I agree, it to me seemed very dismissive. and knives ship free is great. i talked to wendy, told her how everything, and she said to send it in. I know im lucky in that i might get a new one, but at the moment i dont feel to bad. If northwoods wont honor the warranty then i can get a new one and the onld one can get shipeed back to get fixed either way. Not trying to sound rude or anything but i agree with what Kiahs said.
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Northwoods Scagel
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I agree, it to me seemed very dismissive. and knives ship free is great. i talked to wendy, told her how everything, and she said to send it in. I know im lucky in that i might get a new one, but at the moment i dont feel to bad. If northwoods wont honor the warranty then i can get a new one and the onld one can get shipeed back to get fixed either way. Not trying to sound rude or anything but i agree with what Kiahs said.
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Finally got around to checking my SAK. My SAK is an old Wenger that I bought originally new in the box from Eddie Bauer Sports in Tulsa at the mall at Eastland park for over $100 at the time. (which by the way, had to be back in 1993-94 when I won a sales contest selling dental equipment and was awarded a Mont Blanc Pen and over $500 worth of gift certificates to EB store for first place) Anyway, among other things I bought a folder I'd never have spent my own money on because I felt like I had enough sweat shirts and jeans and had money left. Didn't see the knives till I'd already picked out jeans and if the wife had not been there prodding me I'd have ended up with more than one knife and channged my mind on the pants. 
Its the only SAK I've owned and kept let alone carried and used, and the only one I have at this time. I've had a few traded to me and they never ended up keepers so anyway, the far side liners under the scales on each side of this SAK attract a magnet and are obviously steel. The three center liners are obviously aluminum and you can tell that from looking at them but they also do not attract the magnet. The handles Dirk put on it do not come off and they are fiddleback maple so I'm not trying to get them off but for fear I'll damage them. I am fairly sure all the pins were silver when I lost the original read plastic scales but if I can find out for sure I will. I don't think they are aluminum on this folder but perhaps they were brass but I don't recall that. I did carry this knife for a long time with no scales on it at all. I just don't remember any brass on it.
By the way, EB only sold top shelf stuff at the time when I bought this knife and this was one of the lesser expensive knives they had in the case. These were at the time exclusives made just for EB also and I've never seen another just like it with the same tools so it may be that mine was worth the extra money and was made to their specs or something. I can't say. I have not been able to reach Dirk to find out if he replaced the liners when he put the wood scales on the folder, for the price I can't imagine that he did that but if I hear from him I'll post his info.
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Its the only SAK I've owned and kept let alone carried and used, and the only one I have at this time. I've had a few traded to me and they never ended up keepers so anyway, the far side liners under the scales on each side of this SAK attract a magnet and are obviously steel. The three center liners are obviously aluminum and you can tell that from looking at them but they also do not attract the magnet. The handles Dirk put on it do not come off and they are fiddleback maple so I'm not trying to get them off but for fear I'll damage them. I am fairly sure all the pins were silver when I lost the original read plastic scales but if I can find out for sure I will. I don't think they are aluminum on this folder but perhaps they were brass but I don't recall that. I did carry this knife for a long time with no scales on it at all. I just don't remember any brass on it.
By the way, EB only sold top shelf stuff at the time when I bought this knife and this was one of the lesser expensive knives they had in the case. These were at the time exclusives made just for EB also and I've never seen another just like it with the same tools so it may be that mine was worth the extra money and was made to their specs or something. I can't say. I have not been able to reach Dirk to find out if he replaced the liners when he put the wood scales on the folder, for the price I can't imagine that he did that but if I hear from him I'll post his info.
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Only the ones after the mod by Dirk unfortunately. They sold some nice watches also when I bought the knife. I got one of those too for my son. They changed the jeans after a few years and I quit buying them. Then they stopped carrying the knives. I think they still carry watches though.
