Not amused by this knife's name

You all are way over sensitive! Laci Szabo was approached by a SURGEON who needed a intestine remover! Doctors & their supporting staff in OR get very confused in handling so many inappropriately named surgical instruments.
The physician had a Head Operating Nurse from SPAIN thus "El Saca Tripas".

JOHN
COLOBBFAN
GOD BLESS AMERICA
 
I don't worry about being "PC", but I must admit I am just plain embarassed by the names of some knives...I worry that someone is going to like one of my knives and ask me what model it is so that they can order one for themselves...

Now, I don't think I would be using the knife named in this thread for general utility, so my personal worry is not applicable, but it does sound "cheesy" to me. I would much prefer some acronym, or model number myself.

In fact, I would much prefer model numbers instead of names for all knives, or at least both. It seems like most knives these days only have "names", which does make it easier to remember, but it's getting pretty wild out there...

I'm not trying to be PC, but I also don't wanna look/feel like some wannabe either..
 
Originally posted by colobbfan
You all are way over sensitive! Laci Szabo was approached by a SURGEON who needed a intestine remover! Doctors & their supporting staff in OR get very confused in handling so many inappropriately named surgical instruments.
The physician had a Head Operating Nurse from SPAIN thus "El Saca Tripas".

JOHN
COLOBBFAN
GOD BLESS AMERICA
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And I'm sure it could to the job. :D Seriously, no one is questioning the quality of Szabo knives or Laci's integrity. There are other companies who market knives under outlandish names and I think this will be the case no matter where you are. All I can say is if you are brought before a judge and jury for an incident involving an outlandishly named blade, good luck.
 
The guy who makes the knife names the knife - period. It is not up to anyone else. I don't recall a thread from the maker asking if his name was OK with everyone. If you don't like it, buy one and rename it! What's with all the whining? :rolleyes:


Nice knife, by the way.

Jet
 
Jimmy, I agree with you in that the maker of the knife has the right to call it what he wants, but you miss the point. We already have enough liberal legislators out there trying to save humanity by taking our knife rights away. The last thing we need is for one of them to pick up a publication full of ads for outlandishly named knives. This is the fuel they thrive on. As a Canadian, you should know how that is. Before you know it, the knife becomes illegal to even own in your province.
 
I got a raft of knives here, ain't one of 'em a weapon. Call knives weapons all you want.... they are tools. I got a beautiful Franchi shotgun here too. Ain't a weapon either.

I'm not trying to be politically correct here at all. I'm talking total reality. Knives are tools. If you want to remove intestines, I suppose that would be the right TOOL for that application. But it is a tool nonetheless.
 
Everyone is getting their collective panties in a bunch talking about PC, "rights" to call it what you want, patriotic finger pointing and flag waving - enough.

The fact is, makers are HURTING our hobby by these types of product branding and marketing practices. I don't need a knife to be named "The Disembowler" to know that it is capable of doing just that, so why give products such provacative names & marketing campaigns? Some of you might know that the "assault weapon" bans are written to outlaw guns not only on their relative lethality (magazine capacity, etc.) but based on their military APPEARANCE (folding stock, bayonnet lug, pistol grip)! Someone tell me how a folding stock AR15 is more deadly than a fixed stock???

If we all don't WAKE the heck UP soon and stop nitpicking about our "rights" concerning our "legal" products, and realize that we do not live in the cocoon of BFC we live in a place called THE REAL WORLD, we will still be arguing online while are "rights" disappear and our products are no longer legal. :mad: We'll be reduced to talking about our knives in terms of "pre-ban" and "post-ban" blades, just like the gun community.

This week I have been feeling physically ill about the seemingly inexorable slippery slope we are now on, to the point that I cannot board a plane with a pair of tweezers or a safety pin - and the polls are showing a large majority of "Americans" are perfectly OK with these intrusions and loss of liberties. Like sheep to the slaughter.

I am not questioning any maker's skill, character, integrity, patriotism, or ability to kick my arse - but some provacative marketing practices that take no account of (or worse, thumb their noses at) public perception of the hobby and it's adherents are damaging to the all of us. If some of you want to call your EDC the "Folding De@th Machine", go right ahead, but I think it would benefit us all if the maker just called it the "Model 27" and left the rest to the imagination.
 
