Noss Hog will be testing a basic 9

Guyon said:
Well, Jerry has basically said as much, at least in terms of prying. I don't remember the exact threads offhand, but I do remember at least a couple where this idea came up. I do remember that when the bony ADs came out, there was some explicit language about the knives being slicers, not pryers. The other thread I'm remembering had to do with thickness and a rationale for not making one particular model too thin. Maybe someone else can help me out with a link.

Anyway, it's just common sense. If you want to snap a knife by putting your weight on it, you're going to have better luck with a thinner blade.

If I want a knife for supporting my weight or for digging a ditch, I'll go with the .320 stuff, or maybe a nice .340+ MOASH. If I want to slice tomatoes, maybe not so much...
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All true but some want to see how INFI, and other steels, hold up in the same tests at the same thicknesses. For instance, could the Chris Reeve
knife that Noss recently tested hold up to the same abuse as the FFBM if it were as thick. I think not but that's where some of the haters take issue. At least that is how it seems.

Personally Noss's tests prove more than just the toughness of INFI but also the toughness of Jerry's designs. ;)
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
All true but some want to see how INFI, and other steels, hold up in the same tests at the same thicknesses. For instance, could the Chris Reeve
knife that Noss recently tested hold up to the same abuse as the FFBM if it were as thick. I think not but that's where some of the haters take issue. At least that is how it seems.
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I see what you mean now, Tyrkon. So you'd like to see some Busses put through the ringer that are comparable in thickness to other brands/models that noss4 has destroyed?
 
Even just a currently available model with a 1/4" thickness would be good but of course if a 3/16" stock surpasses expectations then what would people say? I know most will turn from claiming the blade stock as a reason for the results to blaming Noss' methods for being flawed. Some will always have something negative to say regardless of how positive the results are and what caution was taken to ensure an honest test result. However, many others will embrace the results. Finally, obviously, Jerry doesn't need to have these tests done to sell blades or feed his ego as I'm sure he's tested the hell out of these blades repeatedly. These tests would be for pure entertainment and to feed our egos for having good taste and sound judgement. At least that is how I see it.
 
I kinda like it when someone else tests their knives to destruction. We get to see how tough they really are and then benefit as their reputation spreads. I can't imagine anyone complaining of knives in their current stash increasing in value. So if I want a basic 9, I had better be prepared to pay for it.:D
 
Guyon said:
I see what you mean now, Tyrkon. So you'd like to see some Busses put through the ringer that are comparable in thickness to other brands/models that noss4 has destroyed?
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Not really. well at least not for my sake. I have tested many Busse knives, as have you, and have my answers. :thumbup: But I am just saying that it seems like people, especially those that are anti-Busse, seems to always credit the strength of Jerry's knives more with thickness and less with the steel, heat treat, and design. So while I don't need to see any more Busse knives destroyed I think that might settle a few things. But then again the anti-Busse crowd will just come up with another reason. :rolleyes: More for us then. :D
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Not really. well at least not for my sake. I have tested many Busse knives, as have you, and have my answers. :thumbup: But I am just saying that it seems like people, especially those that are anti-Busse, seems to always credit the strength of Jerry's knives more with thickness and less with the steel, heat treat, and design. So while I don't need to see any more Busse knives destroyed I think that might settle a few things. But then again they anti-Busse crowd will just come up with another reason. :rolleyes:
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I'm starting to get to the point that I could care less about the anti-Busse crowd. Seriously. I was talking with some folks at Blade, and the subject of all the "drama" among knife collectors/users came up. It was a conversation that made me think a bit more deeply about the subject.

I know I've defended Busse knives from the "sharpened pry bar" haters here on BFC plenty of times. But the more I think about it, more haters just means that the knives will be a little bit easier for me to get ahold of. :p

Same applies to noss4 and his "tests." Lots of surrounding drama that, when you get down to it, doesn't really mean much. I wish him well in his endeavors though I'll never be as on board as other folks.
 
