New ZT's for 2017 what do you love?

I wonder if they're going to come out with a full-sized 0462. Love Sinkevich's designs, but the original Poluchotky is... a little pricey, and the 0460 is too small for my taste. Use the 0452CF a lot, so I'll just keep up the hope.
 
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After watching the video, I take back what I said earlier. Among the five knives, this is what I think:

0055: I agree the pic does not do justice to this knife. Looks like in the video it is a cool knife to have. Action looks great; the spring-loaded flip tab is a nice new feature to have (the tab no longer stick out on the back of the knife). At a MAP of $220 it is a valuable knife to have. On the top of my to-have list.
0920: Les George design; big folder, contoured ti scale; blade profile looks great and useful. At a MAP of $240, it is another to-have new ZT.
0801TI: I am not sure if I understand this one correctly. Isn't it the same as the 2016 LE of 0801? I mean, what is different? This is a knife that I can have but do not need to (pretty happy with the original 0801 that I have)
0850: nice cool feather of the lock side (finger rest?); CF scale with a blue tone sounds good to have. Agree with one of the previous posters on the lotus root like thumbstud and back spacer. Do I hear they are made of aluminum and if so, why? A AMP of $320.00 sounds a bit too much for me. Will probably not pick it up.
0460: don't see how this one is better than 0450/0452. Not sure about the Persian/scimitar blade style. It is also too small for my taste. On my not-to-buy list.
 
sharp_edge said:
After watching the video, I take back what I said earlier. Among the five knives, this is what I think:

0055: I agree the pic does not do justice to this knife. Looks like in the video it is a cool knife to have. Action looks great; the spring-loaded flip tab is a nice new feature to have (the tab no longer stick out on the back of the knife). At a MAP of $220 it is a valuable knife to have. On the top of my to-have list.
0920: Les George design; big folder, contoured ti scale; blade profile looks great and useful. At a MAP of $240, it is another to-have new ZT.
0801TI: I am not sure if I understand this one correctly. Isn't it the same as the 2016 LE of 0801? I mean, what is different? This is a knife that I can have but do not need to (pretty happy with the original 0801 that I have)
0850: nice cool feather of the lock side (finger rest?); CF scale with a blue tone sounds good to have. Agree with one of the previous posters on the lotus root like thumbstud and back spacer. Do I hear they are made of aluminum and if so, why? A AMP of $320.00 sounds a bit too much for me. Will probably not pick it up.
0460: don't see how this one is better than 0450/0452. Not sure about the Persian/scimitar blade style. It is also too small for my taste. On my not-to-buy list.
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0801TI (MAP $200) is just like the Summer 2016 Sprint Run 0801BRZ (MAP $240) except that 0801BRZ had bronze anodized titanium and M390 instead of S35VN. That 0801BRZ was a very nice Sprint Run at a great price.

I think the MAP/street prices on all of these is very good including 0850.

The use of alumnum backspacer is to reduce weight. This year they've done a great job of reducing weight with aluminum, CF and skeletonzing the inside of the titanium. 0055, 0850 and 0920 have titanium clips.
 
RamZar said:
0801TI (MAP $200) is just like the Summer 2016 Sprint Run 0801BRZ (MAP $240) except that 0801BRZ had bronze anodized titanium and M390 instead of S35VN. That 0801BRZ was a very nice Sprint Run at a great price.

I think the MAP/street prices on all of these is very good including 0850.

The use of alumnum backspacer is to reduce weight. This year they've done a great job of reducing weight with aluminum, CF and skeletonzing the inside of the titanium. 0055, 0850 and 0920 have titanium clips.
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Thanks RamZar. errr - should not have missed the 2016 sprint run of 0801 ...
 
I predict a spike in sales of their older models from people who were waiting to see if any updates were going to be released this week. I know of numerous 562's on order now from several individuals I know, including myself.
 
kniferbro said:
Edit: Off topic and arguing for no good reason...:)
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Well, I get email notifications any time someone quotes me so you can erase it but I still see it. To answer your question you obviously have never seen me mad. And if you look at your post to me and cant see your own attitude rise along with your font size then I can offer you no insight as to why that might have rubbed me the wrong way. And between the two of us I think I had the better argument. You seem to think the popularity of a product has no merit when assessing whether it is "good" or not. And I'm saying "good" is in no way relative to anyone but each and every individual as it relates to them. And I simply feel that products become popular because people like them. And they stay popular and continue to be manufactured in large quantities and have a large following because people continue to like them.

