NJ Gov. Ignores Property Rights and Reality, Signs Draconian Ivory Ban Into Law

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The widely dispersed myth that 35,000 elephants a year are killed by poachers is a bald faced lie. Since poaching began to pick up around 2008, the level of poaching never got anywhere near that number. CITES released in June of this year an update to numbers that have been consistent for years that poaching peaked in 2011 at 25,000 elephants, declined in 2012 to 22,000, and declined again in 2013 to 20,000. http://www.cites.org/eng/elephant_poaching_and_ivory_smuggling_figures_for_2013_released CITES credits increases in African Law enforcement for being a primary factor in the decline of poaching - something everyone can agree is a good idea!

The important thing about the declining poaching numbers is that, while the numbers of elephants poached exceeds anticipated natural replacement levels for animals, the level of poaching is dropping back closer to that level. There is still a need to fight poachers to protect long term interests of elephants, but the threat of extinction is being grossly exaggerated.

As for the claim that law enforcement agents can't tell different kinds of ivories apart or that they can't distinguish antiques from recently poached ivory, that, too is exaggeration. There are people on this forum who work with ivory who can explain this better than I can. While there are some cases, especially with very small quantities of ivory, like inlays, where distinguishing between ivory types is very difficult, but that's not the case when you're dealing with large amounts of ivory that would constitute a significant violation of the law. The bigger point is that focusing on an agent in a curio shop is disregarding all of the other ways law enforcement can prevent illegal ivory from entering the country. The best way is to stop it at the source and at key transit points. Even Born Free recently published a study (Ivory's Curse, April 2014) strongly urging enforcement authorities to focus on ports in Africa through which poached ivory must transit to get to the rest of the world. It's common sense.

The terrorist funding thing is also way overblown. The increase in militarized groups poaching elephants are local criminal gangs who got weapons from the Obama/Clinton escapade in Libya. These are bad guys, no doubt, but what do you expect poachers to be like? Al Shabaab, one of the "most genuine" terror groups, operates in countries without elephants and deals with much more lucrative crime than elephant ivory. You can read a lot more about the situation in the 106 page UNEP report "The Environmental Crime Crisis" found at http://grida.no/publications/rr/crime/

I've talked a lot about elephants and poaching, but let's focus on the United States. USFWS simply can't establish importation of illegal ivory is a major problem in the US - and that's because the problem is not significant. People love to point to the Victor Gordon case - a Philadelphia Antique dealer recently sentenced in New York. He collected ivory over many years and stopped importing around 2009 - well before peak years of poaching. He plead guilty so his side of the story isn't published, but reading between the lines in press accounts it looks like FWS seized all of his ivory, not just stuff imported from Africa, so it's really hard to tell what was illegally brought into the country vs what was legal. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ion-scratchoff-usf-ws-forest-elephants-gabon/ In just November 2013, USFWS put out a self congratulatory description of their investigation efforts, but they had to reach back to the beginning of this century to identify all of their cases. http://www.fws.gov/le/pdf/Elephant-Ivory-Investigations.pdf In September 2012, they came out and admitted that there was not a significant trade of illegal ivory into this country. http://www.fws.gov/international/pd...s-to-control-illegal-elephant-ivory-trade.pdf. Their story only changed after December 2013 when the President's Advisory Council on Wildlife Trafficking announced their jihad on Domestic Ivory.

I, like everyone who deals with antiques, knives, musical instruments, guns, art or anything else containing legal ivory, want to see elephants protected. Unfortunately, instead of turning legitimate dealers and collectors into allies, the US government has declared war on the innocent. This is stupid public policy. It's also bad for elephants, because the government is treating local African communities who are implementing sound conservation policies just as poorly. This is much more about politics and exploiting an emotional issue about which most people have been severely misinformed than it is about saving elephants in Africa.
 
You're the lobbyist, why don't you tell us all what YOU'VE accomplished, buddy? Why don't you tell us all what YOU have done (as a lobbyist and all) to "protect" us? Where is the list of bills that have been passed that you personally got pushed through that allowed greater rights to "guys like me"?