RH, well said. We don't need to add fuel to the fire, especially when now more than ever, our right to carry knives is on the line. Remember the Junglee ad: "Deadly on Demand" with the guy pulling out the knife from a shoulder harness? One of these liberal saviours of society gets there hands on this and before you know it, they'll be telling you cannot legally buy a knife like that. I don't want people telling me what I can and cannot own, but I'm not a law maker either. This is why we have to act in a responsible fashion to protect our knife rights.
 
To tell the truth I am getting really sick of all this PC crap myself. When I see people worrying about the name of Operation Infinite Justice because it will upset the Muslims, I want to break something.

As far as this knife is concerned I don't think that the name is really a problem. If one of the sheeple see this knife they are not going to stick around long enough to find out what it is called. If they see a picture of it they will be upset no matter what the name is. That knife looks like it is intended for one thing and one thing only, so the name is rather appropriate in my view. If it was called something less violent in nature it would still be viewed as a weapon and hated by those that want to get rid of knives all together. The only way to stop this would be to stop making knives of this type, not changing their names. That is something that I don't think should be done.

If you are saying that we should not make things worse by using names that upset people, you have a point. It is a point that I disagree with, but one that is certainly wide spread in the knife community right now. Don't stir the sh*t and maybe people will just ignore us and let things continue the way they are. Not likely. What we have to do is somehow show these people that they do not have to worry about knives when they are being carried by law abiding citizens. That is the task at hand and it is going to be difficult to achieve, but we have to try.
 
Originally posted by Safety Guy
I'm torn between trying to argue (with some of our more violent BF members) the validity of peaceful etymology and insisting upon the "domestic usefulness" of our cutting instruments and why we should be gently persistent in conveying our affection for these tools. Wouldn't you want someone to be tactful and politically correct so you won't give them the wrong idea? Why cause trouble? A peaceful image is paramount! Why can't we all just be SENSITIVE to others' world views?



But to be truthful, I would REALLY like to buy oneSHEEP BELLY SLITTERS COMPLETE WITH MATCHING T-SHIRT and send it to Chuck Shumer as a fukking token of my defiant sh!ttass appreciation!!!!

Respectfully yours,

Karl

EL SACA of these TRIPAS! :D
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You picked the best person you could have for that quote.
 
Judging by the picture, carrying this knife in Tex. would land someone in jail if caught with it.
 
Originally posted by el cid

Again, it's not the knife, it's the name. I'm sure the knife is well designed for it's purpose as defensive weapon, and I have no problems with that. What I do question is why use such a name? What is the need for such a name? I think the name you selected for your knife "Retribution" is a great name. It sends out the right idea for it's intended purpose. However, to call a knife "The Disemboweler" is in my opinion, poor taste.
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Get real.

If you are so displeased with the name, write Laci a letter, suggesting he change the name.

I fully support any knifemaker's right to name his knife whatever he/she wishes, as long as it's not infringing on any copyrighted material.

I personally like the name. It looks like it will do the job.

My suggestion to you, and any other bleeding heart liberals, is if you don't like it, ignore it, or contact the person responsible.
 
If you want to make a logical arguement with the hoplophobic liberals that seem so abound today, marching up to them with our BDU's, a belt of 7.62 rounds on our chest, an MIA, 1911, and the largest scariest knife we can find isn't necessarily going to help them to see our point. Granted, it would be gratifying to watch them mess themselves, and I'd probably giggle myself into a coma, But....in the long run it's not going to further our cause. (And yes, I do realize that there are many who are beyond reason and prefer to argue with emotion rather than logic)

I would not for one moment suggest NOT carrying whatever you can comfortably carry for concerns of not appearing to be touchy feely and sensitive, But....as you may have noticed wierd things happen in courtrooms. OJ Simpson got off free, Mc.Donalds was sued for millions because of hot coffee and pickles,etc. Theres lots of tales of people going to jail for simple acts of self-defense for one damning statement, using a politically incorrect weapon, as well as other insipid causes. The point of my mentioning this is that if I felt the need to carry a ptentially intimidating looking knife for self-defense, there are THOUSANDS of choices out there, and all other qualities of a knife being the same I would much rather carry a piece called "the Foo-Foo Fingernail Picker" than "THE BLACK AND DECKER PECKER WRECKER"
Going to court after using a weapon can be a hellaciously difficult process even under the must justified circumstances. and AFTER using said weapon for protection of myself and my family I would much rather go home and eat dinner after court than go to the slammer because some slick sh!t lawyer was able to pull some kinda of malicious intent crap out of his sleeve. I also wouldn't want to lose my lifes savings staying out of the slammer.

