"The core information that collectors and makers need to know" will likely be evolving over the next year, so locking a thread that can't be queried is not a very good idea, IMHO. Why not just SWAT anyone who gets political!
"The core information that collectors and makers need to know" will likely be evolving over the next year, so locking a thread that can't be queried is not a very good idea, IMHO. Why not just SWAT anyone who gets political!
When does this go into effect? Immediately?
June.
I totally disagree with your suggestion.At this point, I'd suggest that this thread disappear, and that the core information that collectors and makers need to know be stickied in a locked thread.
This actually may not change much, if you have not been documenting where your ivory came from, you probably should have. I think now you will have to. We will have to see.
Mark, I would argue that the majority of lower-48 makers and collectors do not have their elephant ivory material papered. So I think things, for most people, will change, perhaps considerably - as feds and states scour the internet for "ivory" sales and go into enforcement mode. Remember, it's also a source of government income.
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, it all depends on what the USF&W service comes out with. it depends on what you will have to do to demonstrate that your ivory complies. In some cases its not hard to do, for pre-ban walrus ivory it's pretty easy to satisfy F&W concerns.
It will also depend on to whom compliance (and therefore in what form that document compliance) must be proven. It was never clear whether that would reside with states with respect to the 1990 African/1975 Asian "within state" rule. It will really be a bad thing of every state jurisdiction is tied into enforcement of that part.
It would be a real shame if this thread got locked or tucked away somewhere, we need to be able to talk about this.
I am concerned that when Fish & Wildlife inspectors start to confiscate preban Elephant ivory, that they will also try to scoop up ancient Walrus & Mammoth and maker the owners prove that it is not Elephant. Some of the inspectors might not know the differences between the various ivories.
I totally disagree with your suggestion.
Many collectors have taken a financial hit with this change. Educating collectors has the potential to minimize the financial losses.
It would be a real shame if this thread got locked or tucked away somewhere, we need to be able to talk about this.
+1 on all three of these posts ! :thumbup:Yeah, Mark, this is a biggie a far as I am concerned, relative to it's impact on our passion for knives, and for those of you who are in the business of knives even moreso.
People can still own ivory and pass heirlooms to relatives.