I mean, tell us what we've gotten thanks to your "modest living" earned while "protecting" us. You're the lobbyist, so really, shouldn't you have started out on that tack rather than asking me, who made no claims whatsoever about pushing knife rights, what I'M doing? Let's see what YOU'VE got, since you actually are getting paid to do it.

Happy to inform. I have drafted, lobbied and enacted all of these personally. Where are your accomplishments?


2014
• Tennessee Switchblade Ban, 4-inch Intent Limit Repealed
• Kansas Knife Law Preemption Strengthened
• Knife Owners’ Protection Act Introduced in U.S. Senate
• Pro-Knife Bills in SC, OK, VA & VT
2013
• Indiana Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Knife Owner’s Protection Act Introduced in U.S. House
• Kansas Knife Law Preemption, Ban on Switchblades, Dirks, Daggers & Stilettos Repealed
• Alaska Knife Law Preemption, Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Tennessee Knife Law Preemption
• Texas Switchblade Ban Repealed
• New Jersey Anti-Knife Bill Stopped
2012
• Georgia Knife Law Preemption
• Missouri Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Washington Pro-Knife Bill Passed
2011
• Utah & New Hampshire Knife Law Preemption
• Washington, Nevada & Florida Anti-Knife Bills Stopped
• Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit filed against New York City
2010
• Arizona Knife Law Preemption Bill - 1st in Nation
• New Hampshire Ban on Switchblades, Dirks, Daggers & Stilettos Repealed
 
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the widely dispersed myth that 35,000 elephants a year are killed by poachers is a bald faced lie. Since poaching began to pick up around 2008, the level of poaching never got anywhere near that number. Cites released in june of this year an update to numbers that have been consistent for years that poaching peaked in 2011 at 25,000 elephants, declined in 2012 to 22,000, and declined again in 2013 to 20,000. http://www.cites.org/eng/elephant_poaching_and_ivory_smuggling_figures_for_2013_released cites credits increases in african law enforcement for being a primary factor in the decline of poaching - something everyone can agree is a good idea!

The important thing about the declining poaching numbers is that, while the numbers of elephants poached exceeds anticipated natural replacement levels for animals, the level of poaching is dropping back closer to that level. There is still a need to fight poachers to protect long term interests of elephants, but the threat of extinction is being grossly exaggerated.

As for the claim that law enforcement agents can't tell different kinds of ivories apart or that they can't distinguish antiques from recently poached ivory, that, too is exaggeration. There are people on this forum who work with ivory who can explain this better than i can. While there are some cases, especially with very small quantities of ivory, like inlays, where distinguishing between ivory types is very difficult, but that's not the case when you're dealing with large amounts of ivory that would constitute a significant violation of the law. The bigger point is that focusing on an agent in a curio shop is disregarding all of the other ways law enforcement can prevent illegal ivory from entering the country. The best way is to stop it at the source and at key transit points. Even born free recently published a study (ivory's curse, april 2014) strongly urging enforcement authorities to focus on ports in africa through which poached ivory must transit to get to the rest of the world. It's common sense.

The terrorist funding thing is also way overblown. The increase in militarized groups poaching elephants are local criminal gangs who got weapons from the obama/clinton escapade in libya. These are bad guys, no doubt, but what do you expect poachers to be like? Al shabaab, one of the "most genuine" terror groups, operates in countries without elephants and deals with much more lucrative crime than elephant ivory. You can read a lot more about the situation in the 106 page unep report "the environmental crime crisis" found at http://grida.no/publications/rr/crime/

i've talked a lot about elephants and poaching, but let's focus on the united states. Usfws simply can't establish importation of illegal ivory is a major problem in the us - and that's because the problem is not significant. People love to point to the victor gordon case - a philadelphia antique dealer recently sentenced in new york. He collected ivory over many years and stopped importing around 2009 - well before peak years of poaching. He plead guilty so his side of the story isn't published, but reading between the lines in press accounts it looks like fws seized all of his ivory, not just stuff imported from africa, so it's really hard to tell what was illegally brought into the country vs what was legal. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ion-scratchoff-usf-ws-forest-elephants-gabon/ in just november 2013, usfws put out a self congratulatory description of their investigation efforts, but they had to reach back to the beginning of this century to identify all of their cases. http://www.fws.gov/le/pdf/elephant-ivory-investigations.pdf in september 2012, they came out and admitted that there was not a significant trade of illegal ivory into this country. http://www.fws.gov/international/pd...s-to-control-illegal-elephant-ivory-trade.pdf. Their story only changed after december 2013 when the president's advisory council on wildlife trafficking announced their jihad on domestic ivory.

