Off Topic No such thing as a bad/ "evil" knife , if it works !

James, you make a great point!

It is reality that people have perceptions based on some relatively common factors, and other factors we can't know. As such, I stand firm on my position that we all have a responsibility to try and project positive perceptions, rather than inducing fear or panic.

When I first started making knives a few years ago, I carried a little edc fixed blade on my belt. This was back when I was still using eBay blanks. Here is the knife, and note that it is about 6.5 inches overall.

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Third knife I ever made. Horrible geometry! Incomplete edge beveling. But I learned how to make a nicely contoured handle, and after this one I was pretty much addicted, and now finally I make my own blades.


Anyway, I carried it in the office environment I worked in, horizontally on the right side of my belt for left handed cross-draw. I always wear an undershirt (plumber's crack is so undignified), and so my outer shirt was left untucked and hung over the knife, concealing it. One day I was at a manager's desk, and she needed a piece of paper cut, and did not have anything at hand to do it. So I simply reached under my shirt and pulled this little blade out, with the characteristic click of a kydex sheath. She was so startled that she suddenly took the Lord's name in vain, and I felt terrible for having prompted such a reaction out of her.

Was there anything wrong with using this knife to cut the paper for her? No. But since then I have learned that around people I don't know, it is more effective to start by getting their attention and saying "Okay, now I don't want to startle you, so I'm letting you know I will do that for you, with the knife on my belt/in my pocket/around my neck, etc, so there's no need to get jumpy when you see it." Some people might not think that is necessary, but I think every little bit helps towards educating non-knife folks about their practical utility and usefulness, and that includes courtesy, not acting unstable, and yes, avoiding red paint splattered knives and explicitly provocative statements and imagery printed on them.
 
So then what happens when people stop carrying "scary" knives and society starts thinking saks are scary? Are we wrong for carrying those when people get scared? My auntie is legit scared by ANY knife. They ALL look scary to her. Thats why laws are objective, not just based on what you think looks scary or tactical. . But i guess you think we should choose knives based on what other people would think instead of educating people that knives are tools.

And they will do that why? I carry a SAK. Nobody thinks its scary. Maybe I'm using it wrong.

And why haven't you educated your aunt?
 
Very cool, and thats exactly my point! Its how the person uses the knife that should matter. And because you carried it DESPITE peoples possible fear, people got to learn from you that its just a tool.
How one uses a knife is just one factor in the knife carry choice equation. If I needed a knife with an 8" blade every day, would I choose to carry it? That is a reasonable question for consideration. I think I would ask my employer about this before doing it more than a couple times. James Y also carries a SAK all the time by the way.

It does matter how a person uses a knife. But there is a personality and way you carry yourself perception involved here too. If your personality lends itself toward fighting, I doubt many would be comfortable with you even carrying a SAK. But to see you in a store as just another shopper who happened to have a knife on them, it wouldn't matter to me one bit. For the most part, it doesn't matter to me much regardless of the situation as I understand how useful having a knife available in your pocket is.

I was shopping at a store and the store had some sort of shop lifting protection on an item. Their intention was that you ask a sales person to remove the item for you, but I just cut it off with me knife and carried it to the check out with other items.;)
 
Then why, as you proposed, didn't he like a SAK?
I don't have anything against them , but just don't find them at all interesting . It's a matter of taste and personal preference .:)

Maybe Logan felt the same . :confused:
 
Because she, like many, is not rational or open to that. So per that, should i not carry my knives because they scare her for little to no reason?

Well, you are welcome to believe that.

I happen to feel that part of the image problem is our own, and that blindly blaming "sheeple" or "irrationality" or whatever politics one doesn't like is naive, irresponsible, and does nothing to forward our cause.

But I've been saying it for years and we still get folks doing it all the time.
 
I don't have anything against them , but just don't find them at all interesting . It's a matter of taste and personal preference .:)

Maybe Logan felt the same . :confused:
Important point actually. Logan may well find SAKs extremely boring. What knife you choose to carry is a statement about YOU for the most part. But I cut 16 year olds some slack on these kinds of things as many are a bit rebellious against authority at age 16. I know I was, but you settle down.

hey BenchCo Spydermade BenchCo Spydermade I might well ask for a scissors, but I would give a big grin just to make a point we both could share.
 
We can stick our heads in the sand and pretend that the image problem we have is not partially caused by us, or we can just go on whining here when "sheeple" look at us the wrong way when we open a saltine packet at Olive Garden with a CS XXXXL Stabinator.