The main blade locks open on mine and I had not seen that before on a SAK so I thought that was unique also. Its been a good knife. Everyone says the Vics are better but this Wenger is the only one I've ever kept. I like the serrated scissors and the spring on the scissors better on the Wenger personally.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554922
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The main blade locks open on mine and I had not seen that before on a SAK so I thought that was unique also. Its been a good knife. Everyone says the Vics are better but this Wenger is the only one I've ever kept. I like the serrated scissors and the spring on the scissors better on the Wenger personally.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554922
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Some facts about Northwoods:
1. Dave of Northwoods can readily use the internet, they have a forum on another bulletin board. He posts there. His failure to post here reflects quite badly upon the company.
2. There is no warranty with their knives or one on their website when I bought mine two years ago. It was caveat emptor. Lets see the Northwoods warranty that states bolsterless knives are not covered. I'll bet it doesn't exist. They tried to fleece a 20 yo new collector.
3. I have stropped many bolsterless knives and it doesn't make a difference. Any knife that gets loose do to being sharpened on a Sharpmaker, whether stropped soft or hard, ain't worth the fancy box it came in.
4. My bolsterless Northwoods stag scagel repro has been beat hard, professionally reground, used to pry, and does not have any play side by side or up and down. The nasty gaps between the liners and spring have remained the same size. Ray Kirk, Jerry Van Eizenga (owner and seller of the Scagell plans that one of the Northwoods is base on), PG Tomes and more all make these scagel style bolsterless knives and have no problem with blade play.
After I was disappointed, I tried to find out about Northwood's knives, who makes them, who makes their parts, etc. Knife World had an article, and many of the internet savants had strong opinions. Some people were sure the parts were made by Queen, others say some parts are made by Queen, some Northwoods. Some said the knives were assembled in Michigan, some said only the fixed blades, others said folders were partially assembled by Queen. A Nortwoods rep online said it depends upon the knife and was non-commital. All have nice boxes. The Scagels are supposed to be based upon a real scagel knive, but they never show the original either in their print adds, website or on their forums. Odd isn't it.
However, that's all speculation, all I know for sure is they sell a lot of D2 folders that look like Queen blades, but the Scagel line looks like nothing like Queen. Collectors like them and some of the hot ones (e.g. ebony, stag, etc.) go quickly so you never get to see one at a show. I came to the conclusion that the company was formed to make money from collectors, you know, like the Franklin mint. They are not selling knives, but collectibles. Without a written warranty...
Caveat emptor.
1. Dave of Northwoods can readily use the internet, they have a forum on another bulletin board. He posts there. His failure to post here reflects quite badly upon the company.
2. There is no warranty with their knives or one on their website when I bought mine two years ago. It was caveat emptor. Lets see the Northwoods warranty that states bolsterless knives are not covered. I'll bet it doesn't exist. They tried to fleece a 20 yo new collector.
3. I have stropped many bolsterless knives and it doesn't make a difference. Any knife that gets loose do to being sharpened on a Sharpmaker, whether stropped soft or hard, ain't worth the fancy box it came in.
4. My bolsterless Northwoods stag scagel repro has been beat hard, professionally reground, used to pry, and does not have any play side by side or up and down. The nasty gaps between the liners and spring have remained the same size. Ray Kirk, Jerry Van Eizenga (owner and seller of the Scagell plans that one of the Northwoods is base on), PG Tomes and more all make these scagel style bolsterless knives and have no problem with blade play.
After I was disappointed, I tried to find out about Northwood's knives, who makes them, who makes their parts, etc. Knife World had an article, and many of the internet savants had strong opinions. Some people were sure the parts were made by Queen, others say some parts are made by Queen, some Northwoods. Some said the knives were assembled in Michigan, some said only the fixed blades, others said folders were partially assembled by Queen. A Nortwoods rep online said it depends upon the knife and was non-commital. All have nice boxes. The Scagels are supposed to be based upon a real scagel knive, but they never show the original either in their print adds, website or on their forums. Odd isn't it.
However, that's all speculation, all I know for sure is they sell a lot of D2 folders that look like Queen blades, but the Scagel line looks like nothing like Queen. Collectors like them and some of the hot ones (e.g. ebony, stag, etc.) go quickly so you never get to see one at a show. I came to the conclusion that the company was formed to make money from collectors, you know, like the Franklin mint. They are not selling knives, but collectibles. Without a written warranty...