I, like everyone who deals with antiques, knives, musical instruments, guns, art or anything else containing legal ivory, want to see elephants protected. Unfortunately, instead of turning legitimate dealers and collectors into allies, the us government has declared war on the innocent. This is stupid public policy. It's also bad for elephants, because the government is treating local african communities who are implementing sound conservation policies just as poorly. This is much more about politics and exploiting an emotional issue about which most people have been severely misinformed than it is about saving elephants in africa.

excellent!
 
Elephants are literally being wiped out in Africa by ivory poachers. Tens of thousands of African elephants are killed each year, and the trend is accelerating. The poachers are mostly terrorist-affiliated extremists who use their profits to spread death and misery around the world. These profits are used to kill American soldiers.

US enforcement officials lack the resources to distinguish between legal pre-ban ivory and illegal post-ban elephant ivory — or even fossil ivory from other species — and the ivory dealers and their political allies want to keep it that way.

The current laws against illegal, post-ban elephant ivory are not working, largely because dealers lie about the origin of the ivory, and enforcement officials lack the resources to prove otherwise.

The US is a major importer of illegal ivory purchased either as raw ivory or as finished products made in China and other Asian markets. Tons of Illegal ivory worth millions of dollars flow into the United States each year. Enforcement officials intercept only a tiny fraction of this illegal ivory.

This issue has nothing to do with knife rights. Doug Ritter has a vested interest in seeing that all bans on elephant ivory are repealed because he represents the industry that sells products made from ivory. As you can see from his hyperbolic OP, he is adverse to presenting the full, honest story.

Lets do all we can to save the elephant. Elephants are facing extinction.

Yes, some owners of legitimate ivory products will be inconvenienced. Many will not be able to sell their existing ivory. So let current owners of legal ivory have their ivory tested and certified as legal at their own cost, and then we can refine the law to let them keep their pre-ban ivory. But to just open the ivory trade up worldwide, as Ritter wants, will destroy a beautiful creature.

You owe Critter an apology
 
If you had a clue you would realize that I fight "government officials", daily. But expecting you to know that would be..well...just silly.

Let me ask you, do you always directly insult your (alleged) constituents this way, or is it just me because I've called you out?
 
Happy to inform. I have drafted, lobbied and enacted all of these personally. Where are your accomplishments?


2014
• Tennessee Switchblade Ban, 4-inch Intent Limit Repealed
• Kansas Knife Law Preemption Strengthened
• Knife Owners’ Protection Act Introduced in U.S. Senate
• Pro-Knife Bills in SC, OK, VA & VT
2013
• Indiana Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Knife Owner’s Protection Act Introduced in U.S. House
• Kansas Knife Law Preemption, Ban on Switchblades, Dirks, Daggers & Stilettos Repealed
• Alaska Knife Law Preemption, Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Tennessee Knife Law Preemption
• Texas Switchblade Ban Repealed
• New Jersey Anti-Knife Bill Stopped
2012
• Georgia Knife Law Preemption
• Missouri Switchblade Ban Repealed
• Washington Pro-Knife Bill Passed
2011
• Utah & New Hampshire Knife Law Preemption
• Washington, Nevada & Florida Anti-Knife Bills Stopped
• Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit filed against New York City
2010
• Arizona Knife Law Preemption Bill - 1st in Nation
• New Hampshire Ban on Switchblades, Dirks, Daggers & Stilettos Repealed

Please post, or PM me your name so I can follow up and verify each and every one of these. Thanks. :thumbup:

P.S. You've not actually "enacted" ANY bills. Lobbyists don't do that. LOL The ish is piling higher and deeper.
 
Who wants ivory on a blade anyway?

There are many beautiful knives with ivory handled blades, but that's not the point.

The government is using false information to push through an animal rights agenda that will result in the criminalization of a perfectly legal material. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But using bad science to steal billions of value from law abiding citizens is something that should bother everyone.
 
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