Not amused by this knife's name

Originally posted by el cid
Jimmy, I agree with you in that the maker of the knife has the right to call it what he wants, but you miss the point. We already have enough liberal legislators out there trying to save humanity by taking our knife rights away. The last thing we need is for one of them to pick up a publication full of ads for outlandishly named knives. This is the fuel they thrive on. As a Canadian, you should know how that is. Before you know it, the knife becomes illegal to even own in your province.
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No, I got your point, and in many ways agree with you. I don't think I would like a magazine full of names like Castrator or Life-Ending-Bitch-Cutter, but my point is that people have the right to express themselves as they see fit, whether or not I like it. Otherwise, it would be "FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN IT SERVES OUR PURPOSE".

BTW, in Canada we don't need mean names to make a knife impossible to own. In Winnipeg 5 years ago, police went to every outfitter/knife store and "removed" every Spyderco knife, because they deemed they could be flicked opened with one hand. Which is not illegal in Manitoba, by the way.

Jet
 
Originally posted by Dirk
If you do a little more checking, you will find this knife is based on a knife used in Mexico for gutting sheep. Thus, the English translation of disembowler. Does this mean that a skinning knife should no longer be called a skinning knife?
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This was the name of the mexican knife it was based on, this is expalined clearly on the websight, and as many have pointed out, this was designed AS A WEAPON. He's not going to call it the Martha Stewart Tactical Garden Tool (sorry, whoever I stole that from, Gollnick I think).
 
I'm sorry guys I find it silly that this mess got started in the first place. I can't belive that we're whining over a name of the knife. seriously if I used this knife in a defensive situation and went to court imagine the prosicuting attourny holding the knife up in it's little clear plastic baggy.
"is this the knife?"
yes sir
"what is the name of this knife?"
well **** I've been callin it frank for the last two weeks.

Are you out of your damn mind!?

can you seriously sit there and whine to me or any one else for that matter about the name of the knife? Tell me you think it looks evil, I can live with that. I'll think well **** he's got a point. Tell me you don't like the fact that it's got no utilitarian value and it's just a fighter meant to hurt someone. That I can understand. That's the sort of stuff that will hold up in court. but the name?
If Laci changes it to 'The fluffy bunny' will it make you feel better? (insert dripping sarcasim here)
 
One mans "crass" is another mans "cool". Eff everyone who gets upset over a name. The hand-wringing, bed wetting,candy a$$es don't want you to have any knives on you on the street, does not matter if the maker named it The Disemboweler, or The Fudge Packer, or whatever.A knife is a knife, and they can all cut you, stop genuflecting to the politically correct scum.
 
It is true that when you select a self-defense knife, you should consider the image projected by that knife, for if you end up in court it might be an issue. (I read a good article regarding handguns in this context once; imagine the difference to a jury between the Colt "Agent" and the Colt "Cobra.")

That said, let the manufacturers name the damned things any way they want. Vote with your wallet. If the Rambotron Decapitrax IV sets your PC-sensor a-bleepin', don't buy one. Certainly sending a letter to the maker in question wouldn't hurt, if you would like to see him alter his marketing practices for the sake of a more politically correct knife industry. But be respectful.

For pity's sake, don't act like the man spat on your grandma because he chose to give his knife a scary name.
 
Now, more than ever, we need to choose our words with more care. Yes, you should be able to name a knife anything you want. The sad truth of the matter is society in general will dictate what is acceptable. If you were forced to use a knife with a name like this defensively, what are the odds that the majority of the jury will be simpathetic towards knives? You may very well be screwed my friend.
To Jerry Hossum...I must disagree with your statement that knives are weopons and not tools. A knife is an inanimate object. As such it is harmless. Is a hammer or wrench a tool? What if it was used to beat somebody to death? Most anything can be used as a weopon. 9-11-01 proved this as innocent passenger jets were used as guided missiles. Let's face it, if a new jetliner were to come out with a name like "Tower Toppler", what would our reactions be?
If we continue to fly in the face of society, we will lose. Words can be and often are more poweful than actions.

Paul
 
Grrrrrr,

If I wanted the bad guy to go sit in the time out chair, I'd scream "Operation Infinate Justice" at him!

I tried the innocuous tool route for the last 45 years. That plan pretty much went to crap now didn't it?

THE most offensive name I can think of is:
Banned.
 
Just reading the name "EL SACA TRIPAS" I got scared and offended!! I didn't know what to do. What to do, what to do....Oh I know, I'll buy TWO. You got to be kidding me.
 