Now, since I cant say what is good for anyone but myself I have to resort to what is referred to as logic to reach my own personal view, which is that people don't buy and continue to buy with any seeming regularity knives unless they themselves feel its a good product for them. Thus how things become popular in the first place. Of course other factors can come into play such as a products price, availability and need for a product. For instance, toilet paper is generally considered a need. But one might buy cheap toilet paper if they cant afford the one they like on a regular basis. Thus that item may be popular while not being a good product.

But when you move to luxury items such as pocket knives, especially ones costing as much as the average ZT commands I will say again that my personal view is if the overwhelming majority of knife buyers felt ZT knives were not "good" then the brands popularity would have waned. And if you judging by a picture or a video don't like any of the new releases it only means that you don't like them. And if your conclusion based on video and photo is that they are "not good" knives then that analysis applies to you and you alone and possibly other people who may feel the same way. But it doesn't make any of your points fact as like is said, what is good or not good is simply an opinion.
 
sharp_edge said:
After watching the video, I take back what I said earlier. Among the five knives, this is what I think:

0850: nice cool feather of the lock side (finger rest?); CF scale with a blue tone sounds good to have. Agree with one of the previous posters on the lotus root like thumbstud and back spacer. Do I hear they are made of aluminum and if so, why? A AMP of $320.00 sounds a bit too much for me. Will probably not pick it up.
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I believe the inspiration on the custom was a chain gun barrel.

Aluminum is lighter and easier to machine than titanium so it's easier to do more complex machining. It's also a lot cheaper and when you are dealing with a machined carbon fiber sub frame lock knife, it's not going to be cheap under any circumstances so to make it reasonable, aluminum is much better than ti for the thumbstud and backspacer. The clip is the 3d ti clip from the 0804cf.

It's a $40 up charge to go from the 0804cf to the 0850 and you get a freaking sub frame lock in exchange. blade length is almost the same and its an ounce lighter.

I'm just excited that people will get the experience the full CF sub-frame lock without having to try and find a 0777 or a 0454.
 
I'm a fan of GTC's custom SLTs, I think ZT did a nice job on the 0055, just wished they did a two tone on the blade and/or handle. Hell, maybe some anodizing would help. It looks too plain so the custom design aspects don't pop as much as the GTC customs.
 
PURPLEDC said:
if the market wants it and they sell well then the majority of people who buy ZT disagree with you on what is and isn't a good knife. Just because you like your knives, doesn't mean they are good to me.
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The majority of people? It's funny, the "majority" of ZT knife pics with designs similar to these new styles that people post in the what knife are you using today threads are all glistening with safe dust. Look like they've barely been taken out the wrappers. The only ones i see being actually used are the older models, not these new kind of transformer knives. Actually the guy from USAmadeblade seems to actually use his nice pimped ZT's so hats off to him


PURPLEDC said:
You don't see the irony of your posts? You being a person who dislikes these designs and thus probably has never held or used one claims that they are not suitable for any tasks. I usually have a pretty good idea via a picture if I will like something or not. But I have been surprised many times in the 25+ years I have been collecting. And I personally feel to judge a product without even handling it is pure ignorance no matter how experienced you are.
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Just because a knife flips "super fast" and closes "super smooth" doesn't mean it's a good knife, it can mean it's simply a nice modern art knife, not a hard working tool that ZT used to market their knives as. Most knives with bearings (in my opinion) and pretty well supported by commons sense in structural integrity, is not a hard working tool that represents that unbreakable old school ZT vibe. Hardness is never matched between the titanium and ball bearings, the ball bearings eat tracks in the handles slowly if you actually use your knife for work causing small increments of play where you'll need to tighten that pivot to take care of.


