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Tnx Balis Edge....not cooperative?????next time get my wife to work the deal....I'm VERY cooperative with her..... 
There is a thin line between whipped and pecked... md
There is a thin line between whipped and pecked... md
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Not as cooperative as you had hoped? What happened?
Michael Dye has delivered with the best service of anyone I've dealt with, hands down. He communicates frequently and quickly, offers great deals, fast delivery times, etc. I haven't found any dealer with as many great qualities as Mike!
Michael Dye has delivered with the best service of anyone I've dealt with, hands down. He communicates frequently and quickly, offers great deals, fast delivery times, etc. I haven't found any dealer with as many great qualities as Mike!
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No offense against Mike, it's just that he wouldn't ship to my country so I had to ask a friend to order and ship it, same as NFA. Both guys are very nice and carry great knives at excellent prices. I respected their decision, but I wish I could have received my items directly... maybe next time.
pretend to understand "what the problem was" (does anyone understand what this is about?), but I will speak up as to what a great guy Mike Dye is to deal with. I have only made two purchases from NewGraham Knives so far, and both have been tremendously satisfying experiences.
I have communicated with Mike via email on some items and had inquiries etc. on others. He has ALWAYS responded quickly and cheerfully answered my questions etc. I don't recall ever being treated like a long time customer\friend by ANY online vendor for any products at all, and as I have already said I've only dealt with them for TWO purchases!!!
My good experiences with New Graham Knives have made it easy to narrow down my search time for new pieces by leaps and bounds-in essence "why look elsewhere if Mike has it?"
Hats off to Mike and everyone at New Graham Knives for being real standouts in a potentially dangerous game like online knife purchasing!
BOTTOM LINE: If Mike didn't do it, it should not have been done!
My apologies to Mike for not coming forward in support sooner...
Mongrel
I have communicated with Mike via email on some items and had inquiries etc. on others. He has ALWAYS responded quickly and cheerfully answered my questions etc. I don't recall ever being treated like a long time customer\friend by ANY online vendor for any products at all, and as I have already said I've only dealt with them for TWO purchases!!!
My good experiences with New Graham Knives have made it easy to narrow down my search time for new pieces by leaps and bounds-in essence "why look elsewhere if Mike has it?"
Hats off to Mike and everyone at New Graham Knives for being real standouts in a potentially dangerous game like online knife purchasing!
BOTTOM LINE: If Mike didn't do it, it should not have been done!
My apologies to Mike for not coming forward in support sooner...
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I believe there is a big misunderstanding here. I intended to leave positive feedback, that included a flaw, not everybody's perfect. I am from Canada, not that it makes a difference, and the knives I ordered are legal for import. I asked Mike to label the parcel as "kitchen cutlery" to avoid employee theft from the postage company, and label it as a "gift" to avoid custom tax. This was something Mike did not want to do and I respect that. I wish he would have so that I could have had my items delivered to me directly without any additional shipping charges and an extended waiting period. Mike is a great guy and I am not disagreeing with any of you Gentlemen. Mike has a great business and I highly recommend him to everyone.
CODE 3, there's no reason to step in here. I think some people just misinterpreted my post.
Mike, sorry for damaging your reputation.
CODE 3, there's no reason to step in here. I think some people just misinterpreted my post.
Mike, sorry for damaging your reputation.
Originally posted by Balis Edge:
I'm not stepping in here at this time; I'm merely asking a question, to gain more information. You were not clear on your original post, so I asked for clarification purposes.
I ask because most dealers here in the U.S. have their reasons for not shipping outside the U.S., and you pointed out one of the biggest reasons: Customs.
I respect the decision Mike made in declining to label the package as you asked. He owns a business, and misrepresenting anything could subject him to more grief than you or I could imagine, not to mention the possible financial implications.
Again, my post was made to gain more information on the subject, and to clarify what you were saying about New Graham. Moderator mode is off at this time.
I'm not stepping in here at this time; I'm merely asking a question, to gain more information. You were not clear on your original post, so I asked for clarification purposes.
I ask because most dealers here in the U.S. have their reasons for not shipping outside the U.S., and you pointed out one of the biggest reasons: Customs.
I respect the decision Mike made in declining to label the package as you asked. He owns a business, and misrepresenting anything could subject him to more grief than you or I could imagine, not to mention the possible financial implications.
Again, my post was made to gain more information on the subject, and to clarify what you were saying about New Graham. Moderator mode is off at this time.