Caveat emptor.
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I'll grant you on a slippie or lockback that the head of the pins is peened on there should be little movement laterally from use but it doesn't mean it can't happen. It can and it can be attributed to the materials used as well as type of uses its been through combined with time among other things. I've seen it and fixed knives that way many times. Knives that have polished flush heads on all the pins where the pin is the same diameter the whole way across the body of the folder from the pivot all the way back are a different story. If you think you can't develop blade play from these attributed to use think again. It happens all the time. Its even been posted on this and other forums from members experiencing it. I get referals from Kabar and others in the industry weekly on those types of symptoms by the way.
When I get those knives to rebuild from members here or other non member knife users where the knife is one that has no peening or head spinning involved on the heads of the pins all it takes to pop them apart is a flat head screw driver and a simply twist of the wrist and the whole thing spreads apart and pops right open usually with surprising ease. Arguing over who is at fault when it can happen, has happened and will happen again doesn't change the fact that it happens. This can happen from use on a fine knife and it can happen from something being wrong in either the building of it or the materials also.
However, I'll give you the question mark on that folder that started this thread. As I said earlier it is iffy since it is a new folder. It should not show up on the first use unless something is wrong but again we don't know how much pressure was really applied, or if the head was not peened enough at the factory on the pivot, or if it was overpeened causing a hair line fracture on the stag that went unnoticed or if the lateral pressure caused that fracture from stropping or what is going on. We really don't know. All we can do is look at it from pics, read the one side of the story and speculate which is all you are doing and all I'm doing.
Dave has a similar issue like another well respected person that rarely posts on forums and its that he can't type that well or convey his meaning as he'd like in words when writing. Dave told me he 'pecks' and is basically functionally illiterate. He doesn't hide this. He only went to a few grade levels in school. It does keep him from posting a lot more than what he can peck in a few quick lines that he knows how to say and get across. If you want the best way to communicate with ole Dave call him up. Expecting him to get into detail on a forum about an issue this hot and detailed is not something you'll see come to pass I don't think. Its not something I hold against him anymore than I do Paul Bos for not saying much more than brief statements due to his own feelings of being uncomfortable trying to spell things he doesn't know how to spell. I don't agree with holding that against him even if he could sign on and post here. He said he has not been able to sign on to BF's for sometime. He doesn't know why. He did try though.
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When I get those knives to rebuild from members here or other non member knife users where the knife is one that has no peening or head spinning involved on the heads of the pins all it takes to pop them apart is a flat head screw driver and a simply twist of the wrist and the whole thing spreads apart and pops right open usually with surprising ease. Arguing over who is at fault when it can happen, has happened and will happen again doesn't change the fact that it happens. This can happen from use on a fine knife and it can happen from something being wrong in either the building of it or the materials also.
However, I'll give you the question mark on that folder that started this thread. As I said earlier it is iffy since it is a new folder. It should not show up on the first use unless something is wrong but again we don't know how much pressure was really applied, or if the head was not peened enough at the factory on the pivot, or if it was overpeened causing a hair line fracture on the stag that went unnoticed or if the lateral pressure caused that fracture from stropping or what is going on. We really don't know. All we can do is look at it from pics, read the one side of the story and speculate which is all you are doing and all I'm doing.
Dave has a similar issue like another well respected person that rarely posts on forums and its that he can't type that well or convey his meaning as he'd like in words when writing. Dave told me he 'pecks' and is basically functionally illiterate. He doesn't hide this. He only went to a few grade levels in school. It does keep him from posting a lot more than what he can peck in a few quick lines that he knows how to say and get across. If you want the best way to communicate with ole Dave call him up. Expecting him to get into detail on a forum about an issue this hot and detailed is not something you'll see come to pass I don't think. Its not something I hold against him anymore than I do Paul Bos for not saying much more than brief statements due to his own feelings of being uncomfortable trying to spell things he doesn't know how to spell. I don't agree with holding that against him even if he could sign on and post here. He said he has not been able to sign on to BF's for sometime. He doesn't know why. He did try though.
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