New TV Survival Show - Alone

I can see how some might find this show a little boring but I actually find it very interesting and entertaining. One thing is certain, it sure isn't boring for the guys that are out there trying to survive!

I remember people complaining about Les Stroud's Survivorman show being a little dull but I would much rather watch that than Bear Grylls or Naked and Afraid or some other nonsense. Like Survivorman, Alone feels a lot more raw and authentic.

What about that barehand hunting youtube sensation who says you can chase down wild dogs if you have the endurance? I'm sure he would've killed at least four Mountain Lions by now, hid in their carcasses, tamed a dragon, and flown on its back to scare the other guys away.
 
The special that's on tonight might be telling us something. Why isn't Mitch and Sam on there?? I hope Alan didn't tap.
 
He said it was because a piece of cord tied to the firesteel would have been counted as an extra item, which I thought a bit ridiculous...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy5GcbM8A6M

Yeah, that bothered me some too. If you are familiar with Joe and have seen any of his previous outdoor camping/bushcraft videos you would notice that he ALWAYS has his firesteel tethered to his person. The one time he doesn't, with 500,000 dollars on the line, it bites him in the behind. Now if that's not Murphy's law then I don't know what is!
 
might have found it, lots of crap floats up on the beach. Mitch said they took away the shopping bag his net was in. They were pretty serious about keeping it above board. Interesing stuff that I had missed on the first watching.
 
The Yurt that Lucas built looks cool, took him a lot of Calories to make. But looks very comfy for one person.
 
He said it was because a piece of cord tied to the firesteel would have been counted as an extra item, which I thought a bit ridiculous...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy5GcbM8A6M

After seeing that explanation video he put out I looked at a few of his older videos. If he wasn't running a bushcraft school I'd probably be a little less critical, but he's got some habits that seem to have affected his time on the show. Lighting a fire with kindling and throwing the firesteel over to the side as the fire grows past kindling stage. Which is why I don't want to be too critical, as it seems he learned from his mistakes and now tethers it to his hip. I just don't buy the whole, "aww I'd still be there if I had that fire steel" business, although I'd reccomend he attend some primitive living classes to help round out his skills and make him less dependent on modern gear. I thought the essence of bushcraft was that "the more you know, the less you carry".

in 2013 @ 15:27
[video]https://youtu.be/Knxq1nNHMhQ?t=927[/video]

in 2014 @34:05
[video]https://youtu.be/DsiKGZRlJS8?t=2045[/video]

in 2015, look at the progress he's made @5:00
[video]https://youtu.be/NFXIz8-vawA?t=295[/video]

I wish him the best of luck!
 
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Liking Lucases attitude. Making a boat, yurt, guitar. Here's my two note song been in the woods too long. Need a drink. Lol. Looking like he'll outlast the others
 
Yes, I'm liking Lucas and his skillset. The axe is king in the north and in shelter/gear building. And having some sort of entertainment is key. If you don't have carving skills you can make something simple out of wedges or even different sized logs. Practise some drumming.

I was also thinking about a chess or go set. Wouldn't have to be fancy. Maybe even cards. A few books are the best in my opinion, but I don't think those were allowed.

Anyone know how much emergency rations they were allowed? If Sam has only been catching mice then he's basically fasting or has already gone through all rations. And the comment that Lucas needs 2200 calories a day is a bit misleading. Would be fine if he was sitting around trying to conserve as many calories as possible, but hiking, building a shelter, hunting and fishing could easily get the base calories into the 5000 range.

Would be interesting to know how the rations work and if they get replenished.
 
He's got the best shelter. Looks like he'd be OK if there was a big dump of wet snow. Not sure about the others
 
Lucas does seem to be the most active in trying to better his living conditions, but I got to wonder if that's gonna bite him in the ass. He spending calorie at a much higher rate then the other guys being so active and moving into winter, food is just gonna become scarcer and scarcer.

Hopefully his move pays off.
 
I'm somewhat surprised that with the cold and snow no one tapped out. Being cold, damp, low calorie diet and bored is a tough combination to deal with and none of them have heavy clothes and bedding.


I like Lucas' yurt but I have to wonder if Alan's "hole" isn't warmer and provides more reflected heat. Also the yurt seems to be in an exposed position that will catch the wind and suck the warmth out, unless he builds a windscreen.

On a side note, I sure wouldn't have risked climbing the tree to cut that limb.
 
Yes, I'm liking Lucas and his skillset. The axe is king in the north and in shelter/gear building. And having some sort of entertainment is key. If you don't have carving skills you can make something simple out of wedges or even different sized logs. Practise some drumming.

I was also thinking about a chess or go set. Wouldn't have to be fancy. Maybe even cards. A few books are the best in my opinion, but I don't think those were allowed.

Anyone know how much emergency rations they were allowed? If Sam has only been catching mice then he's basically fasting or has already gone through all rations. And the comment that Lucas needs 2200 calories a day is a bit misleading. Would be fine if he was sitting around trying to conserve as many calories as possible, but hiking, building a shelter, hunting and fishing could easily get the base calories into the 5000 range.

Would be interesting to know how the rations work and if they get replenished.
Yeah, I really like watching Lucas work. Anyone who can build a canoe with just an axe and a knife in those conditions earns my respect. That Yurt shelter he constructed was an excellent idea as well. I think being able to have a sizeable fire inside the shelter is going to help him out a lot.

Regarding the calorie thing, I don't think its misleading. Last year I did a month-long cleanse thing where I was only taking in between 1400-1800 calories a day while working a full time job and going to the gym every day. Admittedly, it wasn't the easiest thing to do and there were a lot of times where I felt very drained and very carb-deficient, but still manageable. I ended up losing 41 pounds in 30 days lol.
 