BalisEdge, I appreciate your previous business. However, I am compelled to respond to your statement, "Unfortunately, they weren't as cooperative as I had hoped."
You live in Canada. Benchmade Knives Inc. does not ship BaliSong knives to Canada because of legalities. In consideration of that, neither do I.
Pursuant with your instructions, on April 25, 2002 I shipped the knife to your associate in the USA via USPS Priority Mail with delivery confirmation and insurance. Delivery to your associate was confirmed at 9:09 AM on April 27, 2002.
You live in Canada. Benchmade Knives Inc. does not ship BaliSong knives to Canada because of legalities. In consideration of that, neither do I.
Pursuant with your instructions, on April 25, 2002 I shipped the knife to your associate in the USA via USPS Priority Mail with delivery confirmation and insurance. Delivery to your associate was confirmed at 9:09 AM on April 27, 2002.
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Matt, you have to understand that if anyone sending you a knife lists it as something other than what it is they could get into legal difficulties. It has nothing to do with being cooperative. These people want to remain in business and are not going to take any chances trying to fool Customs.
Though it may now be legal to import Balis into Canada (and I emphazize MAY, because I have still never seen any documentation from the Government of Canada that confirms this), it is still unlikely that companies that previosly had rules against shipping Balis to Canada are going to change those rules.
You may have had to jump through some hoops to get your knife/knives. Learn to live with it if you are going to bring Balis into Canada. These companies are being cautious, and rightfully so. The problems they could find themselves in for complying with your wishes make doing so not worth the hassle.
Though it may now be legal to import Balis into Canada (and I emphazize MAY, because I have still never seen any documentation from the Government of Canada that confirms this), it is still unlikely that companies that previosly had rules against shipping Balis to Canada are going to change those rules.
You may have had to jump through some hoops to get your knife/knives. Learn to live with it if you are going to bring Balis into Canada. These companies are being cautious, and rightfully so. The problems they could find themselves in for complying with your wishes make doing so not worth the hassle.
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NFA,
KWM,
Some knife sellers I know are working out the details on whether or not the laws regarding possession can be changed.
As for false information, labeling a knife as "kitchen cutlery" does not qualify as inaccurate information, it's a grey area that is appropriate for a description. This instruction is not to "fool" customs by slipping past border inspection, but rather, to avoid employee theft. Marking the item as a "gift" may be false because it has been paid for, but it is a favor that many sellers comply with. This instruction, on the otherhand, is for avoiding customs tax, which may not be an ethical practice. I will no longer use this description because I don't mind paying the $20 for tax.
I agree with the rest of you guys. A seller can back out on any sale that he/she is not comfortable with and I respect their decision to do so. The instructions that I had requested, in my opinion, were not a threat to their business. If it was, then I apologize. Thanks everyone.
This is incorrect. They do indeed ship balisong knives to Canada.
KWM,
This is a fact, balisongs are legal to import in Canada. My knives that were shipped to me were opened by customs, inspected, sealed with yellow customs tape ("Opened by Customs - Revenue Canada"), was delivered, and duty was collected.
Some knife sellers I know are working out the details on whether or not the laws regarding possession can be changed.
As for false information, labeling a knife as "kitchen cutlery" does not qualify as inaccurate information, it's a grey area that is appropriate for a description. This instruction is not to "fool" customs by slipping past border inspection, but rather, to avoid employee theft. Marking the item as a "gift" may be false because it has been paid for, but it is a favor that many sellers comply with. This instruction, on the otherhand, is for avoiding customs tax, which may not be an ethical practice. I will no longer use this description because I don't mind paying the $20 for tax.
I agree with the rest of you guys. A seller can back out on any sale that he/she is not comfortable with and I respect their decision to do so. The instructions that I had requested, in my opinion, were not a threat to their business. If it was, then I apologize. Thanks everyone.
I repeat for all to read. I had business with BalisEdge on or about April 25, 2002. BalisEdge, a resident of Canada, wanted me to ship him a Benchmade BaliSong knife that I advertised for sale at Bladeforums.com. I am not an expert on the legalities of shipping a BaliSong knife to Canada, despite BalisEdges assurance that it was legal. I sought the advice of Benchmade Knives, Inc. the foremost and largest manufacturer of BaliSong knives in the USA. Benchmade Knives, Inc. stated in unambiguous language that they DO NOT ship BaliSong knives to Canada due to the legalities. They advised me NOT to ship a BaliSong knife to Canada.
