Non-knife people worry me.

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A.P.F. said:
Well done, Curtis! This is worth a re-post.
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Respectfully, it is if you appreciate ludicrous false equivalency over relevant discussion. This is the sort of nonsense that routinely makes the gun manufacturer shills at the NRA look so foolish; e.g., "driving fatalities are far more numerous than shooting fatalities. Should we ban cars?" (I'm a gun owner, BTW.)
 
no one was harmed, no babies cried, not even the dog farted, but the non-knife cousin and her friend were both clearly shocked that people carried such items on their person as she stated "I have a lot to learn about the South".
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This so much like the anti-gun mentality it's not even funny.
 
Sounds like the same kind of people that think more gun laws are going to solve the problem.
 
Rick said:
Respectfully, it is if you appreciate ludicrous false equivalency over relevant discussion. This is the sort of nonsense that routinely makes the gun manufacturer shills at the NRA look so foolish; e.g., "driving fatalities are far more numerous than shooting fatalities. Should we ban cars?" (I'm a gun owner, BTW.)
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I am not a gun owner but I do support the right to bear arms in reasonable circumstances.
Thanks for the touch of reason, it's refreshing to see.
 
killgar said:
I'd say, if you are visiting with family and someone freaks-out over your personal knife, invite them into the kitchen, pull out the biggest kitchen knives there, put them on the counter next to your knife, and ask them what makes your knife scarier than the kitchen knives. Perhaps if they are confronted by their blatant irrationality with visual aides they will come to their senses and realize how silly their fears really are.
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Yep, blatant irrationality is what drives gun and knife grabbers.
 
Luis G. said:
This is so misconstrued it really isn't funny.
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Luis G. said:
Those are not statistics that one can conclude anything from.

I am unsure this is the attitude nor misconstrued information that will help people understand that knives are tools, and weapons at the same time. Personally if someone handed me a flyer with that information, it would only worsen my opinion of their argument, and of that person. Not to mention I would likely call the police to inform them of a person bothering others in public.
"herp-derp Sheeple"... sounds like a familiar ideology that has failed time and time again, and has only caused more pain and suffering than not.
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Yes, the statistics are very real. Can you make a fully informed conclusion from them? Probably, not. Merely that 200,000 people die from medical mistakes every year and 2,000 die from being cut or stabbed(not necessarily from knives). The post was a bit sarcastic (I should have learned by now,Sarcasm doesn't translate through text) and meant to be a little funny. I just think those statistics are very ironic. Medical mistakes are one of highest causes of death every year.
 
Medical treatment is also the leading cause of life, from child birth to allergies, to ER, to gastric bipasses, open heart surgery, synthesizing cures, to to a simple but deadly cold to an infant.
You cannot even begin to collect a number of successful medical treatments, and surgeries.
Without this number, the figure of 200,000 deaths a year may seem insane but without science (and eventually medical treatments/medicine/etc) we would likely be seeing a exponential rise deaths related to lack of treatment.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in person or in text when you bring up that type of analogy. (which there isn't any irony in).

Anyways early merry christmas!
 
singularity35 said:
Yep, blatant irrationality is what drives gun and knife grabbers.
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Unfortunately, it's not a simple black and white binary issue. The "grabbers" as you call 'em see statistics like...

"Since the assassinations of Senator Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, more than a million Americans have been killed by guns in the U.S. That's more than the total number of U.S. combat deaths in all the wars in American history."

...and have a very rational fear of being added to the list of casualties. They see the 2nd Amendment as hopelessly anachronistic--again, I own a few guns (and over a hundred knives) but I'm certainly not a member of any militia, well-regulated or otherwise--and gun/knife owners as sociopath nutjobs (in many cases *cough*Ted Nugent, etc.*cough* I tend to agree). Hell, just look at Charlie Mike ;):D. These people are no less rational than the fetishists and "preppers" with a room full of so-called assault rifles.

Like it or not, we have a real problem with mentally ill individuals using readily available weapons on innocents in this country, and it's only going to get worse. I think it's important for us as gun and knife owners to help work the problem responsibly instead of making it worse with finger-pointing and no-compromise posturing. OP aside, just because we have the right to flash open a large "tactical" knife in a crowded room doesn't mean that it's the rational or responsible thing to do. Only a fool spooks the herd without good cause.
 
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Rick said:
Unfortunately, it's not a simple black and white binary issue. The "grabbers" as you call 'em see statistics like...

"Since the assassinations of Senator Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, more than a million Americans have been killed by guns in the U.S. That's more than the total number of U.S. combat deaths in all the wars in American history."
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Read that sentence again. Notice that it does not define how or why they died via firearm. Presumably, much of this were legitimate police shootings or civilian's acting in self-defense. Another good chunk was probably criminal on criminal violence. A small number were hunting, or other fireams related accidents. Your risk of being shot, presuming you are an average law-abiding citizen, is very small, otherwise they would have focused on that number rather than obscuring it in the vast mass of shootings. Also, you are looking at a total 44 year span, and since it is the most recent span, a dispreportunate representation that measures the U.S. at its highest ever level of population. 1M/300M/44 years is a small number, and the real criminal killing innocent citizen number which is your expressed concern, is far smaller than that.

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Let me start by saying I live in Texas- where guns and knives are everywhere. However, I was at a job interview last year and the guy interviewing me made me go put my knife in the car before we started. The knife was a spyderco ladybug on my keys!
 
