No More Blades? Nah.

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jackknife said:
Of course it's a ridiculous idea. Totally!

BUT...it's an idea that the powers that be have been trying to sell to the great unwashed masses for a long time. Just like nobody needs a gun. Look at the countries that have the most draconian knife laws, where you take a chance on carrying even a small SAK. Japan, Denmark, the U.K.. All have a very long history of totalitarian leadership. No matter if it's a king, central committee chairman, shogun, Czar, emperor, none of them want an armed populace. The big high mucky muck wants a nice unarmed peaceful peasant population that they can pull any crap on them they feel like.

I think those Asian and European countries are the end result of a thousand years of social experiment on how to create a population that doesn't think they have any rights. Over the course of a thousand years, those who acted like they had a pair, were either driven out or killed off. Of course a knife is needed several times a day. But people have increased in their non knife carrying practice because of social pressure. I've seen people trying to open packages by stabbing it with a Bic pen to break the tape and cardboard. I've seen them try to saw through with a house or car key. I've seem them poking away with the point of a scissors in a very unsafe way. A knife would have opened the package with ease, but they were not carrying a knife. They weren't carrying a knife because they have been raised to believe that they don't need a knife, and a knife is somehow "bad". So they bludgeon their way through packaging with a Bic pen or house key or other less than optimum tool.

That Victorinox is caving to the political pressure by introducing Swiss Army KNIVES, with no knife blade is disappointing to say the least. That they are marketed to countries with a long history of unarmed peasants is just yet another example of how pervasive this wusification of nations is. I don't know it for a fact, but I believe it to be true, that the ruling powers that be, or even in this country, that there are those who want the unwashed proletariat to be a bunch of groveling peasants on their knees, with a "Yes M'lord, of course M'lord, which cheek of your arse would you like me to kiss this morning."

I like Victorinox as much as the rest of SAK fans, but I hope this is a dismal failure that backfires on them big time. Really, who needs a Swiss Army KNIFE that has no knife blade????

People need to take a stand against this kind of creeping pacifism. It may be too late for Japan and the U.K., but the rest of the world's peasants need to take a stand. After all, its called a SWISS ARMY KNIFE!
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Your dementia about posting the same classic sd rant has been tiresome to read but your delusion is reaching hilariosity with this outburst.
 
jackknife said:
That Victorinox is caving to the political pressure by introducing Swiss Army KNIVES, with no knife blade is disappointing to say the least.
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If the world banned knives, Victorinox would be stupid to keep making knives. That would not caving to anything, that’s just making smart business decisions.

So victorinox makes a couple bladeless multi tools. Who cares?
 
jackknife said:
People need to take a stand against this kind of creeping pacifism. It may be too late for Japan and the U.K., but the rest of the world's peasants need to take a stand. After all, it’s called a SWISS ARMY KNIFE!
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I’m not sure who you’re gonna write the letter to, but I look forward to reading its content and seeing the results.
 
Let's take the temperature down a bit and avoid further personal insults. One warning has been issued.
 
I would certainly buy a couple.. for me, i don't carry a 58 size, but a Tinker size with scissors and full size can opener and cap lifter / screwdriver along with backside tools would be good for my daily uses.
 
I personally don't think victorinox will see the sales they hope to see, but because of the reason(s) they stated for doing this at the outset, they're going to have to eat crow and put up with it, lest the (other) reasons why they are doing this come to light
 
ShaiHulud said:
I personally don't think victorinox will see the sales they hope to see, but because of the reason(s) they stated for doing this at the outset, they're going to have to eat crow and put up with it, lest the (other) reasons why they are doing this come to light
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Give me one other reason Victorinox could be making a bladeless multitool, besides making money.

Can't wait to hear it.
 
Apparently we need more tolerance for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in the world of tools. Victorinox is in the business of supplying tools to individuals, companies and gov't agencies.

Even if this one item isn't everyone's cup of tea, there may be enough of a market to make it worthwhile financially. And if it isn't a big seller,, I really doubt that their global bottom line is going to tank.

I'm a strong 2A supporter who carries daily, but jeez, let's have some perspective here and not swoon because they are attempting to fill an anticipated niche.

Vote with your wallets and at the ballot box.

Let's keep it civil and on topic here or this thread will come to a premature end.
 
ShaiHulud said:
In their article they stated the reason, money making wasn't openly admitted
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I'm sorry, you think a company... that sell products... is making a product for any other reason?

Identify customer need
make product to meet the customer need
If the product meets the needs, it will sell.

