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That kayak design grabbed me big time... I love that cutting hook/reverse swedge arrangement! I can definitely see myself using that feature a lot. That's some pretty crisp drafting as well. Thanks for posting it!
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Thanks Doc, I appreciate that. I hope I can pull this one off, should prove interesting to make, at any rate.
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Awhile back, I partnered up, (me being the designer) with a company called Millbrook Tactical. The idea was to do a limited production run of about 120 knives to start out, all hand made, except for the profile being waterjet. The model was called the Sentinel. Unfortunately, things did not work out initially, (a bit of an understatement- the whole project went nuclear and completely blew up). Undaunted, I continued to try and move the project forward and built a really good working relationship with Peter Marzitelli, who I've worked with in the past and who is a very trustworthy dude that I get along really well with. The original pattern unfortunately was destroyed, so I started fresh and redesigned the Sentinel and I think the new version is better and more refined.
Well, unfortunately, Millbrook Tactical lost their appetite for the handmade cutlery business based on their initial experience, and so the Sentinel project is no more.
Well, during the time where I was working with Peter, I learned how to use Illustrator well enough to digitize the new Sentinel design so that we could send it to waterjet and make a prototype.
I just received the one and only blank about an hour ago, and here it is;
So, if my plate wasn't full enough already, now I've got this knife to finish out! Having it profiled out takes a lot of work off my shoulders here, but it will likely be some time before I get to it. Or maybe not. I guess I'll find out
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Awhile back, I partnered up, (me being the designer) with a company called Millbrook Tactical. The idea was to do a limited production run of about 120 knives to start out, all hand made, except for the profile being waterjet. The model was called the Sentinel. Unfortunately, things did not work out initially, (a bit of an understatement- the whole project went nuclear and completely blew up). Undaunted, I continued to try and move the project forward and built a really good working relationship with Peter Marzitelli, who I've worked with in the past and who is a very trustworthy dude that I get along really well with. The original pattern unfortunately was destroyed, so I started fresh and redesigned the Sentinel and I think the new version is better and more refined.
Well, unfortunately, Millbrook Tactical lost their appetite for the handmade cutlery business based on their initial experience, and so the Sentinel project is no more.
Well, during the time where I was working with Peter, I learned how to use Illustrator well enough to digitize the new Sentinel design so that we could send it to waterjet and make a prototype.
I just received the one and only blank about an hour ago, and here it is;
So, if my plate wasn't full enough already, now I've got this knife to finish out! Having it profiled out takes a lot of work off my shoulders here, but it will likely be some time before I get to it. Or maybe not. I guess I'll find out
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this project, of building a room that my growing daughter can enjoy hangin out in, has been percolating in my mind for a couple of years now, and I've been slamming away at it for almost a month now whenever I had some time to do it.
That meant no riding, no trail building, no extracurricular whatever.
Anyway, I'm glad it's done. Now I can start working on some knife a bit.
That meant no riding, no trail building, no extracurricular whatever.
Anyway, I'm glad it's done. Now I can start working on some knife a bit.
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Cool Lorien, glad to see the daughter's bedroom is done and it looks good. Now that must mean you I might have some time to focus on some knifemaking! 
I must say it is good to see you jumping into some more really cool projects. Love the first fixed blade, second one has lots of promise but 3V with files sounds like in humane torture. Very excited to see you working on a folder!! the Kayak knife looks great and the Sentinel is cool too. As always your designs are all very good. Which two are you going to focus on first now?
Eager to see what happens here!
Eric
I must say it is good to see you jumping into some more really cool projects. Love the first fixed blade, second one has lots of promise but 3V with files sounds like in humane torture. Very excited to see you working on a folder!! the Kayak knife looks great and the Sentinel is cool too. As always your designs are all very good. Which two are you going to focus on first now?
Eager to see what happens here!
Eric
All those designs look great ! May I ask what
Was the inspiration for the kayak knife ? Or
Was it something you just thought of ? I really
Like that pit fighter so if you ever get done and
Begine to take orders ill be interested if I got the
Funds !
Frank
Was the inspiration for the kayak knife ? Or
Was it something you just thought of ? I really
Like that pit fighter so if you ever get done and
Begine to take orders ill be interested if I got the
Funds !
Frank
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How did I miss this thread?? Lorien, you know I am a big fan of yours and have nothing but respect for your dedication and commitment to anything you set your mind to! Sorry about the Millbrook Fiasco!
I really like the First blade design, it has a similar feel to the original PIF "A" Design that I love so much! I also really like the new Sentinel design. I am watching for some Plunges!!!
I really like the First blade design, it has a similar feel to the original PIF "A" Design that I love so much! I also really like the new Sentinel design. I am watching for some Plunges!!!
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Eric, you're so right. Priorities, priorities. Getting Quinn's room dialed in has absorbed so much of my time, I haven't even had much time to think about anything else. I'm renovating the bike shop this winter as well, rebuilding my work benches, front counter and pretty much anything else that can be rebuilt, but I intend to squeeze out at least a couple of knives over the winter.
Steven, as per my pm to you, I greatly appreciate your compliment. I'm glad that it appears we've started a new chapter, and that no bridge appears too badly burnt.
Frank, the kayak design is a little radical. The handle shaping is exaggerated to ensure a solid grip when the knife is wet. As for buying a knife from me, don't hold your breath. You will die from asphyxiation. I have ZERO desire to make knives for selling, except for close friends whose money I will turn into knife making tools, such as is the case with the kayak knife. But I am honored by your kind words.