PURPLEDC said:
Complains everything is nothing but ti framelocks. Then claims favorite ZT knives are the 0300 and 0550 which are both ti framelocks. Doesn't acknowledge that one of their releases has no flipper and is riding on washers. Then claims everything is pink and purple of which I have seen no ZT's in that color sans a couple limited editions. Colors doesn't make it a bad tool either. Especially if you have never held one.
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My favourite ZT's are the 550 and the older models, yes. But they actually last and stand up to hard work, plus they have washers that were just as fast in function as these toy bearings manufacturers are obsessed with using now days. Colors don't make it a bad tool, and i was clearly referring to knives we have so far from ZT that people love to turn pink and purple, nothing wrong with it, but come on man...Pink, shiny, sparkly pretty little Zero Tolerance Knives "BUILT LIKE A TANK"....that sentence seems a little weird? Mostly my taste here, but ZT has changed to accommodate it's market of young fellas who can now buy cool custom looking sci fi knives at a lower price with good fit and finish.


Anyways im not trying to be an ass, just expressing my opinion.
 
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PURPLEDC said:
Well, I get email notifications any time someone quotes me so you can erase it but I still see it. To answer your question you obviously have never seen me mad. And if you look at your post to me and cant see your own attitude rise along with your font size then I can offer you no insight as to why that might have rubbed me the wrong way. And between the two of us I think I had the better argument. You seem to think the popularity of a product has no merit when assessing whether it is "good" or not. And I'm saying "good" is in no way relative to anyone but each and every individual as it relates to them. And I simply feel that products become popular because people like them. And they stay popular and continue to be manufactured in large quantities and have a large following because people continue to like them.

Now, since I cant say what is good for anyone but myself I have to resort to what is referred to as logic to reach my own personal view, which is that people don't buy and continue to buy with any seeming regularity knives unless they themselves feel its a good product for them. Thus how things become popular in the first place. Of course other factors can come into play such as a products price, availability and need for a product. For instance, toilet paper is generally considered a need. But one might buy cheap toilet paper if they cant afford the one they like on a regular basis. Thus that item may be popular while not being a good product.

But when you move to luxury items such as pocket knives, especially ones costing as much as the average ZT commands I will say again that my personal view is if the overwhelming majority of knife buyers felt ZT knives were not "good" then the brands popularity would have waned. And if you judging by a picture or a video don't like any of the new releases it only means that you don't like them. And if your conclusion based on video and photo is that they are "not good" knives then that analysis applies to you and you alone and possibly other people who may feel the same way. But it doesn't make any of your points fact as like is said, what is good or not good is simply an opinion.
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Oh my gosh I'm not trying to hide it from you. I just didn't see the point in continuing because you are entitled to your opinion and I was getting off topic. "New ZTs what do you love" I've made it clear I don't love any of them so I checked my self. I don't think my attitude ever rose. I kept you out of my post and even ended it with a concession.

I'm not saying a popular knife can't be a good knife. I'm saying a popular knife isn't automatically a good knife. The fact that many people have purchased a product doesn't definitively make it a good product. It speaks to it for sure, but in this case me and many others feel that the "good" ZT puts out now is good in terms of pocket jewelry. No ones doubting ZT's are popular but they're Instagram popular now and catering to that market. They want colors and other unnecessary attributes where as the odd fans out miss the serious tool vibe they used to have. Solid bolt and nut pivots are being replaced by machined honey combs.
 
kniferbro said:
I'm not saying a popular knife can't be a good knife. I'm saying a popular knife isn't automatically a good knife. The fact that many people have purchased a product doesn't definitively make it a good product. It speaks to it for sure, but in this case me and many others feel that the "good" ZT puts out now is good in terms of pocket jewelry. No ones doubting ZT's are popular but they're Instagram popular now and catering to that market. They want colors and other unnecessary attributes where as the odd fans out miss the serious tool vibe they used to have. Solid bolt and nut pivots are being replaced by machined honey combs.
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^^^^^^^ This....
 
Mick_1KRR said:
My favourite ZT's are the 550 and the older models, yes. But they actually last and stand up to hard work, plus they have washers that were just as fast in function as these toy bearings manufacturers are obsessed with using now days.
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The toy bearings didn't get in the way of this...