Non knife people, gun people feel folks like us are just asking to escalate a situation to where someone is going to get killed. Both of these are tools, and if known how to use can enhance your life. I live out in the country, not much to do out here without those things, city folks have all the fancy YMCA, swimming pools, rec centers, and other government funded activities that we just don't have out here. We hunt, fish, hike, walk, work in the yard, target shoot, all these activities I think of myself no need for Uncle Sam to fund anything.
 
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, Not2sharp. I have no idea whether the statistic posted above is accurate or not--sounds exaggerated to me--but I posted it to show that the anti-gun people see things like that on a regular basis and understandably want stronger controls as a result. IMO, calling them irrational is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Perception often trumps reality, but the recent Sandy Hook Elementary School murders (among many others) were no illusion.

I feel strongly both ways :rolleyes:. I support our right to bear arms, but there are far too many nut cases out there who are armed to the teeth with high-capacity military firearms. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to legislate our way out of this problem without creating a huge black market demand--the war on drugs and prohibition before it do/did nothing useful--and the NRA's dipshit "solutions" only exacerbate a bad situation. It's almost impossible to close Pandora's Box once that sucker is opened.
 
Being slightly off-topic, I agree with what Rick is saying. There is a lot of stupidity and misinformation coming from both sides of the gun control debate. If I'm being completely honest I don't have any great reasons for (one example) wanting to allow people to carry assault rifles in their cars, but I still support it knowing full well it could be dangerous to public safety, which makes many people upset at my apparent disregard for human life.
 
Rick said:
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, Not2sharp. I have no idea whether the statistic posted above is accurate or not--sounds exaggerated to me--but I posted it to show that the anti-gun people see things like that on a regular basis and understandably want stronger controls as a result. IMO, calling them irrational is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Perception often trumps reality, but the recent Sandy Hook Elementary School murders (among many others) were no illusion.

I feel strongly both ways :rolleyes:. I support our right to bear arms, but there are far too many nut cases out there who are armed to the teeth with high-capacity military firearms. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be able to legislate our way out of this problem without creating a huge black market demand--the war on drugs and prohibition before it do/did nothing useful--and the NRA's dipshit "solutions" only exacerbate a bad situation. It's almost impossible to close Pandora's Box once that sucker is opened.
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I am with you there, I strongly support the right to bear arms.

The statistic is nothing more than an estimated guess.

Until the ATF and CDC (which did research on gun related deaths, which included information regarding gun control) both are allowed to release or research gun related deaths (weapons used, calibers, ammunition spent, where, why how), most gun/death statistics are taken from anecdotal sources (newspapers, publishing, etc) and are not accurate. Many say gun control does nothing for a society in terms of violent crimes with firearms involved, but no one knows for sure since all factual knowledge has been tucked away under the Tiahrt amendment and an additional budgetary amendment against the CDC, preventing it from researching ANYTHING regarding gun control.
Tiarht accomplished this by introducing legislation to cut funding to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (and the CDC) for releasing even aggregate statistics about, for example, assault rifles used in crimes.
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The Tiahrt amendment was brought forth by Todd Tiahrt, and started/lobbied by the NRA.
The obvious reason behind this were impart by two legislations passed: The Automatic firearms ban, and the Assault rifle ban. When companies like Bushmaster (and others) realized they could sell the AR 15 variants by changing out everything except the barrel, they began to sell what they marketed as "assault rifles" to the public until the Assault Rifle ban. The reason for this change in weapons manufacturers to deal with civilians is partly due to the decreased sales.

When anti-gun supporters gathered in Congress, they could easily provide statistics and factual information (provided by the ATF) regarding these "assault rifles", information which negated all arguments by the NRA and gun supporters.
In response, the NRA had Todd Tiarht slip in an amendment prohibiting ATF from publishing or releasing statistics. Later on the CDC conducted it's own research regarding gun deaths (same way the ATF did), and once again legislation was passed.

Rick,
So what does this leave us with? No way for either gun supporters, or anti gun supporters to have a civil, logic driven, factual, and adult conversation regarding gun control. NRA's plan all along.
 
killgar said:
I'd say, if you are visiting with family and someone freaks-out over your personal knife, invite them into the kitchen, pull out the biggest kitchen knives there, put them on the counter next to your knife, and ask them what makes your knife scarier than the kitchen knives. Perhaps if they are confronted by their blatant irrationality with visual aides they will come to their senses and realize how silly their fears really are.
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This is a very good solution.
 
Luis G. said:
Medical treatment is also the leading cause of life, from child birth to allergies, to ER, to gastric bipasses, open heart surgery, synthesizing cures, to to a simple but deadly cold to an infant.
You cannot even begin to collect a number of successful medical treatments, and surgeries.
Without this number, the figure of 200,000 deaths a year may seem insane but without science (and eventually medical treatments/medicine/etc) we would likely be seeing a exponential rise deaths related to lack of treatment.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in person or in text when you bring up that type of analogy. (which there isn't any irony in).

Anyways early merry christmas!
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Lets put it this way.

2,000 knife deaths a year and millions of responsible knife owners a year not causing any harm with said knives.
200,000 medicine-related deaths a year and millions of helpful medicine cases a year.

Each one has millions of positive cases, but modern medicine has 200x as many bad cases happening as knives do.

Marc123 said:
Fear of inanimate objects is a sign of mental retardation.
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You know what... I might actually say that next time someone who knows me freaks out over my knife. Either they're scared of me, which is insulting, or they're scared of the knife, which is stupid.
 
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