I certainly don't like these circumstances, but we have to deal with them in the best way possible. Eventually I know I'm going to p!ss off and offend some ill educated hoplophobic moron and when I do I WILL stand my ground and I WILL stand for what I believe in. To state things shortly, I believe the right to carry a knife and to protect ourselves is as fundamental and basic as the right to scratch our butts. (and on at LEAST an equal level of importance) Until that day comes though, I don't see any need to instigate trouble by marching around with violent T-shirts, a black knife O' death and a screw you all sneer. Yes, the bad guys will think twice about approaching you. So will the other 99% of the population that has no malicious intent.

As far as the knife and the moniker that started this thread I wouldn't take the guys right to name that knife whatever the hell he wants to for any reason in the world, call it the "Back Alley Abortion Special" or whatever for all I care. It's his knife, and his right. It's also my right to not purchase it.
 
Gee...I wonder what Bin Ladin uses to whip those idiots into a suicidal frenzy...

Women?
Drugs?
Cookies?

Face it....IT'S WORDS!

Words get things done, words MEAN things, that's how it WORKS!

We are creatures that can be taught, lead, swayed and talked into incredible stupidness..by WORDS.

Push the button that looks like a chimp in the upper left corner of this page for the 'words free' version of BF.


Steve-O
 
Individual responsibility for individual action rests with the individual.

Inanimate objects possess niether volition nor character. Their size, shape, weight, color, marketing strategy, and political correctness (or lack thereof) do not contribute to immoral, indecent, or illegal acts.

A knife, tool, keychain, paperweight, or lump of slag is nothing but metal. For best or worst results, first add human being.
 
I see your poin El Cid, and Jerry, I see yours. Here's my spin on things.

I recently wrote on a thread that I am going to read knife magazines on the bus in the open (not try to hide anymore), and I'm getting ready to carry a fixed blade, at least some of the time, instead of a folder. I used to hide and such, and up until last week I thought that was a great tactic. In times of peace, why not use PC terms and such to name/talk about knives. This way we could educate the public about knives on their own terms.

In light of recent events, we can no longer afford to do this. We need to assert our knife rights, fight for them, and educate the public in a more direct fashion. Hence, calling a knife "the disemboweler", or however it is spelled, when it is a fighting knife designed to do just that, is fine. The public must learn that knives can be used as tools and weapons, just as guns can. Now they just have to learn that a little faster.
 
el cid--you should change your name and avatar. A slick lawyer would look them up and twist them against you.
 
Face it guys, as of the 11th, this topic is a dead horse.

We are no longer allowed to carry nailclippers or tweezers on planes because Tangos used knives. Knives with the threatening name of...BOXCUTTER!! *shudder* Gives me chills just thinking about it.

Now, every time I see the name 'Stanley' I will more than likely wet my pants.
 
A rose by any other name would have pointy thorns just the same.

My favorite is the Spyderco Civilian; it's such a civilized knife. There's the Benchmade AFCK, which, officially, stands for Advanced Folding Camping Knife. I really wouldn't want to see you use one of those for anything except camping. And don't forget their new River Rescue knife. I don't want to see any of you with one of those except in the water.

Oh, and speaking of roses, when you get some time Jerry, I'd like you to make me a nice little rose pruning knife. I'm thinking about 27-29 inches overall... Here in Portland, our roses can get rather big.
 
I've seen some of the most respected knifemakers on the forum express the same sentiments. Sal Glesser, for one. Spyderco doesn't have ONE killer, SWAT name for a single knife. Can any of their products kill, maim, disembowel? Can any cut rope, seatbelts, help in a life & death situation? For self defense.
Can and are they used by good people? By evil people?
Damn straight! NO MATTER what a knife's name. A box cutter can kill. A Crossada, a Fighter, a Buck 110. A Outback steak knife. In the hands of Man they can be weapons. And they can be tools. Others in this thread have said virtually the same thing.

So shouldn't the anger be directed at the evil people who killed thousands?
Would the terrorists laugh at being called liberals, right wing fanatics, Supremicists? How about McVeigh? Would he laugh with glee that this crime happened? Would they not just as soon kill a Republican, Democrat, pregnant woman? Black, White, etc? Children? You? Me? Liberal, Conservative? kind of late to worry about categories now.

And I doubt anyone in the WTC or Pentagon buildings or field in Pa. or on the airplanes was the cause of so much hatred. Nor anyone with a different viewpoint on BF.

John
 
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