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They have never been a point of real world weakness that I have ever seen.
 
Mick_1KRR said:
The majority of people? It's funny, the "majority" of ZT knife pics with designs similar to these new styles that people post in the what knife are you using today threads are all glistening with safe dust. Look like they've barely been taken out the wrappers. The only ones i see being actually used are the older models, not these new kind of transformer knives. Actually the guy from USAmadeblade seems to actually use his nice pimped ZT's so hats off to him




Just because a knife flips "super fast" and closes "super smooth" doesn't mean it's a good knife, it can mean it's simply a nice modern art knife, not a hard working tool that ZT used to market their knives as. Most knives with bearings (in my opinion) and pretty well supported by commons sense in structural integrity, is not a hard working tool that represents that unbreakable old school ZT vibe. Hardness is never matched between the titanium and ball bearings, the ball bearings eat tracks in the handles slowly if you actually use your knife for work causing small increments of play where you'll need to tighten that pivot to take care of.




My favourite ZT's are the 550 and the older models, yes. But they actually last and stand up to hard work, plus they have washers that were just as fast in function as these toy bearings manufacturers are obsessed with using now days. Colors don't make it a bad tool, and i was clearly referring to knives we have so far from ZT that people love to turn pink and purple, nothing wrong with it, but come on man...Pink, shiny, sparkly pretty little Zero Tolerance Knives "BUILT LIKE A TANK"....that sentence seems a little weird? Mostly my taste here, but ZT has changed to accommodate it's market of young fellas who can now buy cool custom looking sci fi knives at a lower price with good fit and finish.


Anyways im not trying to be an ass, just expressing my opinion.
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And im saying if you have not used these knives it may be a bit premature to simply write them off as art knives. Especially when one of them is exactly what you seem to like. Large folder, 20cv blade, no flipper and a simple thumbstud manual action on washers. Maybe you dont like the look I dont really know. But as far as your complaint about the color, I did not make the connection that you were referring to people who have their knives modified to be a different color. Because changing the color after purchase is a choice of the consumer not the manufacturer but you used it as a slight against zt as if they have control over it. With that said, I love purple and wish all my knives could be. My current EDC is purple and I use it everyday. Im not cutting people out of gun safes but the color of a knife I dont see as anything other than personal taste.


kniferbro said:
Oh my gosh I'm not trying to hide it from you. I just didn't see the point in continuing because you are entitled to your opinion and I was getting off topic. "New ZTs what do you love" I've made it clear I don't love any of them so I checked my self. I don't think my attitude ever rose. I kept you out of my post and even ended it with a concession.

I'm not saying a popular knife can't be a good knife. I'm saying a popular knife isn't automatically a good knife. The fact that many people have purchased a product doesn't definitively make it a good product. It speaks to it for sure, but in this case me and many others feel that the "good" ZT puts out now is good in terms of pocket jewelry. No ones doubting ZT's are popular but they're Instagram popular now and catering to that market. They want colors and other unnecessary attributes where as the odd fans out miss the serious tool vibe they used to have. Solid bolt and nut pivots are being replaced by machined honey combs.
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I didnt say you were trying to hide anything. I was simply informing you that if you delete a post after quoting me I will still see it and if I desire will respond. And I agree with most of your statements. And to be clear at no point did I say that it automatically makes it a good knife. But I do believe their is a correlation with long standing popularity and overall opinion of the majority. And the 0909 has your solid bolt pivot. Increasing options is not the same as limiting them IMHO. Variety is the spice of life. And I think some take it personally when their exacting desires arent met by this particular company year after year. If a company decides to cater to a small demographic and ignores popular vote often the company gos under as there are not enough sales to support the business. And to get upset with one company when so many other options exist to me is a bit silly but to each their own.
 
I don't see anything for 2017 that interests me, but that's a bit of a relief...I still have a number of the 2015 models that I need to add to my collection.... 0452...0562...0630...0900...the only model I picked up from last year's offering was the 0450cf. 2015 was quite the year for ZT.
 
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