Ryan, what can I say? Reading your post made me blush.
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The steel is dye-chem'd. The stuff actually is not that great. I'm thinking I'll go back to majick markers.
I cut the bevel borders from laminated paper after tracing the pattern out. This way, I can make sure my bevels are the same from one side of the knife to the other.
One of the holdups for me has been a center scribe. I've done it in the past using a flexible ruler, a compass, basically things which are not very accurate, and are difficult to use. And I hate the idea of making a knife that is off center or otherwise imperfect in that way.
So...I found an old set of Onza cantilever brakes which I've had sitting around for 10+ years;
drilled and tapped out the arm, and made my own center scribe. It's very adjustable, and pretty trick. I've got a couple of bugs to work out, but it seems to work pretty good.
Steven, as per my pm to you, I greatly appreciate your compliment. I'm glad that it appears we've started a new chapter, and that no bridge appears too badly burnt.
Frank, the kayak design is a little radical. The handle shaping is exaggerated to ensure a solid grip when the knife is wet. As for buying a knife from me, don't hold your breath. You will die from asphyxiation. I have ZERO desire to make knives for selling, except for close friends whose money I will turn into knife making tools, such as is the case with the kayak knife. But I am honored by your kind words.
Ryan, what can I say? Reading your post made me blush.
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The steel is dye-chem'd. The stuff actually is not that great. I'm thinking I'll go back to majick markers.
I cut the bevel borders from laminated paper after tracing the pattern out. This way, I can make sure my bevels are the same from one side of the knife to the other.
One of the holdups for me has been a center scribe. I've done it in the past using a flexible ruler, a compass, basically things which are not very accurate, and are difficult to use. And I hate the idea of making a knife that is off center or otherwise imperfect in that way.
So...I found an old set of Onza cantilever brakes which I've had sitting around for 10+ years;
drilled and tapped out the arm, and made my own center scribe. It's very adjustable, and pretty trick. I've got a couple of bugs to work out, but it seems to work pretty good.
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man, I've been busy getting my bike shop in order these days.
Made myself a new money maker, uncovering unknown carpentry skills learned from life on the farm which are now serving me well.
Anyway, got to filing away at some 3V and hope to have some good progress over the next couple of months.
Made myself a new money maker, uncovering unknown carpentry skills learned from life on the farm which are now serving me well.
Anyway, got to filing away at some 3V and hope to have some good progress over the next couple of months.
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That looks great. It's funny, I can make a bad folder run almost perfect, but cannot true a wheel if someone put a gun to my head.
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maybe I can save your life by teaching you how to true a wheel. Hopefully it would never come to that, but it's good to be prepared for anything.
Would love to do a family trip to San Diego one day...
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6mm thick 3V with a super high grind means a lot of work with a file, but I'm pretty much done with the file on this side of the knife;
Saved up my filings just for kicks.
gave it a quick buff with a DMT and the bevel looks pretty consistent. Sometimes ya can't tell if ya got low points and whatnot til ya get to sanding, and I find this method at least helps me see sort of where I'm at.
Time to get started on the next side. Lots of bikes to work on this week, so not much opportunity to work on knives but I'll squeeze it in whenever I can.
Saved up my filings just for kicks.
gave it a quick buff with a DMT and the bevel looks pretty consistent. Sometimes ya can't tell if ya got low points and whatnot til ya get to sanding, and I find this method at least helps me see sort of where I'm at.
Time to get started on the next side. Lots of bikes to work on this week, so not much opportunity to work on knives but I'll squeeze it in whenever I can.
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Love the flow of the pit fighter. It oozes SEXY
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Ok Lorien, I think it's time to stop focusing on the the metal shaving, use the good ole shopvac and move on. 
Kidding aside, Like Mike, I want to see more of that small fighter. :thumbup:
Kidding aside, Like Mike, I want to see more of that small fighter. :thumbup:
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Hehe...what can I say? I'm fascinated by metal filings!
I wanted to start on this knife because it's so thick and to get the edge geometry I wanted I knew I'd have to spend many hours filing away at it. Trying to get my chops back since it's been awhile since I've made a knife. There's so much material here that I can goof up a fair amount without wreaking too much havoc.
The other patterns are more complicated due to the fact that the material is thinner and any screw ups will have lasting consequences, especially the kayak knife, which is intended for someone else and which has complicated bevels. I had intended it to be the first, but I'm going to practice on the other three beforehand for the reason noted. I think the next one to file down with be the pit fighter. Definitely won't take as long as the 3V monster which generated that huge pile of filings!
I wanted to start on this knife because it's so thick and to get the edge geometry I wanted I knew I'd have to spend many hours filing away at it. Trying to get my chops back since it's been awhile since I've made a knife. There's so much material here that I can goof up a fair amount without wreaking too much havoc.
The other patterns are more complicated due to the fact that the material is thinner and any screw ups will have lasting consequences, especially the kayak knife, which is intended for someone else and which has complicated bevels. I had intended it to be the first, but I'm going to practice on the other three beforehand for the reason noted. I think the next one to file down with be the pit fighter. Definitely won't take as long as the 3V monster which generated that huge pile of filings!
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I thought by now that you would know the proper knifemaking lingo. Those are called design changes.