Yeah, I think there's about as many reports of successfully breaking glass, as there are of breaking back spacers, thanks for the reassurance.
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Noooo way. No freaking frickah frakin effin way man. Broken backspacer??????
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Yeah, I think there's about as many reports of successfully breaking glass, as there are of breaking back spacers, thanks for the reassurance.
I'm not rationaiizing anything or defending BM in any way. The weak backspacer is clearly a flaw in the design, and one that has been exposed by people in this thread.
But I'm not prepared to agree that it's a terrible hard use knife. There are lots of peole using them hard every day and having no issues. I have used mine hard on wood, rope, thick cardboard, carpet, etc and never once did I have an issue with the knife. I understand that you would like a knife that is able to handle being dropped, but don't confuse that extra bit of security for the primary task of the knife. The primary tak of any knife, whether it be "hard use" or not, is cutting. As long as the blade, lock, and everything else required for cutting are free of design flaws, then there is no way to claim the knife is a bad hard use knife. "Dropping" is not in the job description, regardless of how much we all would like for it to be able to handle it just in case.
I too would like for BM to fix the design flaw. But until then I'll just keep using it hard and avoid dropping it (like I would with any knife). The good news is that the g10 makes it pretty easy to hold onto
But I'm not prepared to agree that it's a terrible hard use knife. There are lots of peole using them hard every day and having no issues. I have used mine hard on wood, rope, thick cardboard, carpet, etc and never once did I have an issue with the knife. I understand that you would like a knife that is able to handle being dropped, but don't confuse that extra bit of security for the primary task of the knife. The primary tak of any knife, whether it be "hard use" or not, is cutting. As long as the blade, lock, and everything else required for cutting are free of design flaws, then there is no way to claim the knife is a bad hard use knife. "Dropping" is not in the job description, regardless of how much we all would like for it to be able to handle it just in case.
I too would like for BM to fix the design flaw. But until then I'll just keep using it hard and avoid dropping it (like I would with any knife). The good news is that the g10 makes it pretty easy to hold onto
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So every time a glass breaker breaks glass you expect a report?
Seems to me that's hardly ever the case.
I've seen pictures of Sebenzas with broken blades from being dropped. Very rare, though. Still a great hard use knife.
I've heard of Emerson liner locks failing with minimal pressure. Very rare, though. Still a great hard use knife.
I've personally owned Striders with edges that chipped out from light use. Very rare, though. Still a great hard use knife.
Again: Broken backspacers on a Contego are very rare, not epidemic. The Contego is a very tough, hard use knife. It has proven such time and again; and many of these tests have been documented online. All hard use production knives have a few examples of failures, or improper heat treats, or things that slip past QA. As long as these issues are rare, the knife can still be a great hard use knife, as the Contego is.
Comedy gold.
Those examples were about backspacers/standoffs. Not blades or locks.
But since you want to go there, edges chipping out is not the same as a structural component of the knife breaking.
If a blade shatters from being dropped a short height, then I wouldn't say the knife it's attached to is suitable for hard use.
If a lock fails from minimal pressure, then I wouldn't say the knife it's attached to is suitable for hard use.
That doesn't mean they're not good knives. It also doesn't necessarily mean that all of them aren't capable of hard use. But to recommend them for hard use in light of these documented failures is tricky.
If your particular knife doesn't have issues, then that knife is good to go. But the success of your particular knife does not discount other reported failures, especially if those failures are not uncommon.
Thanks. It's funny because it is true. It's physics.
Most Contegos won't, either. Which is the two knives is overall better for hard use? That's up for debate. but documented testing has shown that the Contego is one of the top hard use knives and very capable of taking very hard use. This remains true despite the rare occurrence of broken backspacers on some individual knives. The Gayle Bradley is a great knife, but it has a liner lock, which (as a lock design) has FAR more documented issues overall than the Contego does.
Blades and locks are FAR more important for a hard use knife than a backspacer is.
Yes, and the vast majority of Contegos don't have this issue and are, in fact, "good to go". That's exactly my point. Just as most Emersons, Striders etc... are also "good to go" despite their documented problems with certain individual knives.
Documented broken Contego backspaces are not just uncommon, they are downright rare. That doesn't mean it isn't an issue; it just isn't a very big one. And it is an issue that is being blown out of proportion.
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I've dropped my contego many times, not even making a scratch on it. I have used the glass breaker many times without issue. One thing I can say about BM products is they are backed 100% by their company. I have screwed up a couple because of stupidity and BM still blows my mind by taking care of me.
Yes, the 810 seems to have had a batch of poorly made backspacers, but BM will replace them and I'd bet money it won't happen again.
Yes, the 810 seems to have had a batch of poorly made backspacers, but BM will replace them and I'd bet money it won't happen again.
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Since you are keen on "documented failures", exactly how many broken back spacers vs knives in use are we talking about?
So far I've seen one picture and a couple join in with "yeah, mine too"...
I would hardly qualify that as being any sort of documented evidence at all.
One could say the same thing of your beloved Sebenza if they were to believe some of the BS troll threads that pop up from time to time in that forum.
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That is a great point. I did not mean for my post to seem anti Benchmade, just to point out that knives get dropped.
If I had one of of these runs, I would ask for a new back spacer, or get an aftermarket!
My beloved Sebenza... good one. That's not why I have BB quoted in my signature.
Consider that a great majority of those knives don't get used hard enough to see issues. This is true of many models of "hard use" knives.
Consider also that people on the forums represent only a portion of owners of any particular knife.
8-9 reported instances of a knife component having a problem should be enough for any reasonable person to be wary of that component on that particular knife if they're planning on using the knife hard. As before, if all you do with your knife is play with it and slice paper, then maybe it isn't as big an issue.
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So in other words you are not willing to answer my question.
The comments I gave were in response to your question. If you want to be petty go ahead.
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And if you want to be yet another in a long line of trolls go ahead, because your evasive non answer is as worthless as the rest of your comments as well as your "documented failures".
I was not evading your question. Questions like that can't be answered because nobody knows "exactly how many" of anything happens, and you know that. Why don't I ask you exactly how many back spacers do you know of that definitely don't have the cracking problem? Stupid question to expect a numerical or percentage answer to, right?
There could be hundreds of Contego backspacers that will break if impacted, but don't because their owners only own them to flick and post pictures of.
It could also be true that every single knife apart from the ones that were reported to have backspacer issues is totally fine.
But since people are newly discovering that their backspacer cracks when the knife is dropped or impacted, as this thread is testament to, that leads me to believe that the likelihood is high that there are other faulty backspacers out there.
Why don't I accuse you of being a troll since you didn't offer any discussion on what I had to say? It's only trolling when you feel like others are evading you, not when you evade others, right?
So in other words you are not willing to answer my question.
If you want to be yet another in a long line of trolls go ahead, because your evasive non answer is as worthless as the rest of your comments.
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Updated from my post# 27 to include reports made in this thread:
In 2013 4 reports of GB failure.
2014 no reports of breakage
2015 3 reports of GB failure and 1 repeat report from the last thread.
Total of 7 reports spanning 2 years.
Like I said, hardly epidemic..
In 2013 4 reports of GB failure.
2014 no reports of breakage
2015 3 reports of GB failure and 1 repeat report from the last thread.
Total of 7 reports spanning 2 years.
Like I said, hardly epidemic..
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So true.
A couple gets repeated as a few, a few gets repeated as several, gets repeated again and next thing you know it's epidemic...