I'm sorry Mister Hossum but I just can't agree with your attitudes,

In case anyone cares... a weapon by literal definition is something USED as a weapon, not could potentially be used.
Lets talk about knives... most of us use them for cutting things, be it chip bags, ropes, boxes, deerhide, or whatever... most of us are also open to the possibility that one day we may also find ourselves using our knives to legally and rightfully protect ourselves.
A similiar thing can be said for guns, although I will admit that as far as everyday situations go, guns have much less uses besides personal defense. Don't get me wrong i'm not saying knives aint weapons and guns are, i'm a big gun fan, all the guns I own were bought for sporting applications (mostly target shooting and plinking, I don't hunt). Bear in mind also that some people do hunt, careful hunters can do a great deal for the species in any given area by picking off sick and lame animals, strengthening the group. Additionally alot of people think guns are carried for protection from other humans, sometimes that's true, but i've known many a farmer/woodsmen who carries a firearm for pest control.

What all this comes down to is you cannot run around calling every inanimate object that could be used as a weapon a weapon, it gives the wrong impression and if nothing else, is improper speech.
Guns, Knives, Sledgehammers, Baseball Bats, Chainsaws, Canes, Automobiles, Shoes, Forks, Spoons, Plates, Chairs, Desks, etc etc etc. are all potentially "dangerous" objects... but it's all in how YOU, the human uses them... when you give an inanimate object a name that you know could be threatening to others you have that right, but at the same time you must suffer the consequences, and most often the consequences can be a biased jury and/or general population, if you are willing to stand up to those consequences, fine, carry what you want to carry, name what you want to name, and do what you want to do, but when a jury convicts you because the prosecutor managed to convince them that you willingly carried a knife who's purpose and name were of malicious nature, DO NOT come crying to me.

"And that's all I have to say about that." - Forrest Gump
 
Originally posted by CODE 3


Get real.

If you are so displeased with the name, write Laci a letter, suggesting he change the name.

I fully support any knifemaker's right to name his knife whatever he/she wishes, as long as it's not infringing on any copyrighted material.

I personally like the name. It looks like it will do the job.

My suggestion to you, and any other bleeding heart liberals, is if you don't like it, ignore it, or contact the person responsible.
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CODE 3, I thank you and everyone else for their replies, however, you do not know me so how can you "assume" that I am a liberal? No, I am not a "bleeding heart liberal" in fact I am quite conservative, but I am also REALISTIC. In a perfect world, I wouldn't care what anyone called a knife, but look at the changing world around you and look at those you are wanting to wage a personal crusade to disarm law abiding citizens. You have people wanting to ban knives because they feel that there is no reason why anyone should need to carry one. This is why we need to act responsibly in order to secure your right to buy and own any knife you want. Is that what you call being liberal? I don't think so. I call it being real. Nevertheless, you may disagree with my view point, and that's fine, but I believe all the macho and outlandish names given to knives which serve only to boost our egos, can end up hurting our knife rights.
 
The greatest accomplishment of terrorism is not the physical death and destruction it caused, but the errosion of your God given freedoms and Constitutionally given rights as well as the unnecessary changes in your lifestyle and mindset because of it.

Politically Correct = sugar-coated = bull-sh*t!! Save the PC for the politicians.

As my good friend Chambers says, "Are you out of your damn mind?!"

This isn't the time for political correctness, this is the time to put the balls to the wall and kick some ass!!!

One should say, bye-bye to Mr. Nicey-Wicey and hello to Mr. Kick Ass and Take Names!!

What would happen to the PC person in a fight for life?

I bet the HEROES in those planes weren't being PC and serving Mr. Terrorist a beer...hell no they where kicking the sh*t outta him!!!

GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Nice design, questionable name. That is not a knife you want to get caught with in Mexico. The cops over there are very familiar with these types of knives. BTW, the originals were made with goat-horn handles and severely curved blades. I'll take two! ;)
 
If most of the American public sees that some planes were hijacked with 'knifelike' objects, then knifelike objects are bad and morally wrong, as well as the hijacking.

Don't ask me how this works, I don't know...but it works. People associate things with other things I guess...this is bsd..so that (associated thing) must be bad too.

Knives already have a bad reputation - gangs, rapists, terrorists etc - we are well on our way to making the knife a moral and ethical no-no as guns already are becoming. I hate to say it but, Billy Shakespeare was wrong, at least these days.

The 'Gargantuan Spine Splitter' will not be viewed the same as the 'Cute Cuticle Remover' in this culture for the forseeable future. (And by culture, I mean 'everyone'...the mass of people that decide what is 'moral' and 'ethical'.)

Good post el cid. :)


Steve-O
 
I try and stay away from the forums these days..BUT I recieved a call about this while I was out teaching our good guys how to stop the bad guys..Yes I was out @ FLETC..teaching the federal guys..

