality has gone back up...


of the choices you picked, toyota hands down.... i wont buy any GM product until they get their situation straight. their quality has plummeted back to Dodge level. thats bad
 
Unless you are a die hard "buy american" guy I see no reason why you even need to think 1 minute before buying the Toyota.
 
I had a fleet of Fords at one time and we had minimal problems. My neighbor is a hot rod guy and he won't own anything but F150s.

I'd take a good look at the new Raptor, a very aggressive truck and you won't have to void your warranty to be "cool". On the Raptor forum they talk about the best deals being in San Diego!!

Win

The right way is forget a truck and get a C5/6 Vette!! There are bargains all over on these. Ain't mid life wonderful?
 
Toyota has consistently been a quality leader, and that goes a long way in my book.

The Tundra is made by Americans too.

:thumbup:
 
Ford---a company that is actually succeeding and WITHOUT taking handouts. I've had mixed results from some of their other vehicles (not recently) but the trucks have always been their bread and butter. Best selling truck for what now, 33 years? I think it's been the best selling overall vehicle several times within that run.

Has Toyota dealt with the problems that forced them to shut down their truck plant in the US a while back? I remember serious manual transmission problems (burning out in less than a year) as well as things like doors and tailgates which were both cracking and having trouble staying on. I don't think these issues involved the mid-sized trucks, just the full size. I'm sure they have every intention of correcting this, I'm just wondering if they've done it yet. I had fun watching the J.D. Power and associates guys backtracking on their initial glowing, whole hearted recommendations.

I've always found their trucks to suffer from the same issue as the GM trucks---all of the grunt power focused in horsepower at high RPMs like a car instead of torque at the low end. I dearly loved a demonstration the local Ford dealer did a few years back where the base model F150's trailer hitch was hooked up via towing bar to the base Silverado and both drivers slammed on their accelerators...Ford pulled the Chevy all around the parking lot, over and over again, even when they let the Chevy start pulling first. Now, top-end speed the Silverado would outrun it, but I'm not looking for that in a truck. All has to do with how it's geared. GM hasn't built a proper truck transmission since the late 1970s. They're smoother for around-town driving, but don't put the power where it should be in a truck. Dodge does this much better and I doubt the Ford would have been able to pull the Ram around, although I think Ford's build quality is better and heavier, especially on the new ones. Dodge blew everybody away in '93 but rode on their laurels for too long.

Of course, if you're planning to do your own modifications you can make it do whatever you want, and I WILL say this for GM--their aftermarket is huge.

The last REAL pickup truck anybody built, in my opinion, were the ones International built in the 1970s. Here, you had an industrial vehicle producer trying its hand at a personal vehicle, instead of the other way around. The '72 1200 series my Dad had traded at $6,000 in 1984 onto an F-150 and was in the process of being sold before we left the lot. That truck weighed 1000 pounds more than the one replacing it, and in those days that weight was NOT in sound deadening or plush seats, but in absolutely massive frame pieces, axles, etc. not to mention the industrial-grade motor. Granted, it got like ten miles to the gallon, but I bet it's still running unless some dumbass let it rot.

Of course, to be fair, the '85 Ford that replaced it is still running and currently has just a little shy of 500,000 miles on it. I learned to drive in that one and when Dad told me he was going to trade it in, I added $600 to the dealer offer and just bought it. I love that old truck...

Toyota's initial quality tends to be very high; especially in interior materials like the seats and grades of plastic they use in the dash areas/steering columns. The company, as a whole, needs to get way more organized when it comes to getting replacement parts, however. If it's something a dealer has in stock then fine, but my sisters have waited in the three and four week range for various warranty issues with their Camry and Corolla. Chrystler is currently at about the bottom of the heap in terms of having their shit together as a whole, (Mercedes could have turned that around if they'd had any interest in doing it) but it's rare you'll see a repair from them take more than two or three days.

The Nissans....well, I've heard people sing their praises all day long, and others whose past experience has been rotten. I've never driven one, and can't offer even a general opinion on them (other than they have a kind of Tonka-truck look that is sort of appealing).
 
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Toyota has consistently been a quality leader, and that goes a long way in my book.

The Tundra is made by Americans too.

:thumbup:

Yep, I believe they make them right up the road from me. nice trucks.
 
2009 Dodge Ram's have leather bucket seats and 390HP Hemi's.

How much modding will it take to get the Taco to put out 390HP?;)

If I had to choose from your picks, I would go GMC hands down. Their 6.0L is powerful and surprisingly fuel efficient with its cylinder on demand feature.

I have a 2007 Quadcab Ram with Hemi and full leather. I love it.

Before you buy any Toyota truck you need to watch this, they make great cars, but full size work trucks not so much:

EDIT:Nevermind the punk kid who narrated the vid

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2009 Dodge Ram's have leather bucket seats and 390HP Hemi's.

How much modding will it take to get the Taco to put out 390HP?;)

I don't want leather, want cloth.

Everything about my trucks is built for speed and practicality, as well as a bit of style. It gets pretty hot in So-Cal, and leather is cold in the winter and hot as hell in the summer....cloth is fairly neutral.

It will take one TRD blower(about $5k installed) on the 5.7 for that puppy to hit 500 hp...obviously not at the wheels


Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
It will take one TRD blower(about $5k installed) on the 5.7 for that puppy to hit 500 hp...obviously not at the wheels


Best Regards,

STeven Garsson


I hope that $5K includes forged internals, Toyotas aren't built to put out 500hp
You'll be throwing rods and blowing trannies all day long.(no puns intended):D
 
would'nt it be cheaper to find a 20 yr. old " sweet young thing " ? few weeks and you'll be an old geezer again. :D
 
would'nt it be cheaper to find a 20 yr. old " sweet young thing " ? few weeks and you'll be an old geezer again. :D

I've got a hot wife...really....lucky that way.:)

No, what I desire is speed on tap in a big truck format...the Dakota has served me very well, no real complaints other than the fact that it came to me anemic(dynos at 140 hp) and the suspension is soft, even with Bilsteins and a spring pack with helpers installed. There is not a lot of serious CARB approved mods that can be done to the V6...no chips and no superchargers/turbos.

Don't even mention SpeedTweaks.:mad:

So, Rob, you think that big hp will bust up the Tundra? It is dealer installed with a 3 year warranty....but I want reliability with my speed.

I'd take a good look at the new Raptor, a very aggressive truck and you won't have to void your warranty to be "cool". On the Raptor forum they talk about the best deals being in San Diego!!
Only available in 4 colors, Win....silver is not one of them....5.4L is the biggest regular F150, but sure, a blower can go on that....in addition to everything else, I find the aesthetics on the F150 lacking.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Sounds like you already have your mind made up. Anyways, happy buying, I am sure the Toyota will serve you well.:)

One more parting option. Dodge Ram SRT-10 500HP naturally aspirated.:D

Good Luck:thumbup:
 
Toyota has consistently been a quality leader, and that goes a long way in my book.

The Tundra is made by Americans too.

:thumbup:

Good quality but Japaneese company. They didn't hold up our middle class for decades like GM did.
GM designs quality vehicles also. If I have money to burn, i put it back in our true US car companies.
To each his own I guess. Just saying.

I still "remember Pearl Harbor". Guess i'm old school.
 
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