Upon that advice I cancelled the transaction with BalisEdge. At this point BalisEdge offered to accept delivery of the knife at the address of his associate in the USA. Delivery of the knife in question to BalisEdges associate in the USA was completed within 48 hours.
I hereby submit that my handling of this transaction was prudent and well advised. BalisEdges assertion that I was uncooperative is unfounded.
Upon that advice I cancelled the transaction with BalisEdge. At this point BalisEdge offered to accept delivery of the knife at the address of his associate in the USA. Delivery of the knife in question to BalisEdges associate in the USA was completed within 48 hours.
I hereby submit that my handling of this transaction was prudent and well advised. BalisEdges assertion that I was uncooperative is unfounded.
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Ill add my words.
It is legal to ship balisongs into Canada as of oct this year.
There was large discusion of this in the Canadian Forum. To see it go here. Balis edge has done alot of talking with Customs in finding out the laws.
To ship a balisong into Canada all you need is to include this document.
As of balisedge wanting it labeld kitchen cutlery, that is a legal discription. On the description, it doesnt have to be 100% true IE ""1999 Benchmade Balisong 43A colver bowie, made in oregon. You could technicaly label it as a "Tool kit" and it would still be legal. I have talked to a customs agents and he was the one that told me about it.
As for him wanting him to mark it as a gift, that would be lying.
Edited to add: Didnt get to finish adding what I was typing.
It is legal to ship balisongs into Canada as of oct this year.
There was large discusion of this in the Canadian Forum. To see it go here. Balis edge has done alot of talking with Customs in finding out the laws.
To ship a balisong into Canada all you need is to include this document.
As of balisedge wanting it labeld kitchen cutlery, that is a legal discription. On the description, it doesnt have to be 100% true IE ""1999 Benchmade Balisong 43A colver bowie, made in oregon. You could technicaly label it as a "Tool kit" and it would still be legal. I have talked to a customs agents and he was the one that told me about it.
As for him wanting him to mark it as a gift, that would be lying.
Edited to add: Didnt get to finish adding what I was typing.
Balis Edge did a transaction. He got what he wanted, and got:
"Great deals from both of these guys."
No problem so far. Now he wants to have the stuff shipped to Canada, marked as 'kitchen cutlery' and as a gift. Sellers do not want to do so. From Balis Edge's first post:
"Unfortunately, they weren't as cooperative as I had hoped......"
He did not state that the sellers were uncooperative. He merely stated that he had hoped that they would cooperate with a bit of spin with the packaging, and send the package to a place they were uncomfortable shipping to. Sellers didn't wish to comply with the shipping part, but nonetheless got him his parcel in a roundabout fashion, quite handily, and at a good deal. Buyer then went on to thank the sellers.
From the beginning, I see all good feedback here... no negative. From this entire thread, I gather that doing business with NFA or Michael Dye will result in a very good, smooth transaction. And I believe that it was Balis Edge's intention for me to come to this conclusion.
Questions?
"Great deals from both of these guys."
No problem so far. Now he wants to have the stuff shipped to Canada, marked as 'kitchen cutlery' and as a gift. Sellers do not want to do so. From Balis Edge's first post:
"Unfortunately, they weren't as cooperative as I had hoped......"
He did not state that the sellers were uncooperative. He merely stated that he had hoped that they would cooperate with a bit of spin with the packaging, and send the package to a place they were uncomfortable shipping to. Sellers didn't wish to comply with the shipping part, but nonetheless got him his parcel in a roundabout fashion, quite handily, and at a good deal. Buyer then went on to thank the sellers.
From the beginning, I see all good feedback here... no negative. From this entire thread, I gather that doing business with NFA or Michael Dye will result in a very good, smooth transaction. And I believe that it was Balis Edge's intention for me to come to this conclusion.
Questions?
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Velitrius,
Thank you very much, you are right on the button!
NFA, could you please check with Benchmade again and see if they have shipped to Canada within the last month and email me the response privately? I am aware of at least one well established knife business in my city that is a distributor of Benchmade Balisongs, ordered from Benchmade Knife Company.
NOTE: I recommend both of these sellers, Mike from www.newgraham.com and NFA. I appreciate your business, thank you.
Thank you very much, you are right on the button!
NFA, could you please check with Benchmade again and see if they have shipped to Canada within the last month and email me the response privately? I am aware of at least one well established knife business in my city that is a distributor of Benchmade Balisongs, ordered from Benchmade Knife Company.
NOTE: I recommend both of these sellers, Mike from www.newgraham.com and NFA. I appreciate your business, thank you.