As for gun owners...I don't know. I haven't mentioned them, its a knife forum. Ask him...
This "image problem" is about people who are misbehaving in public . It has NOTHING to do directly with the type of knife . Many people CC all manner of impressive , scary lethal weaponry without ever causing any public reaction ...because they keep their armament CONCEALED and act normal/respectful for the local social environment .

The problem is rude , aggressive , insane BEHAVIOR ...not the equipment !

Why is this simple truth so difficult to understand ? :confused:
 
The problem is rude , aggressive , insane BEHAVIOR ...not the equipment !

Why is this simple truth so difficult to understand ? :confused:

It's part of the truth. The image presented by certain equipment is the other part, which you have chosen to ignore.

You have said it, people choose knives for a certain aesthetic. You can get an EDC SAK or a karambit probably at many places. Some folks choose the kerambit. If you cannot understand why, or choose not to, what can I say?
 
They certainly can. Just don't kvetch about "sheeple" when someone looks askance at you for whipping it out inappropriately.

Make a choice, take responsibility for it. :thumbsup:
I agree with this 100% . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I've studied and practiced the martial arts for most of my long life . One of the primary lessons they (sometimes literally) beat into students is proper conduct and etiquette , both within the school and even more so ...in public , where you represent the school and reflect upon it's honor . :)

The type idiots your are talking about usually have no such training either formally or from upbringing and life experience . It's very unfortunate , but not the fault of any inanimate object . They'd be that way with no knife at all . :(:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 
I agree with this 100% . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I've studied and practiced the martial arts for most of my long life . One of the primary lessons they (sometimes literally) beat into students is proper conduct and etiquette , both within the school and even more so ...in public , where you represent the school and reflect upon it's honor . :)

The type idiots your are talking about usually have no such training either formally or from upbringing and life experience . It's very unfortunate , but not the fault of any inanimate object . They'd be that way with no knife at all . :(:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Again, you are grasping part of the issue.

Let me try to clarify the simple part you are having difficulty understanding.

Say I'm at the family reunion, and I pull out this to open the onion dip...

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It works. I'm not going to stab anybody with it.

Guess what? Makes me, and you, and all of us, look like either psychos, overcompensators, or adolescent teen boys.

I'm sorry, but that's what the looks are about. It's reinforcing the stereotypes.

If I pulled out no knife at all or a stockman or many, many other knives, or the icepick we were using to break up bags of ice, to open the delicious onion dip? No problem.
 
Again, you are grasping part of the issue.

Let me try to clarify the simple part you are having difficulty understanding.

Say I'm at the family reunion, and I pull out this to open the onion dip...

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It works. I'm not going to stab anybody with it.

Guess what? Makes me, and you, and all of us, look like either psychos, overcompensators, or adolescent teen boys.

I'm sorry, but that's what the looks are about. It's reinforcing the stereotypes.

If I pulled out no knife at all or a stockman or many, many other knives, or the icepick we were using to break up bags of ice, to open the delicious onion dip? No problem.
Ok, but THAT is not the knife the kid used. It was a karambit.
 
BenchCo Spydermade BenchCo Spydermade Hmmm... I think one should choose a knife that fits the situation. If you like SAKs, great; if not there are many other choices. I know some people think SAKs are scary. I have seen their reactions a few times. But they think ANY knife is scary. I can't fix that. What people think with regard to knives can be one factor in choosing to carry a knife. In my state, carrying a sword is legal but I would strongly advise against it in an urban setting... a cop would view it strictly as a weapon and most of us don't need the aggravation that results from such things.

I'm older now. If I were 12 to 16 now, I think I might still carry a SAK as an edc and something else in the woods or along the trail. I believed SAKs were toys when I was 12 and not real knives. I don't think I ever even handled one until I was in my 20's. I have learned just how convenient they are overall. I might carry a Spydie if I were 16 now (something along the lines of a Native or PM3) if I could afford one. I probably would shun the traditional knives out of ignorance as that was the kind of thing I did when I was 16. But they work really well.

How fast I could "deploy" a knife might matter to me at age 16 now. But for me now, it matters little.
:rolleyes: I'm old in body but still young at heart . Or maybe just in my second childhood as my wife insists . :)
 
Marcinek, 100%.

I also would have no problem with any of these for the onion dip:

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And a few of my own:
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But anything bigger than my Millie, and I'd start wondering why the overkill for onion dip - unless I was next to cut up some veggies, or carve the roast...
 
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