New TV Survival Show - Alone

Wow this one took a bad turn. I vote we deep six the gender talk, its not going to go anywhere good.

In other news, In the five eps I've seen, I haven't seen anyone set out any trot-lines, or if they have they haven't shown it. If I had hooks and could find anything for bait, even little crabs, I'd do my best to keep a line in the water at all times. I wonder if they are just not showing it, or if the guys were far enough from the water that they could not monitor them, a fish stuck out as the tide dropped would get nailed by something pretty fast. They are not showing nearly as much food as I would have thought, I can't imagine that the guys are going that light on calories, they seem to be functioning pretty well, although low energy levels can play a factor in mood. Eat a snickers, as it were.

I'm also hoping that in the next eps they start showing more of the salvage that the guys find. Although putting that to the forefront, might take away the drama, if people get the impression that the guys are camping in natures walmart parkinglot.
 
Using bear grylis as an example just lost a lot of points. Lots of women could run circles around me. You're just hanging around a different crowd :) I'm not sure what to think of Allen's idea of bait!!
 
B34NS said:
Was just an observation of mine. Women thrived in the area these contestants are in for over 13,000 years, so...try again :cool:

You're right, maybe you're not a virgin, but you certainly haven't hiked the PCT, AT, or JMT then.
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Your recourse to insult really proves how experienced and alpha female you are. Keep whiteknighting on those trails!

Truly pathetic that people have to resort to personal insults when someone uses logic. Sign of the times.
 
Chignecto Woodsman said:
Your recourse to insult really proves how experienced and alpha female you are. Keep whiteknighting on those trails!

Truly pathetic that people have to resort to personal insults when someone uses logic. Sign of the times.
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You brought up your personal life, which is none of my business. My observation was based on my interests in the First Nations people's that inhabited the area the show is located. So what if it was women's studies?! Haha. If you can't handle a retort, then don't dish it out. Not everyone will agree with you, and no point degrading their interests or hobbies because they don't interest you.

Back to the thread.

How many of you think Mitch should have moved his camp?
 
Moved because of the cougar or the mold?

I sure think Lucas shouldn't have eaten all those clams at once.
 
Anyone recognize Alan's kukri?

I've picked Alan from the start. He seems to go with the flow and maintains his perspective.

For me the kid is a wild card due to his youth. He has the right attitude and has the resilence of youth but does he have enough mental toughness gained by experience to push on through when faced with real adversity.
 
I think the word "virgin" was extracted from the "you need to meet more ladies" comment.

We need to stick to presenting facts and arguments rather than these subtle/passive aggressive digs. I am seeing that both sides are reading too far into things and reacting rather than responding.

This is a good thread... I'd hate to shut it down.

We could start a Men/Women Survival discussion in Political if you want to take the gloves off, so-to-speak.
 
B34NS said:
How many of you think Mitch should have moved his camp?
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Why? Cause of this?
Danke42 said:
Moved because of the cougar or the mold?
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StrayRound said:
Anyone recognize Alan's kukri?

I've picked Alan from the start. He seems to go with the flow and maintains his perspective.

For me the kid is a wild card due to his youth. He has the right attitude and has the resilence of youth but does he have enough mental toughness gained by experience to push on through when faced with real adversity.
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I believe it's a Condor.

I think it's anyone's game still and find it interesting they show more of some then others. Makes you think the ones that aren't getting the coverage might just be getting along just fine and the editors found it too boring for TV. I mean if Alan wasn't such a character they'd still probably just be following Lucas around with his canoe.

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As for the rest of the thread with people complaining about some contestants quick departures and such, you weren't there and until you do exactly as they do, you don't know how you'd react. Anything but going up there and doing it yourself is just speculation. Also, to pretend that people aren't social creature and that the loneliness of it all wouldn't get to you is laughable, especially when considering the potential length of time these guys could be isolated.

Keep in mind too that day one in the woods wasn't day one away from their families, they'd been up there doing camera training and such prior to their drop offs, obviously. Plus, you know that one guy having a hard emotional moment for one minute in the day on camera is what's going to make it to the final cut, the producers want drama, forget the other 23hrs and 59 minutes he was fine and just doing what it takes to get along.
 
I don't think anyone is trying to put these people down, rather they are trying to learn from what is happening.

Two things that can be learned.
1. If you are unsure how you will do without your family for a week, or human contact for a day, then you better try it out before you get into that situation.
2. If you don't want to be seen crying on camera then don't set up the camera and cry in front of it.

Those are just basic situational awareness things, pretty simple really. Maybe that's insensitive for people today, but it's reality. If you put yourself in a position to be seen by the world, well, you're going to be seen, and given how so many people act today I don't think anyone can claim ignorance over the potential internet fallout today.

That said, I agree that people should try to be respectful, and for the most part bushcraft communities are quite respectful to everyone. A lot better than many other pastimes, hobbies, etc.

The crying is a pretty important lesson for a lot of people today. Loneliness can hit hard, so if you don't get out for more than a week, then it's time to make it a priority to test yourself.
 
Just watched ep6 so spoilers maybe if you haven't:

From a mindset perspective, I think Lukas lets himself swing very widely between emotions, where Allan doesn't. Allan might be a bit permanently grumpy, but I think its to his advantage, at least in regards to staying focused. he is a bit crazy already, but he doesn't seem to let it worry him. His gill net looked like it took a real beating, is that a normal thing for them? they haven't showed that much food coming out of it, if a half dozen fish is all it takes to shred a net, is it really worth while?