Guyon said:
I'm starting to get to the point that I could care less about the anti-Busse crowd. Seriously. I was talking with some folks at Blade, and the subject of all the "drama" among knife collectors/users came up. It was a conversation that made me think a bit more deeply about the subject.

I know I've defended Busse knives from the "sharpened pry bar" haters here on BFC plenty of times. But the more I think about it, more haters just means that the knives will be a little bit easier for me to get ahold of. :p

Same applies to noss4 and his "tests." Lots of surrounding drama that, when you get down to it, doesn't really mean much. I wish him well in his endeavors though I'll never be as on board as other folks.
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Well said. I've learned a lot on this Busse forum but then again I consider myself open to learning new things.
 
Nothing wrong with sharpened prybars. ;) The anti-Busse crowd has become more of an entertainment factor for me nowadays. And no matter how many tests we see that show the attributes of Jerry's knives there will always be the conspiracy theorists.

I'd like to see more field tests from Noss w/o the destruction at the end. Side by side tests (chopping, skinning, slicing, batonning, ergonomics, wear resistance, etc...) of various knives from various companies/makers would be nice to see.
 
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Maybe someone here who wants that Basic 9 could offer up a more modern Busse replacement knife in it's place...you know, save the old girl from the wreckin' yard...
 
I think that would be good TL. Maybe we can set something up. Of course we'd have to set the edges as close as possible to each other for all the knives used but why not use blades people most often use for those tasks. You know the production blades that most people use or at leat competitors in the same quality/price range (Not customs though).
 
Murdok72605 said:
I think that would be good TL. Maybe we can set something up. Of course we'd have to set the edges as close as possible to each other for all the knives used but why not use blades people most often use for those tasks. You know the production blades that most people use or at leat competitors in the same quality/price range (Not customs though).
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Good ideas. Plus the knives could also simply be tested as they come form the factory. All knives can be pimped but how do they perform stock. Just another thought.
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Good ideas. Plus the knives could also simply be tested as they come form the factory. All knives can be pimped but how do they perform stock. Just another thought.
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True. I think that's a great idea. I'd be interested to see the competitors and how they all stack up.
 
Guys, Will sent me the knife for testing. That he wants to see tested. There will always be another test down the road. I'm down for a thinner one also but the basic 9 will be next.
 
Guyon said:
You're too late. Tony G got on a Basic kick a while back. :p
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Well since this photo I have added a few:D... a nice B5 and a second B4:thumbup::cool:

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noss4 said:
Guys, Will sent me the knife for testing. That he wants to see tested. There will always be another test down the road. I'm down for a thinner one also but the basic 9 will be next.
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And the thread is suddenly brought back on topic. :p We know you will give the Basic 9 a good beating Noss. It's just hard to see such an awesome blade destroyed. :eek: Go get'em Noss. :thumbup:
 
Sometimes we have to make sacrifices to find answers. Will has some questions he wants answered. Thumbs up to Will :thumbup: for making the sacrifice.
 
there are lots and lots and lots and lots of basics out there. one less really is not going to put a dent in the quantity. I'd say you might have to do more foot work to get ahold of one - but you won't. it's not one of the hatchets. it's not a one of three varient. it's not a one of a kind. it's one of the larger production run knives busse has produced.

as far as I'm concerned, I'd like to see one of every major type of knife destroyed for public viewing from every major company. for busse that means:

one of the basic line for the mod-infi
taliwacker for the sr101 (or a swamp rat in it's place)
skeleton key/culti
NICK
active duty/lms
batac/sjtac/HR/sfno
sh/fbm
american kensai/ruck

certainly you can extrapolate whats gonna happen to similar models from larger groupings, like a cultie, sjtac, kensai as your full range of test models - but there are literally thousands of each of these knives produced as long as they are in one of the more recent production runs, and some in the older runs that lasted years like the ergo series. Don't think of these knives as "a knife I could have", think of them as 1 out of a whole crap load of the same knife.
 
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Will York,

Your The Man.

Remember the basic #9 is both thinner and lacks the depth of Belly of the other large Busse knife tested.

I think for the thickness and Belly depth the #9 will do just fine.

A Great Knife.
 
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