Calorie estimates are just that. On the one hand, calories as measured by burning might not line up with the body as much, and different people use different amounts of energy. I think Sam was probably the hardest hit, being that he was the youngest and seemed least fit. Lucas's body would be able to handle it better for a while as he is more used to cleanses I'd think with his natural therapy background, but he'd have less overall reserves. Allan probably had the best combo, older guys who are healthy-ish have enough fat to keep them going for a long time, and are physically able to adapt to low-calorie more easily. Young guys, the body is in grow mode. Most of this is mostly made up, but it sure sounds logical. Sam should have gotten on to getting more food sooner, more traps, more tries. Haven't seen the post-special ep yet.
 
After seeing that explanation video he put out I looked at a few of his older videos. If he wasn't running a bushcraft school I'd probably be a little less critical, but he's got some habits that seem to have affected his time on the show. Lighting a fire with kindling and throwing the firesteel over to the side as the fire grows past kindling stage. Which is why I don't want to be too critical, as it seems he learned from his mistakes and now tethers it to his hip. I just don't buy the whole, "aww I'd still be there if I had that fire steel" business, although I'd reccomend he attend some primitive living classes to help round out his skills and make him less dependent on modern gear. I thought the essence of bushcraft was that "the more you know, the less you carry".

I wish him the best of luck!

There's some truth to this. Not to put so much emphasis on gear, but if the items are critical or important, organization is key to avoid loss, damaging or having at hand when you need it. I don't want to say it's a lame excuse, but primitive fire there would have been quite difficult even if he was familiar with the area. He had a fire going, but that would have really impacted his routine to keep going. Listening to him, he sounded like would have survived another week or two, but would never have improved his situation much. I do understand your point though, for me, I'm not a primitive expert so I would I often have a redundant method to make fire and practicing the primitive stuff when I can. Still, knowing that a simple, bright colored fob wasn't just part of the fire steel, this is why we use to change our military boot laces with extra long 550-cord...although I might get funny looks making it bright pink or orange...making a fob would have been critical for a few key items, the fire steel being one of them.

It does suck, but is a bad excuse. We all know survival does have a certain amount of luck involved as well as skill and knowledge with a little help from specific kit...but we often neglect the simple aspects of organization, patience and method-forming routines (also known as "good habits":D).

ROCK6
 
Calorie estimates are just that. On the one hand, calories as measured by burning might not line up with the body as much, and different people use different amounts of energy. I think Sam was probably the hardest hit, being that he was the youngest and seemed least fit. Lucas's body would be able to handle it better for a while as he is more used to cleanses I'd think with his natural therapy background, but he'd have less overall reserves. Allan probably had the best combo, older guys who are healthy-ish have enough fat to keep them going for a long time, and are physically able to adapt to low-calorie more easily. Young guys, the body is in grow mode. Most of this is mostly made up, but it sure sounds logical. Sam should have gotten on to getting more food sooner, more traps, more tries. Haven't seen the post-special ep yet.

Lucas probably weighs 160 lbs or so and 2200 calories is an estimate based on city life where the body is in rest mode/light exercise. Of course it's an estimate but that does not mean there is possible variance of thousands of calories (it would be a few hundred at most). Hiking with loads, chopping wood, building structures, etc. can easily require 400-600 calories an hour, and generally increases your metabolic rate throughout the rest of the day. His fasting rate would be approximately 1600.

That's an important consideration because it may be better in a situation like this to eat all at once and then fast. Anything over 500 calories a day (Kochanski seems to argue 0) can increase your chances of starvation if you're not meeting the daily requirement. This is because of the 500-700 calorie difference between normal and fasting metabolic rates as well as the increased effort involved in acquiring food. If we say there is an average of 4 hours of work per day while at the normal rate then we have an approximate 3400-4600 calorie requirement as opposed to the 1600-2000 expended while fasting (assuming less than an hour of work). Which means that unless you're getting double the food you normally eat you are better off fasting.

That would be 600 snails or 35 crabs for a 4200 calorie day. A salmon or two would be much better in a lot of ways. And no doubt on those days where Lucas was building a cabin, boat, yurt, etc. he was going through 4000 calories or more. (He also got sick after his feast which they didn't seem to follow up on.)

jonny, your example does suggest that the 2200 figure is misleading. Losing 41 pounds in 30 days is a dangerous level of weight loss, and these guys would be burning more calories than you did on your diet. When I lost my weight I went down 60 lbs in 3 months, but I was also eating over 6000 calories most days with 2-5 hours of heavy/extreme exercise.

As an estimate we could suggest these calories:
-2200 +0 (start)
-1600 +500 (fast with minor nutrients)
-1600 +3000 (fast with big meal)
-2200 +1600 (off fast with average meals)
-4200 +1000 (heavy work with little meal)
-3600 +4000 (heavy work with large meal)
-3000 +0 (sick)

That would mean 8,300 calories lost for the week and 2-3 pounds. Just an estimate, but consistent with what we see in a lot of these shows with massive weight loss.

The short version. Just one day of hard work per week can increase the base rate of daily calories by an average of 300, or more than 10%. That is very significant.
 
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as an aside I really don't agree with the all or nothing idea on starvation. The body is pretty good at adapting, and all the research into low calorie diets have shown that the body just gets more efficient over time. on zero calories most of those guys should be good for 40 or so days, even considering the cold.

That said, the truth of the matter is that since there are very few controlled studies, and those were of statistically insignificant N, all of this is just guesswork.
 
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