I wonder about Lukas's illness, I wonder what his calorie intake was going into that clam bake, I wonder if he simply over-did it. I was also surprised that he didn't consider the current at all, and seemed to not be as ready for it, travel inland on the rise, back out on the drop, or at slack.

Not much about the other guys, whether it was just a filming thing, or if they are moving to a different narrative format, maybe more happens for Sam and Mitch later on?

In that weathered-in case, what sort of things could you do to occupy yourself? besides carving projects, and pre-cutting a bunch of trap triggers? I'm also wondering about long term food storage. Even if you smoke cured the salmon, I don't see many options to store it, without hunting up something to tan and make a waterproof bag out of, then what? bury it under a heap of rocks? I know that you don't really want lots of food around for the animals, but certainly you'd want a way to moderate your caloric intake as far as avoiding the feast and famine every few days. If you found enough stones, I was thinking you could make sort of a "clam well" in the tidal zone that you could keep a supply of live clams in, easier to retrieve but safer from predators, but that might just end up an otter buffet.

I've also noticed that the guys are not mentioning the predators as much, could it be that the wildlife has just gotten used to them being there, and are keeping a distance? Or could it also be a bit of the fact that those guys were in better places, and would still be seeing lots of activity at other sites? Makes one wonder since there is no way to know how paranoid they should be. I don't think Mitch needed to change locations, if the cougar came back during the day, it wouldn't find food there, so I don't see the trouble. Might have not been the best idea, but I don't think a cougar is going to go in for a stand-up fight, its more likey to camp the net, if it finds a fish trapped there.
 
Chignecto Woodsman said:
Yeah, because anyone who dares to criticise feminist ideology must be a virgin.

And it is just a hard fact, even if inconvenient, that women do not do as well with physically demanding activity.
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Like, say, child birth for instance (just for shits and giggles of course).
 
I've noticed Lukas' moods swings too. He seems to take backsets heavily rather than moving on and tweeking ideas.

Both Lukas and Alan mentioned loose bowls. Never fun but especially bad without TP and indoor plumbing.
I like how Alan just used it as an opportunity to hit the ocean.

I think that such a drastic change in diet, water source, cooking methods, irregular meals and maybe overdoing the quantity can just about make stomach/intestine problems a given until your system adjusts.

Maybe the 10th item should be Rolaids or Peptol Bismol. LOL

I like the idea of a clam well. Maybe a fish cage to store living fish set below low tide water line.

As for maintaining sanity an important aspect is to have an active mental life. Alan seems to have it down pat with reciting poetry, carrying on narratives and interpreting life and the world.

Most people are not comfortable living in their own heads and need constant outside entertainment/stimulation. Look at today's young people and their addiction to social media/phones. If you read much about POWs one method of retaining sanity and stimulating the mind was to create in their heads things like houses, recipes, etc.

Dieter Dengler designed a house and knew how many nails and everything else needed to construct it. When he gained freedom he constructed the exact house.

For this reason I'm really surprised no one took a Bible, or other book with them.
 
Regarding the first to drop out Josh, I wonder if the show intentionally dropped him off there. Obviously they must have scouted the areas,and either he was genuinely the most fearful of bears or thats just how it was editted after the fact. Just something I wondered about.
In his defense, I know black bears aren't grizzlies and are usually ones that avoid confrontation but no one ,no matter how much black bear experience, can reliably predict how a wild bear wis going to react to a human intruding it territory especially when it has cubs to nurture. I just think some of us are seriously writing off the seriousness of the situation because no one can reliably predict what that bear could do and that is a pretty big gamble to take when its a wild animal quite capable of tearing you apart. Its way too simple to just watch a short video clip and write off this animal as harmless. Maybe it was, but the consequences of getting a prediction of a wild bears behavior in that circumstance is possibly very serious. Don't be fooled ,there are plenty of very serious black bear maulings every year. Its not a chance I would take personally.
 
No matter how much one likes to ignore the black bear threat, even a small one in a nasty mood could cause you significant physical damage.

If I were them, since it rains so much, I would build a larger shelter as a place to just hang during the rain that provides a bit of room. Then sleep in the smaller shelter. They certainly have lots of time to try to keep themselves busy.
 
22-rimfire said:
If I were them, since it rains so much, I would build a larger shelter as a place to just hang during the rain that provides a bit of room. Then sleep in the smaller shelter. They certainly have lots of time to try to keep themselves busy.
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I was debating the same thing. I couldn't stop thinking that all the time, effort, and energy Lucas spent on building the canoe would have been better spent on constructing a solid shelter. One guy tapped out for fear that a big tree branch would fall on him so it makes sense to have something strong over your head. The canoe is pretty cool though and I give Lucas a lot of credit for his ingenuity. I'm just saying if it were me I probably would have prioritized things a little differently.
 
You're not going to be building a shelter that can survive one of those big trees falling on it. Even a limb is a serious chunk of wood.

You can select a spot that has no nearby trees or you can fell any danger trees.
 
I agree in that I don't know that you could build a sturdy enough shelter to protect from a falling tree, but you could build a shelter strong enough to keep the wind out, which would help you sleep. I feel like just like stockpilling wood, over time it would be worth building a larger shelter, even if its just a bit at a time. a cozy sleeping corner makes sense, and a larger shelter would allow an enclosed fire, meaning that you could take advantage of it to dry out. Might be mitch's trouble, his gear and shelter are damped out, where the other guys are getting more radiant heat or direct heat into their shelters.
 
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