Many names, be they street, city or products over the years are known by the name coming from of the country of origin..I was just in El Paso..for example..lots of spanish names..all sound very cool..translate them and one goes..HUH? what kind of name is that..?In Florida we've got lots of Indian names..no idea what they mean..they're just names...Here its just a name... in this case its a tool..an edged tool that in its countries of use was named as it was ment to be used...
its a farm tool.

yes..I read the part about skinners..gut hooks etc..well said by the way!!!we use those names in our hunting & games knives without ANY problems or tightening of our bladders..

Many tools that Laci makes are based on the edged tools and weapons of other cultures..and Laci makes his versuion without all the PC stuff attached and uses the old names..
I'm sorry if the spanish translation is nasty sounding..
really..
Of all of you, I am the anal retentive on names... I'm the one who worries "what if we go to court?"
"what was the intent of the kknife maker in naming this tool?"

BUT Laci did not make up the name..its a traditional name..and in the country of origins..
it might be translated many ways..yes all involving stuff that basically gets to our equivilant of a simple gut hook..
Semantics is a very big poitical and emotional game..
its not WHAT we say but how we say it and with what words..

No one is going to hold Laci..not even the sheeple in this country
to task for using a traditional name for a knife..especially when said knife already existed..for many many years it gave good service to the people of the countries where it came from...
Will the average person who buys a Laci Szabo knife go to the trouble to find out if the translation or possible translations mean something that can be construed as bad? I doubt it..

Laci makes many knives that reflect the origin of their birth..
and he shows the respect that goes along with it by using the traditional names..names that to us are only a name...

Now if Laci had said I call this the Human disembowler..or the adomen splitter n intestine twirler..OK thats a touch un-PC..his right of course..BUT he didn't...
Yo..Jerry..good response..
Jerry understands from the point of a knife maker and hisemotions show!!
Glad hes on my side!!!!

The ones who call their edged tools extreme weapons..with whatever un-PC name they want? hey..OK give the sheeple something to target..BUT its their right..
and as Jerry said it depends on the markewt and how its said.


Its not my tool...with that name...ROFL..I only use Filipino names..


Laci is a bit ( read that ALOT!) patriotic..belives in his right to be taken as he is..products included... he is a veteran..He is a loyal and wonderful friend..
and at times so naive and believing in the system of the USA I can state equivically that he in no way ever thought that ANY discussion would EVER come up about the traditional names that he uses for his edged tools...and he NEVER ment offense to anyone..

I know.. I travel abroad with Laci.. I stay @ his house..

Nor would Laci EVER do anything to hurt the people of the USA, his friends, nor the knife world ..a world in which he so unselfishly gives to over and over again..

I am proud that Laci is my friend and Laci is a major force in the world of knives..designing, using and teaching..may he be so for mamy many years in the future!

This thread has seen its end I think....
 
Well.. I was going to post on this.. but honestally.. there are so many ignorant remarks here than dont even merrit a response ...its not even funny!!!

After typing an epic novel (twice)on why the majority of this thread is just so screwed up... it came to me that all it would do in add fuel to the fire!

Look..we are all here for a reason! KNIVES... various knives.. and we are all of the same cloth (a RED WHITE AND BLUE cloth i might add). We should be respectfull of each others opnions.. even if we dont agree, thats just maturity! Half the reason its so great to be American is we dont have to agree.. assuming we have the maturity to deal with the differences.. and to avoid the indifference! There seems to be alot if indifference here.. and that sadens me.
 
And on the next segment of the program, a dead thread is brought back to the top, like sand through the sandblaster, so are the Days of our Knives
 
I think it comes down to roles... if that szabo knife is only for military and such then who cares about the name.

but if you are joe blow on the street and accidently walk into an airport with it, you are in "serious trouble"

I didn't make the rules! Believe it or not it isn't only liberals making these harsh anti-knife laws! It is the majority of the people of the USA.

Do I believe if the passengers of those planes were allowed to carry self defense knives that would have saved them? HELL YEAH!

Do I wish we were allowed to walk around with swords on our hips? HELL YEAH!

But the fact is the government won't allow that, especially now right or left, liberal or conservative. No one is gonna let you carry a swiss army knife anywhere near airports, fed buildings and even greyhound bus stations.


you can yell all you want! The louder you yell, the more angry you look and more just people feel that someone who gets so angry shouldn't carry any knife.

we either tone ourselves down, or we don't and some ones tones us down.

I am for a little toning down at least for a little while till this paranoia blows over. I don't feel I can't express myself as a knife user in every way by the name of the knife or the type.










so though I love szabo knives and his designs I do think calling something the disembowler and selling it to the public presents a problem. I love the folding UKK , PBC, and so many others. he is truly an awesome designer.
 
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