All Victorinox has done is identify a market it can't reach with it's multitools because the knife feature may have legal ramifications where some people live.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I'm sorry, you think a company... that sell products... is making a product for any other reason?

Identify customer need
make product to meet the customer need
If the product meets the needs, it will sell.

All Victorinox has done is identify a market it can't reach with it's multitools because the knife feature may have legal ramifications where some people live.
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I know the real reason, but thanks for the concern
 
Blues said:
Even if this one item isn't everyone's cup of tea, there may be enough of a market to make it worthwhile financially. And if it isn't a big seller,, I really doubt that their global bottom line is going to tank.

I'm a strong 2A supporter who carries daily, but jeez, let's have some perspective here and not swoon because they are attempting to fill an anticipated niche.
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Precisely this.

I, for one, hope that Victorinox is successful if only for the selfish reason that I really like their products.
And who knows, maybe a 2 layer 91 mm with scissors instead of the blades is in my future.
My kid's a wiz bang with scissors. Complete, unsupervised independence with a knife is still a couple years off, I think.
 
Woo-wee, some folks get spun up over a multi-million dollar corporation making a product that meets the societal demands of MANY places it sells its products in. It's not Victorinox's job to lobby or educate. Those are to be done at the ballet boxes and in the home. There are a LOT of places on this globe where any edged tool is seen as a weapon. Be angry if you want, but that's just how it is. Victorinox has been around for over a century because they make products that sell. They aren't cutting their production. They are probably actually ramping up production to target these knives in parts of the world where their knives can't be carried and therefore probably aren't being purchased.

It's not a difficult concept that requires anything more than understanding the company as a whole simply stating "I like munny" and marketing a product that sells better in other markets with different rules. The cars that Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc produce in the US do not have the same parts and pieces as they do in Europe or Asia as different countries have different mandates on what is considered road-worthy.

Here's my honest take on it: I carried a Vic Explorer Plus on a trip to Ireland about 15 years ago (last time that i was out of the country and not sitting on a beach at an all inclusive). It was very handy for a lot of different things. One thing I didn't use was the knife. Mostly due to the fact that I was trying to be respectful to how knives and tools are viewed in the country I was a guest in. However, I never NEEDED it. The scissors and screwdrivers were totally fine for my needs. Even my EDC MTs don't see a lot of knife use. Hell, my KNIFE doesn't see a lot of knife use.

I would be totally down to buy a fat-bodied tool kit that crammed all the stuff in there sans the knife just to keep in my travel bag. I check my luggage so I'm not looking to get past TSA, but having a tool that was legal to carry everywhere and offered me more options to think my way out of situation that needed to be fixed would be welcomed. Hell, a SAK of any flavor where the blade is replaced with a package opener would get me through most days, even here in the wild and wooly US of A.
 
Steely_Gunz said:
Woo-wee, some folks get spun up over a multi-million dollar corporation making a product that meets the societal demands of MANY places it sells its products in. It's not Victorinox's job to lobby or educate. Those are to be done at the ballet boxes and in the home. There are a LOT of places on this globe where any edged tool is seen as a weapon. Be angry if you want, but that's just how it is. Victorinox has been around for over a century because they make products that sell. They aren't cutting their production. They are probably actually ramping up production to target these knives in parts of the world where their knives can't be carried and therefore probably aren't being purchased.

It's not a difficult concept that requires anything more than understanding the company as a whole simply stating "I like munny" and marketing a product that sells better in other markets with different rules. The cars that Chevy, Ford, Toyota, etc produce in the US do not have the same parts and pieces as they do in Europe or Asia as different countries have different mandates on what is considered road-worthy.

Here's my honest take on it: I carried a Vic Explorer Plus on a trip to Ireland about 15 years ago (last time that i was out of the country and not sitting on a beach at an all inclusive). It was very handy for a lot of different things. One thing I didn't use was the knife. Mostly due to the fact that I was trying to be respectful to how knives and tools are viewed in the country I was a guest in. However, I never NEEDED it. The scissors and screwdrivers were totally fine for my needs. Even my EDC MTs don't see a lot of knife use. Hell, my KNIFE doesn't see a lot of knife use.

I would be totally down to buy a fat-bodied tool kit that crammed all the stuff in there sans the knife just to keep in my travel bag. I check my luggage so I'm not looking to get past TSA, but having a tool that was legal to carry everywhere and offered me more options to think my way out of situation that needed to be fixed would be welcomed. Hell, a SAK of any flavor where the blade is replaced with a package opener would get me through most days, even here in the wild and wooly US of A.
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Jake you beautiful sumbish.

Thanks for that.
 
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